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[Chiochan]

I'll file a complaint if, what someone or myself did was in violation of the OLR, or was particularly upsetting to me. It doesn't matter who they are, if they met one of those I will file.

 

[Apmaddock]

If it's a guy I know well and know as a clean racer I'll often talk to him about it first. If he seems aware and/or genuinely apologizes I'll likely leave it be. Sometimes accidents happen and typically the "good guys" know it happened and are sorry for it.

 

[Drgreenthumb977]

Do you think that it would be easier to report a racing incident if the whole process were anonymous? I wish that we could do it like F1 does (announcing an investigation into an incident and then announcing any penalties) but that would mean watching every race from (nearly) every point of view.

Yea dabneyd , but in the other side much racers will getting upset to dont know who's complaints(lol). I think its a new era of complaint I talking about and we have to be careful with that. Imagine if all the complaints didn't came up for tolerance by a friendship since . To others racers on the track was with them, its unfair because that incident made much racers in a bad climat and this racers won't complaining about what they saw.

 

[Drgreenthumb977]

I'll file a complaint if, what someone or myself did was in violation of the OLR, or was particularly upsetting to me. It doesn't matter who they are, if they met one of those I will file.

And if you race with him since a longtime(3 month) and you get a incident with him?

 

[LondonDTM]

Is practice at 9:30 or 10? Sorry I forget...

 

[Drgreenthumb977]

If it's a guy I know well and know as a clean racer I'll often talk to him about it first. If he seems aware and/or genuinely apologizes I'll likely leave it be. Sometimes accidents happen and typically the "good guys" know it happened and are sorry for it.

Here come the unfair side, the others racers on the track maybe was unconfortable with what happened (slowed very much and lost his opportunity to get a good race).

 

[Handlebar]

If it is someone I've raced with often, and the action is uncharacteristic/atypical, and it only affected me, then I wouldn't likely file.

If the incident affected the clean racing experience for others (esp. new racers in D5), or it seems to be a pattern of behavior that needs a nudge in a more positive direction, I'd likely file. I do try to think of D5 as our "welcome to SNAIL" division and I hope that we are putting our best racecraft foot forward.

If the incident involved my best buddy, I don't think the choice to file or not is really affected - either the incident happens regularly (file) or not regularly (maybe?). If I am the problem in the incident, then I'll file against myself, whether the other guy is new or a regular.

 

[Drgreenthumb977]

I really think a favoritism live here in that league and we have to be hard on the rules. Maybe a complaint comming for me but its a part of this league. We have to be careful with all the racers and not just the front racer.

 

[Handlebar]

DrGreen,

PM me with the evidence to support that, please.

The only favortism I try to show is to clean racing, front or back of the pack makes no difference.

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

I really think a favoritism live here in that league and we have to be hard on the rules. Maybe a complaint comming for me but its a part of this league. We have to be careful with all the racers and not just the front racer.

Usually complaints are filed against racers in the back, and not front, as the guys in the back will attempt risky moves to gain position, or overdrive the car and cause an accident (guilty).

Anyway, Drgreenthumb977, you have proved to be a very good driver and if anything, you might be on the "favorite" list.

 

[Apmaddock]

Here come the unfair side, the others racers on the track maybe was unconfortable with what happened (slowed very much and lost his opportunity to get a good race).

Ah, well if others were caught up in it it's a different story…and of course they could file a complaint, also.

 

[LondonDTM]

Why is there almost never any talk about racing, cars, or technique in here???

can some please just tell me when practice is?

 

[TEX36]

Is practice at 9:30 or 10? Sorry I forget...

Am pretty sure the Wed practice session starts at 10 ET.
Going to D-1 for some practice now ........ Anyone care to join?

 

[DrKronin]

I really think a favoritism live here in that league and we have to be hard on the rules. Maybe a complaint comming for me but its a part of this league. We have to be careful with all the racers and not just the front racer.

Every one of us develops bias toward the drivers we race with. Probably all of us like some drivers better than others. I strongly disagree with the word "favoritism" though. Most of us are fair people, and try to account for those biases when deciding whether or not to file a complaint/inquiry.

If you're in doubt, I suggest filing. From the complaints I've seen as a steward, a few things stand out as parts of a good complaint, if you want to avoid offending someone you like and respect:

• This should be obvious, but be polite. As annoying as they can be when overused, some of the more light-hearted emoticons can help prevent your words being interpreted as harsher than you intend. 👍
• Start and/or end the complaint with a compliment. It helps to remind the other driver that you don't think they're dirty, but maybe you think this one incident was a bit out of character for them.
• Use a neutral tone. Maybe you're unsure how the stewards might rule on something, or how the rules apply in a certain situation. Say so. A complaint doesn't have to be an accusation. People sometimes ask us to just look at something that happened, without telling us who they think is at fault. This is fine.
• If warranted, point out anything you think might be an argument in their favor. For example, "Driver A got into it with Driver B, and then hit me" could be supplemented with "though I don't see it this way, perhaps the collision with Driver B made it impossible for Driver A to avoid me."

If you approach it with politeness and humility and the other driver still takes it personally (and in my experience, they almost never do), that's their problem.

 

[Drgreenthumb977]

If it is someone I've raced with often, and the action is uncharacteristic/atypical, and it only affected me, then I wouldn't likely file.

If the incident affected the clean racing experience for others (esp. new racers in D5), or it seems to be a pattern of behavior that needs a nudge in a more positive direction, I'd likely file. I do try to think of D5 as our "welcome to SNAIL" division and I hope that we are putting our best racecraft foot forward.

If the incident involved my best buddy, I don't think the choice to file or not is really affected - either the incident happens regularly (file) or not regularly (maybe?). If I am the problem in the incident, then I'll file against myself, whether the other guy is new or a regular.

Thats a good way to file complaints t:up

 

[Handlebar]

Am pretty sure the Wed practice session starts at 10 ET.
Going to D-1 for some practice now ........ Anyone care to join?

Be along in a moment, Tex!

 

[Drgreenthumb977]

Usually complaints are filed against racers in the back, and not front, as the guys in the back will attempt risky moves to gain position, or overdrive the car and cause an accident (guilty).

Anyway, Drgreenthumb977, you have proved to be a very good driver and if anything, you might be on the "favorite" list.

Haha Joe tnank you for the compliment. But now I will complaint my own errors and not wait to see if someone put a complaint on me. I will ask the steward if I didn't race with the ORL carefully and not get dirty this league for my own .

 

[Drgreenthumb977]

DrGreen,

PM me with the evidence to support that, please.

The only favortism I try to show is to clean racing, front or back of the pack makes no difference.

Sorry for that word, the answers of all made me think not. Im happy to see there had not favoritism here.

 

[Drgreenthumb977]

Every one of us develops bias toward the drivers we race with. Probably all of us like some drivers better than others. I strongly disagree with the word "favoritism" though. Most of us are fair people, and try to account for those biases when deciding whether or not to file a complaint/inquiry.

If you're in doubt, I suggest filing. From the complaints I've seen as a steward, a few things stand out as parts of a good complaint, if you want to avoid offending someone you like and respect:


[*]This should be obvious, but be polite. As annoying as they can be when overused, some of the more light-hearted emoticons can help prevent your words being interpreted as harsher than you intend. 👍
[*]Start and/or end the complaint with a compliment. It helps to remind the other driver that you don't think they're dirty, but maybe you think this one incident was a bit out of character for them.
[*]Use a neutral tone. Maybe you're unsure how the stewards might rule on something, or how the rules apply in a certain situation. Say so. A complaint doesn't have to be an accusation. People sometimes ask us to just look at something that happened, without telling us who they think is at fault. This is fine.
[*]If warranted, point out anything you think might be an argument in their favor. For example, "Driver A got into it with Driver B, and then hit me" could be supplemented with "though I don't see it this way, perhaps the collision with Driver B made it impossible for Driver A to avoid me."


If you approach it with politeness and humility and the other driver still takes it personally (and in my experience, they almost never do), that's their problem.

The gentlemen's way by DrKronin. t:up.

 

[OwensRacing]

Anyone getting the maintenance notice?


Oddly enough. My two outside monitor PS3's sign in fine. My main one says maintenance.

Very strange.

 

[Drgreenthumb977]

Anyone getting the maintenance notice?

Oddly enough. My two outside monitor PS3's sign in fine. My main one says maintenance.

Very strange.

Last nite at 12h30 am the server shut down . He was not able to connect.

 

[the2armedmen]

For return to the complaints subject. File a complaint become very hard for much people to do when they got so much respect for each others. Sometimes you heart say no. Lol . I would like to know how I can deal with that and how you deal with that.

my rule of thumb is if i lose a position because of an incident and they dont let me reclaim, or someone is divebombing all the time, its deserving of a penalty. that and dont look at it as complaining about a friend. look from the viewpoint of we are all peers and equivalent when race time comes, no one more virtuous or acceptable than another

 

[Drgreenthumb977]

my rule of thumb is if i lose a position because of an incident and they dont let me reclaim, or someone is divebombing all the time, its deserving of a penalty. that and dont look at it as complaining about a friend. look from the viewpoint of we are all peers and equivalent when race time comes, no one more virtuous or acceptable than another

You are right! Its the way of fairness. The stewards have works to and our neither.t:up

 

[Schmiggz]

I never made a race complain and i got hit big time before but it really has to knock me out track or a really dirty dive bomb to do so.
I'm the forgiving type of guy that believes that complaining for little bumps creates useless friction among us.
Sometimes it feels that some people want more prefection here than what happens in real life racing.
I don't know how many of you follow the british touring car championship (BTCC) series on tv but those races are tight as hell and there's a huge amount of contact. Can you imagine if all those contacts represent a race complaint? there would be over 50 by race!
But i know how it is here and i fully respect the rules but i think some people should lighten up.

 

[Luv2Coach]

I never made a race complain and i got hit big time before but it really has to knock me out track or a really dirty dive bomb to do so.
I'm the forgiving type of guy that believes that complaining for little bumps creates useless friction among us.
Sometimes it feels that some people want more prefection here than what happens in real life racing.
I don't know how many of you follow the british touring car championship (BTCC) series on tv but those races are tight as hell and there's a huge amount of contact. Can you imagine if all those contacts represent a race complaint? there would be over 50 by race!
But i know how it is here and i fully respect the rules but i think some people should lighten up.

👍
I think it has gotten better...

 

[Rallywagon]

Could you imagine how busy the stewards would be if Jason Plato raced here!

 

[zer05ive]

Every one of us develops bias toward the drivers we race with. Probably all of us like some drivers better than others. I strongly disagree with the word "favoritism" though. Most of us are fair people, and try to account for those biases when deciding whether or not to file a complaint/inquiry.

If you're in doubt, I suggest filing. From the complaints I've seen as a steward, a few things stand out as parts of a good complaint, if you want to avoid offending someone you like and respect:

• This should be obvious, but be polite. As annoying as they can be when overused, some of the more light-hearted emoticons can help prevent your words being interpreted as harsher than you intend. 👍
• Start and/or end the complaint with a compliment. It helps to remind the other driver that you don't think they're dirty, but maybe you think this one incident was a bit out of character for them.
• Use a neutral tone. Maybe you're unsure how the stewards might rule on something, or how the rules apply in a certain situation. Say so. A complaint doesn't have to be an accusation. People sometimes ask us to just look at something that happened, without telling us who they think is at fault. This is fine.
• If warranted, point out anything you think might be an argument in their favor. For example, "Driver A got into it with Driver B, and then hit me" could be supplemented with "though I don't see it this way, perhaps the collision with Driver B made it impossible for Driver A to avoid me."

If you approach it with politeness and humility and the other driver still takes it personally (and in my experience, they almost never do), that's their problem.

stickied!

 

[OwensRacing]

Thought I'd share something I made for my youngest -

Two pieces-

A sweet SNAIL cut sign would be cool. Hint hint Zero.

 

[pyxen]

Anyhoo, back to Sunday night... Most likely the best (and weirdest) night I have had in SNAIL so far. I collected my 4th career win and my first pole!! To top that off, I came in second overall and missed my first overall win by a mere 10 points... (Pyxen!!) I have to say, it was an exceptionally cool night of racing! I am so fired up for next week... I just need to learn how to set up passes better. All in good time. I am still learning.

Yeah....how the hell did we end up together so much?? It's like you were avoiding me at Deep Forest for some reason.

I've gone back and forth thru the replays, and I don't think I did anything wrong..wasn't trying to push thru on that tight right turn, I was just a little quicker, and each time you seemed to turn in, right when I was at the sweet spot. I was even braking for that turn earlier usually...so all in all, very unfortunate, especially the 2nd race, where we both gave up great positions.

You had a great night - 2nd is an excellent result, and I think it would have been 1st, had we not been so magnetic at the Cape.

 

[Wolfsatz]

Skills.. can you confirm that you will be hosting Red Room tonight?