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Boy Shot Dead by Police for Holding Toy Gun
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Joel
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- Noob616
Real nice replyI never expect anyone to agree to my opinion, so much for being different on the internet.
The point was that you're just using "it's my opinion" without offering much of substance to back it up.
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- Murica
- BasedAckbar
That looks like an airsoft gun, and they should have orange tips on them at all times. If you're that serious of a replica being true to the original, then carry it in a concealed bag when in public. That said, the cops could've just talked him down, and the boy should've listened.
A completely avoidable situation that went to Hell.
A completely avoidable situation that went to Hell.
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- GTP_Orido
What I would do needs substance to back it up ? Are we in an exam or a trial ? If I want to shoot someone in the leg, do I have to provide enough substance to allow me to have such opinion or decision ? Sorry, I don't make up my mind to others expectation. It's just what I would do in such situation, if someone else do the opposite, a fatal shot, do the substance comes into play ?
I won't pursue for affirmation for what I think or I would do, nor I feel the need to convince anyone to agree. Have a good day. I will just read on and enjoy from the sideline.
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- Zenith113
Wrong.
Metal pellets out of BB guns air capable of killing small rodents and birds. Airsoft guns are an entirely different category of machine.
Wrong.
There is a reason why all airsoft guns must have an orange tip. It is because they look extremely similar to the real thing. I'm a "gun enthusiast" and I'm telling you this. Listen to people who know more than you. Maybe you'll learn something instead of dancing around spewing all this "my special snowflake opinion" tripe. Here's the thing about your opinion; without evidence or similar qualifications your opinion is worthless.
But honestly, anyone who didn't have a brick instead of a brain would be able to tell you that an airsoft gun with the tip painted black looks like a real gun from 20 feet away.
They tried. Talking stops when you point what is believed to be an AK rifle at another human being.
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If you'd like to live through a gunfight, you'd actually pay attention and listen to people who know better.
If you were a cop with actual gun training, no, you would not aim for the legs. That would be like a doctor trying to resuscitate a patient by kicking them in the ribs. There's an off-chance it might work, but that kind of idiocy is sure to get you fired.
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- GTP_Orido
You are real man, Zenith, 👍 I admire your attitude Thanks again for the subtle insult. I would not waste my time explaining everything, so I'll be quick :
I can use metal .30 or .35 gram BB pellet on a high powered airsoft gun. People usually use metal pellets on air rifle ( different than air soft gun ). BB guns for me can be air rifle, air soft gun,pellet guns etc, as long as they use BB bullets ( 6mm ).
@Niky : I would take my chances 👍 with a kid, if it was an adult male, I would shoot at different location.
Thanks again for the subtle insult. I would not waste my time explaining everything, so I'll be quick : I can use metal .30 or .35 gram BB pellet on a high powered airsoft gun. People usually use metal pellets on air rifle ( different than air soft gun ). BB guns for me can be air rifle, air soft gun,pellet guns etc, as long as they use BB bullets ( 6mm ).
@Niky : I would take my chances 👍 with a kid, if it was an adult male, I would shoot at different location.
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- Cy-Fi
And then we'd be discussing why that police officer got shot because he fired a warning shot at a man with a rifle.
CAMAROBOY69
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The sherriff asked him twice to lower the gun, then the kid turned the gun toward the sheriff. Of course the kid is going to get shot. The sheriff was acting in self defense. Don't carry anything that resembles a gun and sure as heck don't turn it toward someone else. Especially not a police officer. I really thought this was common sense but I guess not.
For those that missed the picture. THIS was the gun the kid was holding and turned toward the sheriff after being asked twice to put the gun down. I have shot an AK 47 in real life and even I wasn't sure which gun was real at first glance. Would be much more difficult in a heated situation where yourself or your family is at risk.
This is my last post in here. Really nothing else for me to discuss at this point. This is all common sense and hopefully a learning lesson for other ignorant children.
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After the pics Camaroboy and I have posted in the last two pages, put yourself in the shoes of those police officers.
You have just called out to a youth, (age unknown at the time of the incident), he is carrying what looks like an AK-47 assault rifle.
You order him to drop the firearm, TWICE.
The youth then turns towards you with the rifle pointing in your direction.
Which one of these three is he holding? Which is real?
Would you expect a standard patrol officer to know the difference or wait to see if he shoots your partner first.
One is a plastic toy gun, one is an Airsoft replica, the other is VERY real.
How many of you honestly know the difference at first glance?
A-
B-
C-
Images have been resized, because the police officers could not ask for a closer inspection, and any web/advertising references removed. The answers are not in the pics names.
You have just called out to a youth, (age unknown at the time of the incident), he is carrying what looks like an AK-47 assault rifle.
You order him to drop the firearm, TWICE.
The youth then turns towards you with the rifle pointing in your direction.
Which one of these three is he holding? Which is real?
Would you expect a standard patrol officer to know the difference or wait to see if he shoots your partner first.
One is a plastic toy gun, one is an Airsoft replica, the other is VERY real.
How many of you honestly know the difference at first glance?
A-
B-
C-
Images have been resized, because the police officers could not ask for a closer inspection, and any web/advertising references removed. The answers are not in the pics names.
David
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Or we'd be discussing the lawsuit where the parents and kid are suing the crap out of the police officer/department for shooting to impair (Not that they wont be suing here shortly anyway but they'd have a much stronger case). If you purposefully shoot for the legs or some other such silliness then the argument will be made that your life clearly wasn't in mortal danger and therefor your use of force was unjustified. Police officers are trained with a clear doctrine on this kind of stuff. A lethal threat will be met with lethal force.
This is the same reason why Joe Biden's shotgun warning shot quotes were so stupid. Firing a warning shot is illegal even in home defense. If you don't need to kill the person to survive, you don't need to shoot at all.
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Which is why they would never put you on the street as a police officer to make that choice.
I'm a "gun enthusiast" who works in a store that sells actual guns and airsoft guns and once asked to pull one of the latter out of the display case to compare, and they are a hell of a lot closer these days than they used to be last time I had one.
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I highly doubt you could hit either of them anywhere.
Do you actually know how hard it is to hit a stationary target, let alone a moving one?
Plus handguns begin to get wildly inaccurate as the range increases.
Shame about the kid, but there wasn't a whole lot that could be done at that point.
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- a6m5zero
Just look at this pic. Cops did give the kid a chance when they told him to drop it. If you are too stupid to listen to a cop in this situation, guns drawn or not, you are asking for whatever that might happen to you next.Now look at the pic below.... Which is real? because the other is a 'Toy'
I echo other guys on taking cover behind a car, also shooting the kid in the leg. I would not trust sheet metal on cars to shield me from AK rounds, and on the leg thing, in a situation that you could lose your life in the very next second, why turn a layup into a three pointer? Do I feel lucky? Why would I do that? I already gave him the chance to drop the gun.
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- HamiltonMP427
Not sure why anyone would argue Zenith since he really does know his guns, then again I'm not sure why anyone on the opposing side of Zenith about guns do what they do in general threads about guns. Word of advice go to the real guns thread see who actually contributes there and then decide if you want to be the opposition in a thread like this, if you still wish to don't be surprised if your ignorance is exposed.
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- liampage123
Don't really know what to say, I feel bad, but I also question why the police were not more observant to see that the gun was a toy. I also question the parenting skills. The kid should know that when a police officer tell you to do something, you do it.
This could have been easily avoided if the kid dropped the "weapon". IMO
This could have been easily avoided if the kid dropped the "weapon". IMO
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- HamiltonMP427
Once again, you can't tell a good replica from a real one. So not sure why you're playing devil's advocate or being PC. Police officers are human and until more is known I blame the parent's and their teaching skills. Sad but reality.
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From a distance you cannot accurately determine the validity (real or replica) of such a firearm.
I too pose questions to the parents involved for letting their child out with such a piece. In their mind, it must be alright to let Junior walk the streets with an AK-47 replica. Especially the way this country is on guns anymore.
This is a well established fact.
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- a6m5zero
I'm not too caught up on the kid getting walking around with a realistic toy gun. Parents can't monitor kids 24/7. It's the upbringing, or attitude of the kid to defy a police officer telling him to drop what he believed was a firearm. Just unbelievably foolish.
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- Crash852
A sad story, but unfortunately the police had no choice. In such a potentially lethal situation, it was met with lethal force.
Read Jay's post, and tell me which one is real, airsoft, or merely a toy.
Now look at that and tell me which one is real, airsoft or merely a toy, when you have it pointing at you, 30 feet away.
Read Jay's post, and tell me which one is real, airsoft, or merely a toy.
Now look at that and tell me which one is real, airsoft or merely a toy, when you have it pointing at you, 30 feet away.
BobK
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I read an article (which I cannot find now; it was on Yahoo and they cycle the stories too fast sometimes) they said ten seconds passed between the cops first spotting the kid and them notifying the dispatcher that shots had been fired. In that time eight shots were fired (seven hitting the target, two of which were lethal). I'd like to know more about what really happened here. In this compressed time frame, was the kid merely carrying the piece at port arms and turning towards whoever was shouting at him, or was he in fact actually raising the gun to his shoulder?
I'd still like to know more about the incident before making any judgement on it.
I'd still like to know more about the incident before making any judgement on it.
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^ Figures. From the video, a witness said the police showed up and shot him immediately and from the article someone else says
That's why you can't trust "witnesses". Sometimes they have agendas, or in the heat of the moment simply don't accurately recall exactly what happened.
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And a police officer was supposed to know the difference in the split second that all that happened? With all of the adrenaline and fear pumping? Good luck with that. I can hardly tell the difference between those three while staring at those three for a minute, so I can't imagine how impossible it would be to tell which one it was in the few seconds that all of that happened.
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