◆ SNAIL [DriveTrain Challenge - DTC] Racing - Closed

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Some time ago I was working with an idea for the main SNAIL thread about Rep points. A Rep Score would be an indicator of your Reputation within the DTC. This is what I originally wrote about the idea with a few edits to take in to account the DTC.

More than anything we want you to have fun while racing in the club. To this end we value good race craft and work hard to reward it. We take time to rank our fellow drivers race craft on a regular basis. Each driver has a score between 1-5. Five is the unattainable goal of being perfect we all strive for. We all start with a score of 3. This score represents a driver who races clean and shows good race craft. Mistakes may happen but they are the exception not the rule at this level. A score above that shows exceptional race craft and respect of fellow drivers. A score below that shows poor race craft and a driver who needs to improve and likely show more respect to their fellow drivers.

The league likes to reward fast clean drivers with rewards. One of the biggest is to be able to choose next weeks PP/Qualifying track. In order to be eligible for a prize the driver must be in good standing in the club by having a REP of 2.75 or more. Below that and you will not be eligible to win the prizes.

The league also likes to discourage bad race craft. To this end if a drivers REP is 2.25 or less they will no longer be able to score points during the events. At this point the focus of a driver with a REP under 2.25 should be first and foremost improving their race craft. Wining races and scoring points must come second to improving race craft. If a drivers score drops below 1.75 they will no longer be able to race in the events. They will be able to attend any impromptu practice that happens. Their focus at this point must be to show there fellow drivers that they are in fact able and willing to race cleanly and regain the respect of there fellow drivers. Once their score improves they will be allowed to race again.

Anytime three or more members of the club are on track together they can submit a REP to the PTB (PM to Joby). In order to submit a score you must be a club member in good standing. This means that your REP must be above 2.25.

As a guide to how to score your fellow drivers this is the guideline
5 - The driver showed exceptionally clean racing during multiple laps of close racing with you. Passes were clean and total trust could be placed in their actions
4 - The driver showed excellent race craft during some close give and take racing. You may only have been around them for a few sections of the lap but all their actions demonstrated good race craft.
3 - The driver exhibited good race craft while passing or being passed by you. You may not have had much time racing this driver but his driving and behavior illustrated good race craft.
2 - The driver showed lack of good race craft resulting in a collision that effected position on the track or perhaps multiple incidents that did not cause position changes but that could have been avoidable. If position were effected and on track concession was not given this should be accompanied by a formal complaint.
1 - The driver showed exceptional lack of good race craft resulting in collisions that caused significant loss of position or multiple smaller collisions that caused position changes. These events should be accompanied by a formal complaint.
0 - The driver has taken action that is totally inappropriate whether on track, over chat or in the forums (reporting at this level should include a complaint and evidence or witnesses to the incident)

This is just an idea but I would like you all to think about it. I would suggest that each week after the event everyone sends me a report card for the drivers that took part.

Let me know what you all think.
 
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Nice grab.

Average line-up:
FF - DC5 RM 484pp
4WD - Corolla Rally Car 487pp
MR - Lotus Esprit V8 489pp
FR - Opera 350Z '04 491pp

Rally Car line-up:
FF - Xsara 481pp
4WD - Escort 480pp
MR - Stratos Rally ?
FR - Whatever fits
 
Ideas, ideas, ideas... I have two good ideas:
1. We should have a second night. Once a week is definitely not enough.
2. We should be able to add some sugar to the pp cap selection like... no race cars or cars before 1980 or even cars from the 60's only. Not in a regular basis of course but once in a while would be cool something like that.

... like if both ideas just suck :D
 
I would agree with Schmiggz. We just can't figure out what day and time. Also trying to figure out a good time for the West Coast guys to race with us too.

I could go for a Friday night...?
 
I did some Tokyo testing and I gotta say that damn HSC will be hard to beat. It's as stable as anything, fast, and it corners nearly as well as a race car. So I'm not going to try :) Although I found a couple of cars that will hang within a half second or so at lower PP.

I have a really awesome well rounded lineup sorted out. Probably won't win many races but I'll be near the top consistently. I'm not using any game busters but they all perform reasonably well pretty much anywhere.

If you guys do a second night, I will be hit and miss. Definitely no Fridays for me. But any other weekday might work sporadically. So you'd need a consistent host for the alternate night.
 
Well, if a second night means no Joe and Koszak, just forget it.
The car I will use in tokio will pull up a good fight to those HSC's.
 
I was testing the BMW M4 and I was at 1:50.7XX in the couple laps I did. I'm not sure what the HSC does but the M4 has 13 more PP.

@jobyone
When you get a chance can you move over the scoring sheet for Tuesday and I also noticed that the Ford Escort Rally car is listed as FR instead of 4WD. I didn't want to change it for fear of deleting the entire file. Also the Impreza GT300 Base Model is listed as FR but that is 4WD as well. Thanks.
 
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I was testing the BMW M4 and I was at 1:50.7XX in the couple laps I did. I'm not sure what the HSC does but the M4 has 13 more PP.

@jobyone
When you get a chance can you move over the scoring sheet for Tuesday and I also noticed that the Ford Escort Rally car is listed as FR instead of 4WD. I didn't want to change it for fear of deleting the entire file. Also the Impreza GT300 Base Model is listed as FR but that is 4WD as well. Thanks.
Fixed I think
 
Street cars only:
FF - Trial Celica 467pp
FR - Mustang Boss '13 508pp
MR - NSX Type R '92
4WD - DN-X Concept '02 505pp
 
So... after around 30 laps in Tokio with several cars, I came to the conclusion that whoever brings the HSC here is definitely the main contender here as I did easy 1.48.252 with a nice 260 km/h top speed at the breaking point on the main straight. But the car I'm bringing in gave me a very conforting 1.49.002 meaning that with some patient driving and being able to keep close, I can wait for the tires in the HSC start complaining andmake the move... Let's see what happens.
 
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I feel like making a crazy line-up this week. Something with muscle cars or other weird things I never use.

Prius TC? Sure why not!
 
I was testing the BMW M4 and I was at 1:50.7XX in the couple laps I did. I'm not sure what the HSC does but the M4 has 13 more PP.

I gotta be honest about the HSC's...they are not able to run a lap slower than 1:50.0. Me and carb gave them a shakedown, and we were running 1:48's from the first lap on cold tires. Damn cars basically drive themselves.

ALTHOUGH I don't see 10 HSC's in the first race, I could see 3 in every race. Wouldn't it be funny if HSC's won every race ? I think it's completely possible. I don't even think it matters what tracks get picked, HSC is such an all rounder.

Respect for anyone who doesn't choose them though (and finishes ahead of at least one HSC).

PS: Prius TC is totally a muscle car, 88 (wordplay fun)
 
The Prius TC will have its day...

In other news, who thinks i should try to convince the wife to try and snag this?

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1999 Formula 6-speed :mischievous:
 
I gotta be honest about the HSC's...they are not able to run a lap slower than 1:50.0. Me and carb gave them a shakedown, and we were running 1:48's from the first lap on cold tires. Damn cars basically drive themselves.

ALTHOUGH I don't see 10 HSC's in the first race, I could see 3 in every race. Wouldn't it be funny if HSC's won every race ? I think it's completely possible. I don't even think it matters what tracks get picked, HSC is such an all rounder.

Respect for anyone who doesn't choose them though (and finishes ahead of at least one HSC).

PS: Prius TC is totally a muscle car, 88 (wordplay fun)
I have always wanted to implement a PP adjustment when cars are run by multiple users in the same night or race. Each time it happens the PP is increased by the number of cars over 2 that run in a night or more than 1 in the same race. This way the "obvious/best" choice begins to have its PP adjusted to the point when it no longer holds an advantage.

So if the car is picked by 3 people in an evening its PP is increased by 1. If 5 people pick it then it increases by 3. Or if three people race it in one race it would increase by 2. The only exception would be when there are not enough cars in the PP spread (such as FF's at high PP's and MR's at low pp) to provide significant choices.

It would allow us to equalize the PP of some cars that have a clear advantage and also promote variety such as using silly muscle cars;)
 
You could do something simple like, if you use the HSC your not allowed to qualify. You must start from the rear of the field..I guess that would only work for race #1 though.
 
HSC is a car available to everyone a should be treated as so. We have 2 options... put it in the line up or not. One thing is for sure, no one will use it in 2 races.
 
Well I am not using it.

It is way too good for it's PP though. It should be around 515-520. I have tested a ton of cars at Tokyo and only one or two under 512pp will get a time at or below the HSC. But hey, I've got two good cars I can get very near it that I am going to have to choose from. I won't win but I think I can get catch up in the twisties and hopefully tuck in the draft on the straights.
 
Well I am not using it.

It is way too good for it's PP though. It should be around 515-520. I have tested a ton of cars at Tokyo and only one or two under 512pp will get a time at or below the HSC. But hey, I've got two good cars I can get very near it that I am going to have to choose from. I won't win but I think I can get catch up in the twisties and hopefully tuck in the draft on the straights.
Yup, that's what I'm hoping for. I will drive an AWD with awesome breaks and handling although the top speed is way below the Acura/Honda. Draft will have to happen.
 
Sitting here watching the NFL Network listening to them talking about the draft gave me an idea. 💡
We should all get together one night (Monday Night) and have a draft. The last place guy gets to go first. He picks a car and that car is dead or gone. The the next guy picks a car and so on.
That would be cool...:cool:
 
If I ever win a night, which I doubt, would I be able to choose the pp cap and specific kind of cars like 70's cars only? That would be a different show for sure
 
Sitting here watching the NFL Network listening to them talking about the draft gave me an idea. 💡
We should all get together one night (Monday Night) and have a draft. The last place guy gets to go first. He picks a car and that car is dead or gone. The the next guy picks a car and so on.
That would be cool...:cool:
That was my original idea for this series:)
 
I'm super new to this series, but another thought would be for everyone to run the drivetrains in a specific order. Like the first race everyone run FF then 4W 2nd race/etc. Just a thought.
 
I'm super new to this series, but another thought would be for everyone to run the drivetrains in a specific order. Like the first race everyone run FF then 4W 2nd race/etc. Just a thought.

That has been discussed before. The idea to run the cars in order of PP from high to low or low to high has also been mentioned. The discussions have never gained much traction as far as I know. The reasoning behind going in order of pp was to try and make all the races closer from front to back but I think it has been determined that the wide level of speed among the drivers would make it a wash in the end and would take away some of the freedom and strategy that goes into choosing a line up.

I wouldn't know about the strategy in a line up. When I do get the chance to race, I throw a line up together in about 10 minutes and go racing.

It never hurts to throw an idea out there because you never know what may gain traction and take off.
 
I love hearing ideas! What might be helpful is if everyone posted 2-3 things they like about the series and 1-2 that they do not.

Likes
1. Variety of cars you can use and get to choose
2. Strategy of car choices and when to run them
3. racing against faster drivers in slow cars of slower drivers in fast cars

Dislikes
1. Time no longer works for me
2. Seeing 2 or 3 of the same car on track
 
If I ever win a night, which I doubt, would I be able to choose the pp cap and specific kind of cars like 70's cars only? That would be a different show for sure
Schmiggz,

The problem with doing a 70's race (or other such themes) is how much it can limit the cars that can be chosen. It ends up being a bit like FF's when the PP is up around 2000. How many 4wd cars were around in the 70's?
 
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