1.06 update coming april 7th!
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While useless to the majority, look at it this way. It's quite cool to see something like this... and the fact it's even possible to exist, it's an innovative step. Maybe this type technology/data logging will flourish as the years pass and the tech goes across the brands line, or even branches out to others.
I'm sure 1.06 will, hopefully, offer something else. Because it's the headline of the update doesn't mean it is. They've been pulling for this tech for years now. Or everywhere else but the Japanese will receive nothing. If so it doesn't matter.
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- Nigel Fox
As funny as this sounds, this is exactly where I'm at in regard to these updates. "I'm sure hopeful."
Putting this technology to good use may be as difficult as coming up with that quantum leap in sound recreation, but I don't know. Only Lawndart is familiar with it, as he built his own app. But the ball is in PD's court because they decided to pursue this and make a big deal out of it. And as we proponents have been saying, the possibilities for good things to come are there. They just have to use their noodles to make the most of this new tech.
I know that there's the matter of what PD are working on - which we know little or nothing about - and how each project is pushing off something else we might want more. Prologue, not to mention GT7 itself, might be doing a lot of pushing. But I have faith in these guys because they're determined to drive Gran Turismo forward in the 21st Century, and the Visualizer is the most prominent evidence of it. I also choose to believe that Kaz wouldn't abandon his latest baby, GT6, without some arm twisting from SONY. And I don't think he'll abandon it completely, as we're getting this rather serious work now rather than in GT7 on PS4, where it could probably work better and more capably. At the least, I expect GT6 to be embellished as much as GT5, if not more.
Kaz is a pragmatic company guy, and he'll give us what he can within the restrictions he has to work with. Whatever he and his team do is going to benefit Gran Turismo and our experiences in the long run. How that manifests, as with all things GT, we'll see.
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How are people actually getting behind this. Only paid "yes men" (employees) would steer people to think this is best. Right now, this is the LAST thing Gran Turismo needs. Let me get this right.....
GPS Visualiser
In a future update, we will add the GPS Visualiser. This is a feature that allows YOU to import Controller Area Network (CAN), used to regulate automobile systems, and GPS coordinate data from a real life car into Gran Turismo 6, and visualise the data as a replay in the game. The feature is planned to be compatible with the Toyota Motor Corporation’s CAN-Gateway ECU.
It says right there YOU, YOU, YOU not THEM, THEM, THEM. It does not say “owner’s of a special race car only in Japan, initially on tracks only in Japan”. If we go by the Sony/PD calendar, the kids in year 21xx MIGHT get to try it. I’m still waiting for the teased track details, not actual track but details from January/February. How is this so hard to understand.
Let me ask those who will it seems will take a bullet for Kaz to defend this or anyone... When you first read this back in December BEFORE release (you know doing your homework before purchase), what did you think it meant. I can tell you what I thought... I’m gonna plop my butt in an affordable Toyota car like Jordan did at Willow Springs, but any real life track in the game at that time (notice no asterisk saying only Japan), do some laps, go home, upload MY data and race/watch myself like Jordan did. Anyone with integrity will answer this the only way possible, “yep, it’s kind of misleading” or some variation.
This is a clear case of Minority > Majority and that’s the problem with this world. There is no way that Toyota, Nissan, any of these manufacturers can support the Gran Turismo series, my/our $60 at the store says so. If they can, and they are more important over the fan base, then I expect Gran Turismo 7, 8 and beyond to be $0 (ZERO DOLLARS) to me/us because clearly these auto manufactures are the bread and butter to Sony/PD not the people who PAID MONEY for the game. So ridiculous. And now I’m reading it’s for a specific car, a race car no less (unlike the car pictured in article). So now it’s the price of the car, which I didn’t know Toyota sells race cars to the public now but ok. Oh, oh and $900 for the tool. Pocket change right. I’ll take two to go please. Unless these special, magical cars are at the whopping three tracks far, far away for most people are there to rent time for, I can’t see this really being a great idea. But hey that’s why I’m not getting paid the big bucks to think. By the way, those Orange, White and Red cars from the Hands-On article look really basic for race cars. And is Jordan sitting on the LEFT side of the car driving. I thought cars built in Japan were right hand drive. My bad, but I did learn something new.
Great, so we have all this neat fancy data that so few people will get to share. Tell me, when they collect the data, they will be sure to set the Camber to 0.0/0.0 right? That’s clearly the correct way, the real simulator says so. Oh and the tire wear will be off and fuel will not deplete in the REAL CARS because in the game I still can’t toggle it on or off? You know, because a real car after 2-3 laps has the same fuel and tire levels just like the first lap.
Help me understand the malfunction with this. Yes this is neat technology, no doubt. But you know what else is neat, a properly functioning game and options that were in a previous title. For example, I see a whole section and sub sections when it comes to online racing, leagues, clubs, and so on yet no section for GPS. Hmmm... wonder why. One is clearly more popular than the other. This is coming from a guy who has NEVER raced online before, so no this isn’t about me and what I want, this is about the community as a whole. What's enjoyable. How can this possibly be a feature that will make new potential buyers of Gran Turismo 6 and future PS4/Gran Turismo 7 say “oh yeah, this is where it’s at”. “I get to watch others enjoy it, best money ever spent”. I’m so lost, and I’m pretty good with a compass. Sounds like another toy for Sony executives and Kaz to play with thanks to the funding from YOU/US the players. A thank you from them would be nice.
As I said in another thread....
Fun facts before I go...
1. Did you know a person with one TV, PS3, and Gran Turismo 6 game can use the Community Features for just the cost of their internet?
2. Did you know a person with one TV, PS3, and Gran Turismo 6 game can use B-Spec at the cost of their time, hair, and loss of voice?
3. Did you know a person with one TV, PS3, and Gran Turismo 6 game can use Course Maker with just their FREE imagination?
4. Did you know the first three Fun Facts can be used by most if not all people in the Gran Turismo community?
I'm pretty sure the above is more desired than buying a brand new car and flying to another country just to get some GPS data. Think about it, carefully. Keep the players busy with popular things while you work on other technical, not as accessible, less popular things. It’s really not that hard.
GPS Visualiser
In a future update, we will add the GPS Visualiser. This is a feature that allows YOU to import Controller Area Network (CAN), used to regulate automobile systems, and GPS coordinate data from a real life car into Gran Turismo 6, and visualise the data as a replay in the game. The feature is planned to be compatible with the Toyota Motor Corporation’s CAN-Gateway ECU.
It says right there YOU, YOU, YOU not THEM, THEM, THEM. It does not say “owner’s of a special race car only in Japan, initially on tracks only in Japan”. If we go by the Sony/PD calendar, the kids in year 21xx MIGHT get to try it. I’m still waiting for the teased track details, not actual track but details from January/February. How is this so hard to understand.
Let me ask those who will it seems will take a bullet for Kaz to defend this or anyone... When you first read this back in December BEFORE release (you know doing your homework before purchase), what did you think it meant. I can tell you what I thought... I’m gonna plop my butt in an affordable Toyota car like Jordan did at Willow Springs, but any real life track in the game at that time (notice no asterisk saying only Japan), do some laps, go home, upload MY data and race/watch myself like Jordan did. Anyone with integrity will answer this the only way possible, “yep, it’s kind of misleading” or some variation.
This is a clear case of Minority > Majority and that’s the problem with this world. There is no way that Toyota, Nissan, any of these manufacturers can support the Gran Turismo series, my/our $60 at the store says so. If they can, and they are more important over the fan base, then I expect Gran Turismo 7, 8 and beyond to be $0 (ZERO DOLLARS) to me/us because clearly these auto manufactures are the bread and butter to Sony/PD not the people who PAID MONEY for the game. So ridiculous. And now I’m reading it’s for a specific car, a race car no less (unlike the car pictured in article). So now it’s the price of the car, which I didn’t know Toyota sells race cars to the public now but ok. Oh, oh and $900 for the tool. Pocket change right. I’ll take two to go please. Unless these special, magical cars are at the whopping three tracks far, far away for most people are there to rent time for, I can’t see this really being a great idea. But hey that’s why I’m not getting paid the big bucks to think. By the way, those Orange, White and Red cars from the Hands-On article look really basic for race cars. And is Jordan sitting on the LEFT side of the car driving. I thought cars built in Japan were right hand drive. My bad, but I did learn something new.
Great, so we have all this neat fancy data that so few people will get to share. Tell me, when they collect the data, they will be sure to set the Camber to 0.0/0.0 right? That’s clearly the correct way, the real simulator says so. Oh and the tire wear will be off and fuel will not deplete in the REAL CARS because in the game I still can’t toggle it on or off? You know, because a real car after 2-3 laps has the same fuel and tire levels just like the first lap.
Help me understand the malfunction with this. Yes this is neat technology, no doubt. But you know what else is neat, a properly functioning game and options that were in a previous title. For example, I see a whole section and sub sections when it comes to online racing, leagues, clubs, and so on yet no section for GPS. Hmmm... wonder why. One is clearly more popular than the other. This is coming from a guy who has NEVER raced online before, so no this isn’t about me and what I want, this is about the community as a whole. What's enjoyable. How can this possibly be a feature that will make new potential buyers of Gran Turismo 6 and future PS4/Gran Turismo 7 say “oh yeah, this is where it’s at”. “I get to watch others enjoy it, best money ever spent”. I’m so lost, and I’m pretty good with a compass. Sounds like another toy for Sony executives and Kaz to play with thanks to the funding from YOU/US the players. A thank you from them would be nice.
As I said in another thread....
Fun facts before I go...
1. Did you know a person with one TV, PS3, and Gran Turismo 6 game can use the Community Features for just the cost of their internet?
2. Did you know a person with one TV, PS3, and Gran Turismo 6 game can use B-Spec at the cost of their time, hair, and loss of voice?
3. Did you know a person with one TV, PS3, and Gran Turismo 6 game can use Course Maker with just their FREE imagination?
4. Did you know the first three Fun Facts can be used by most if not all people in the Gran Turismo community?
I'm pretty sure the above is more desired than buying a brand new car and flying to another country just to get some GPS data. Think about it, carefully. Keep the players busy with popular things while you work on other technical, not as accessible, less popular things. It’s really not that hard.
It is bloody useless for hardcore racing teams as well since they have data parameter sims and actual track test days to rely on instead of a $60 video game. Even less so since this toy only applies to three tracks.
And no I don't expect this update to add anything besides this showpiece.
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I really hope 1.06 will include something more useful to the majority of us than this form of Data Logger.
I put this "form of Logger" in the same category as mapping the stars and the surface of the Moon accurately.It's just not something the average motorsport/car fan can really find exiting.
If not then I'm going to find it continuously harder and harder to be enthusiastic about GT6 considering the promised update features listed on their website..(witch none have surfaced as yet).
I put this "form of Logger" in the same category as mapping the stars and the surface of the Moon accurately.It's just not something the average motorsport/car fan can really find exiting.
If not then I'm going to find it continuously harder and harder to be enthusiastic about GT6 considering the promised update features listed on their website..(witch none have surfaced as yet).
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Man I can't wait for PD to disappoint, YET again. So excited!! 
Fail PD. Fail. Fail.
Fail PD. Fail. Fail.
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I think Famine, myself and a few others have done a reasonable job making the case.
Now let me see if I get this right. YOU think that even though a feature for GT6 is finished and ready to go, that has been at least partly funded by a few car companies and hope to be promoted this summer... YOU think that it should be held back just because things that YOU want aren't ready.
Sure, that makes sense...Sounds like the entire debate over Standard cars.
Now I will agree that PD should give us a heads up on all this by E3, which believe it or not isn't all that far off. And especially some sort of statement if the Ayrton Senna update slips past May. Time is passing, and indeed, I would like more GT6 goodies too.
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I have faith that there will be more to this update than just the data logger, and of course the 'minor bug fixes'. It's been a long time coming since we've had an update that has improved the game a great deal, and this is the time for PD to do so. If by some off chance all this update includes is the data logger, I'd have to jump on the complaint bandwagon. It'd be the most useless update in history, because it leaves literally over 99% of players without any new content.
It just seems like the data logger would fit in best along with a major update, seeing how the vast majority of the players don't own GT86 racecar and have access to a couple tracks.
If I'm wrong, and that's all this update is for, I guess I can just play the Playstation Plus free games this month while GT6 sits on the shelf.
It just seems like the data logger would fit in best along with a major update, seeing how the vast majority of the players don't own GT86 racecar and have access to a couple tracks.
If I'm wrong, and that's all this update is for, I guess I can just play the Playstation Plus free games this month while GT6 sits on the shelf.
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Bag. Head. Corner. 👍Man I can't wait for PD to disappoint, YET again. So excited!!
Fail PD. Fail. Fail.
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I'll keep GTA5 in there instead. lolJust to post.
You should've had PS+ way before, I don't understand this kind of logic. Besides the GT6 disc can rot in your PS3 drive... since you know. PS+ are digital copies only.No shelf rotting required.
I've been a PS+ member a while now. Signed up when I found out you needed it to play PS4 online. Figured why not at the time, because I was going to get a PS4 at launch... I still don't have one
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I think Famine, myself and a few others have done a reasonable job making the case.
Now let me see if I get this right. YOU think that even though a feature for GT6 is finished and ready to go, that has been at least partly funded by a few car companies and hope to be promoted this summer... YOU think that it should be held back just because things that YOU want aren't ready.
Sounds like the entire debate over Standard cars.
Now I will agree that PD should give us a heads up on all this by E3, which believe it or not isn't all that far off. And especially some sort of statement if the Ayrton Senna update slips past May. Time is passing, and indeed, I would like more GT6 goodies too.
Whoa, whoa ok sloooow down and take the defensive shield down. I'm sure you are angry for standing behind someone who clearly has duped a community and now trying to hold on to any straws you can grab, but that's not the fault of anyone here, just those who allowed it in the first place. But of course ignore what I said about the core of the issue and make stuff up. What does E3 or Ayrton Senna have to do with GPS? This is about misleading advertisement with the upcoming update v1.06. This is basically a glorified ghost lap. Just set a top 10 time on a seasonal and I can download that.
Let's try again, pay attention now.... (from my post you quoted)
blah blah ....One is clearly more popular than the other. This is coming from a guy who has NEVER raced online before, so no this isn’t about me and what I want, this is about the community as a whole. What's enjoyable.....blah blah
Tell me where I implied this was all about selfish bman1984? I made it as big as possible so you can see, it's not about me. I never said it was a terrible piece of technology, but is this really the right time. So it's done, I bet there are lots of things done, like the BMW Vision Gran Turismo. There's information found by member's here, yet we're not driving it. Or the big "February Track". So now they advertise incomplete products. No, no they just SELL them.
You clearly haven't been to the Suggestion section enough. I just punched in "visualiser" in the Suggestion section / Features and "No results" found. Also, it's not in the top 105 threads when sorted by likes, less than 25 likes. Did you forget to make a thread to see how many people wanted this, or was afraid it would only include Tenacious D and "a few others".
Sounds to me you should stop downloading any future updates after 1.06 because you are clearly happy with the game, you know bugs and all. I suppose you'd be happy if/when Course Maker is released that ha ha you can't use it, only PD can to create more Super Duper seasonal laps. But it's done though so why not release it with no ability for us players to create with it like the GPS feature.
Since you chose to reply to me I believe I asked a simple question that you clearly ignored. So again I'll give it another go....
Question: Let me ask those who will it seems will take a bullet for Kaz to defend this or anyone... When you first read this back in December BEFORE release (you know doing your homework before purchase), what did you think it meant. I can tell you what I thought... I’m gonna plop my butt in an affordable Toyota car like Jordan did at Willow Springs, but any real life track in the game at that time (notice no asterisk saying only Japan), do some laps, go home, upload MY data and race/watch myself like Jordan did. Anyone with integrity will answer this the only way possible, “yep, it’s kind of misleading” or some variation.
I have a pretty good idea what the answer is, but would be embarrassing to admit after defending it so much.
I look forward to downloading your lap around... hmm you are in the USA so the closet track for you is I believe is Fuji in JAPAN maybe or Suzuka also in JAPAN. Please drop us a line before you go so we can buy stock in fuel and airline.
As for your standard car comment, I honestly have no clue what you are talking about. Standard cars and GPS are totally different things. My point was there are a handful of people that can use this (the Minority) and many that can't (Majority). Look who is being catered to.
LOL, this date logger deal is going to end up being utterly and completely useless. After the first couple of days or weeks, nobody (of the few people who actually can) is going to be doing anything with it. It's just going to fade out and a few months from now everyone will be going "hey remember that data logging feature? Boy that sure didn't take off did it!"
As much fun as GT6 is, its not a deep or accurate enough simulation for it to begin with...
As much fun as GT6 is, its not a deep or accurate enough simulation for it to begin with...
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I don't see how supporting the Data Logger feature means that you're a hardcore fanboy for PD. It was one of the features that was promised to be in the game via an update, and it was going to be included in the game no matter if it was before or after Course Maker, B-Spec, and Community features were released. You didn't have to on a long rant about your misinformation about the Data Logger feature, and also rant about the about the other features to be included in a update not being present in the game yet.
You don't have to buy a GAZOO Racing Toyota FT 86, NISMO GTR, and a $900 feature that is used to record the data from the FT 86 to utilize Data Logger. People who have access to these cars and race car drivers can upload the telemetry from their cars to GT6, which means that others can download this data and use it compare their lap times to the race car driver's lap times. It might not be a popluar feature, but there's nothing wrong with including this into the game, especially when this was in previous games.
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Short and sweet.
Question: Is Data Logger and GPS Visualiser the same thing? I thought it wasn't but I could be wrong. I never said anything about the Data Logger good or bad.
I know it was a promised feature and that's fine. I just don't see why this is the feature that took man power and time before other more useful features and more importantly fixes. But I do look forward to downloading your GPS lap also without the proper car and $900 dollar feature.
I think the point is being missed. Please take a look at the official granturismo.com information about the GPS Visualiser and NOT Data Logger (which is on a separate line). Who is suppose to use the feature: you or race car drivers?
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*Puts on bag and sits in corner* 
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The benefits of the GPS Visualiser will only apply to a small handful of people for now, but we can all benefit from the new and improved Data Logger making a return! Can everyone who doesn't understand please wrap their heads around this.
The GPS Visualiser is a tool that you can combine with a Toyota 86, money, and the Data Logger to give you a virtual representation of your real drive.
The Data Logger by itself will give you detailed data about directional G forces, throttle, acceleration etc. for your virtual drive in any car on any track in GT6, just like in previous entries.
Anyway, I'm hoping that 1.06 will also give us Zahara de la Sierra and the BMW VGT. (If not, look out for 1.07)
The GPS Visualiser is a tool that you can combine with a Toyota 86, money, and the Data Logger to give you a virtual representation of your real drive.
The Data Logger by itself will give you detailed data about directional G forces, throttle, acceleration etc. for your virtual drive in any car on any track in GT6, just like in previous entries.
Anyway, I'm hoping that 1.06 will also give us Zahara de la Sierra and the BMW VGT. (If not, look out for 1.07)
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Maybe you should read the news before having a tantrum.
https://www.gtplanet.net/more-gt6-data-logger-details-price-track-compatibility/
Three Japanese tracks are supported at launch, but more tracks both in the U.S. and in Europe will be added.
Sweet Jesus, multiple giant rants because you didn't bother to do your research...
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Do you have a link to show us that the GPS Date Logger as you described is in 1.06
as opposed to this Data Logger https://www.gtplanet.net/more-gt6-data-logger-details-price-track-compatibility/ which is what we are actually getting.Seriously. 👍 People want now-now-now, yet one of the most unique things to a video game takes its first step and it's "Something we don't need."
Even if it's exclusive to where the dev's home country is right now, look how it evolves and it expands in the future. This is how things move forward. It doesn't need to make a direct impact immediately.
Getting real tired of reading every thread becoming a complain-fest.
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It sounds like a nice feature an' all...
But to the absolute VAST majority of us, It just won't be worth using since you need a car and the in-car device to actually be able to map.
But to the absolute VAST majority of us, It just won't be worth using since you need a car and the in-car device to actually be able to map.
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Why they don't just make an ordinary course maker without using a car a GPS etc. like in other games.
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This update isn't about the course maker. But to answer your question there will be a regular course maker and the GPS feature will be just that, a feature of the course maker.
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