2009 Singapore Grand Prix
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Webber is now out of the Championship since he's more than 30 points behind with 3 races to go.
Button has a 15 point lead over Barrichello and 25 points lead over Vettel. Therefore Barrichello has to gain a minimum of 6 points and Vettel a minimum of 16 points over the next 2 races for it to go to the last round. Tough but Kimi did it from further back than that.
These races will be at a couple of classic race tracks in Suzuka and Sao Paulo. Here's hoping for some good racing from now on.
Button has a 15 point lead over Barrichello and 25 points lead over Vettel. Therefore Barrichello has to gain a minimum of 6 points and Vettel a minimum of 16 points over the next 2 races for it to go to the last round. Tough but Kimi did it from further back than that.
These races will be at a couple of classic race tracks in Suzuka and Sao Paulo. Here's hoping for some good racing from now on.
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Yeah... but momentum was on Kimi's side. With the other teams now matching or faster than RBR and Brawn, it'll be tough for either Vettel or Barrichelo to get the wins they need to overtake Button.
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- bramturismo
Actually, it's the other way round. Mechanics inspected the brakes at the front quickly and the wheel gunner put his thumb up in the air saying "It's fine". A wrong decision, but you have to understand the circumstances these wheelgunners do their job in.
In fact, if Webber would've crashed after the first corner, we would've seen yet another safety car, which ment that Glock would've won this race. Fortunately for Hamilton Mclaren's mechanics were lightning quick to get their gear and get Hamilton in.
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On the BBC's red button forum they confirmed that Red Bull were considering retiring him and were just about to radio Mark to tell him to park it when it happened.
So I don't think Red Bull did anything wrong, they were just unlucky.
Also, Eddie Jordan revealed that Williams are the only team not wanting thicker brake pads for next year (considering that they have larger fuel loads next year).
That was another lucky race for Button, great drive from Glock and again from Hamilton and Alonso.
Sutil once again making a dumb mistake further cementing his position as backmarker for another year, his mistakes are unravelling his achievements.
Kovy doing a sub-standard job again though he eluded to the car not really being built around him - though thats not really surprising.
I was impressed with Alguesuari, he's done better than I originally thought and him and Buemi are doing exactly what a rookie should do in his season - keep out of trouble but make the most of the positions you end up in to annoy the other teams enough to make them learn your name. Great (albeit easy) defending.
I was glad to see this track meet my expectations while at the same time doing what I've been wanting a street circuit to do for ages - give us good attrition. Dull in terms of racing action but great for challenging the drivers and causing lots of DNF's and on the edge driving. That was a Formula 1 race. Singapore has earned its right on the calendar in my opinion, way better than Valencia.
So I don't think Red Bull did anything wrong, they were just unlucky.
Also, Eddie Jordan revealed that Williams are the only team not wanting thicker brake pads for next year (considering that they have larger fuel loads next year).
That was another lucky race for Button, great drive from Glock and again from Hamilton and Alonso.
Sutil once again making a dumb mistake further cementing his position as backmarker for another year, his mistakes are unravelling his achievements.
Kovy doing a sub-standard job again though he eluded to the car not really being built around him - though thats not really surprising.
I was impressed with Alguesuari, he's done better than I originally thought and him and Buemi are doing exactly what a rookie should do in his season - keep out of trouble but make the most of the positions you end up in to annoy the other teams enough to make them learn your name. Great (albeit easy) defending.
I was glad to see this track meet my expectations while at the same time doing what I've been wanting a street circuit to do for ages - give us good attrition. Dull in terms of racing action but great for challenging the drivers and causing lots of DNF's and on the edge driving. That was a Formula 1 race. Singapore has earned its right on the calendar in my opinion, way better than Valencia.
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- bramturismo
Agreed to certain extend. He seemed to cope very well with the stress of having a Force India and a Ferrari breathing in his neck which were so much quicker. Thumbs up to him for keeping the car together during those situations. However, he needs to watch out during a pitstop and learn to listen to the lollipop man.
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Yeah I heard that - although he would have had to do another lap - the decision should've been made before he passed the pits... but that's the way it goes.
I'm surprised that there are regs for this... shouldn't they let the teams decide how thick their brakes need to be?
Totally agree - I found the race very interesting - surprised that people thought it was boring.
Legard is beginning to piss me off more and more though...
Why on earth is he so surprised that the first place mans seconds lap is the fastest of the afternoon so far?!?! He's told us that for the last 4 races running - jeez!
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vettel just ruined his day.
he ruined his duel with hamilton.
he ruined his mirror.
he ruined his diffuser.
he ruined the pit lane speed barrier.
omg
he ruined his duel with hamilton.
he ruined his mirror.
he ruined his diffuser.
he ruined the pit lane speed barrier.
omg
For a person who ruined so many things, I think finishing 4th is a great outcome.
Good job to button though. When he needed to string some hot laps togethor he was able to and made for some exciting watching (finally) after like 40 dull laps, shame though his brakes cooked themselves, I wanted to see what he woulda done when he caught vettel.
It's unbelievable how much luck Button had today. I'm not trying to discount his talent, but what are the chances that on qualifying you finish 12th, with the other title contenders in 2nd and 5th, and finish the race ahead of one and right behind the other? It ranged from Barrichello's transmission, to the safety car, to Barrichello's disastrous second stop, to Vettel's drive-through... it's simply unbelievable. If you need "champion's luck" to win, then Button is the winner already.
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I don't have a huge problem with Legard and I can't do without Brundle. But why not try the 5live commentary with Crofty and Ant if you don't like Legard so much?
Davidson is just as good as Brundle so you aren't losing too much, although you do miss Ted Kravitz - who is the unsung hero of the BBC team, how many times he has given us great info over the race I cannot count, wish ITV had used him more.
Not to mention Heidfeld's penalty, Webber's brakes and Sutil+Heidfeld's safety car.
Its been an unbelievable season overall to be honest.
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I know what you mean... I watched 3rd practice on Saturday morning - and those 2 are very good... but as you say - you miss out on pit lane reporting. Kravitz is all over the place getting the news from everywhere - top job from that man - even if he does look like a renault employee in his jumpsuit!
I usually just try to ignore legard - if he stopped coming out with stupid comments - then he'd be much better... sometimes I can just imagine Brundle in the box next to him doing the classic "spaz" face at him!!
I reckon they should swap Crofty with Legard... although I'd pity Davidson for that - hopefully he's got a drive next year tho so it won't affect him too much!
Also - I'm not sure if they sync up the radio to the TV - because the other day I was watching Football on Sky at my parents - whilst my dad was listening on the radio... he walked in and said "They've scored" - and about 15 seconds later - they scored!! That's quite some lag.
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Thats the effect of watching digital TV, if you still have an analogue TV and switch both on the same channel you will see the analogue TV will be quicker. Its just the time it takes travelling.
It doesn't appear to affect the 5live commentary though, I imagine they have methods of getting around a delay though, they just delay one or the other so they sync up.
I'm pretty sure Legard will be with us next year, the BBC are happy with their coverage and reportedly there are no problems with Legard. We would have Ben Edwards (commentates BTCC as well as a couple of other series) but he refused to drop his commitments to the other series. There aren't many other options really and I'm not sure Croft would be as good with Brundle, he works so well with Davidson because they appear to be great mates outside of work.
I hope Ant gets a seat next year, I have a sneaking suspicion that he may be going to Lotus, seeing as Gascoyne was involved with the BBC coverage in China, I wouldn't be surprised if they are on good terms.
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Indeed - It's worse with Sky HD too... I knew there was a delay...
But I was surprised that it was really that big until I witnessed it the other day!
On the point of Gascoyne... I thought he did a better job than Eddie Jordan too... but that's another story.
BBC's coverage this year has been very very good... they cover so much more than ITV used to... like I say - the only downside is Legard... at first - I thought that maybe he could improve - but he's not seeming to learn anything about F1.
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Legard's problem isn't knowledge, I think he just doesn't have the quick thinking a commentator needs, he too regularly relies on the same phrases and the timing screen - this is why he seems to call things wrong, because he watches the timing too much and misses what really matters.
But overall I don't mind his mistakes because there isn't a commentator on the earth who doesn't make mistakes. I would prefer Croft or Edwards but I much prefer Legard with his odd mistakes and duller tone than SCREAM-ANNOYING-OMGHAMILTON!!-James Allen.
I quite like EJ actually, he's improved over the season and I've come to learn that he knows no one takes him seriously and just talks rubbish for the banter, he works great bouncing off Coulthard and its great TV.
I also really liked Gascoyne, but the BBC coverage would really be missing something without EJ.
Sometimes he even manages to say relevant and interesting things, his experience as a team principal does come in handy at times (how to treat sponsors, how to deal with team morale, etc) and he has also brought some great revelations and asked some great questions to people. Oh and he seems to be liked in the paddock and can get away with dragging the likes of Schumacher and Brawn in for an interview!
That's what I initially thought, but Barrichello had quite a considerable gap and a few cars in between them. After the safety car, that gap disappeared and there was only one car between them.
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Completely agree - James Allen's a knob...
And EJ has also got better as the year has progressed - at the beginning he was a bit silly - but he has got a lot better and the interplay with him and DC is proper amusing!!
The only bad thing DC has is that his lack of impartiality often clouds his judgement.
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I don't know, it provides Jake and Eddie a perfect opportunity to have a jibe at him about it!
Honestly, I wouldn't change anything with the BBC team, its as perfect as it can get, pundits are great, commentary is good enough, presentation is great, pit lane reporting and interviews are great, music selection is great, coverage of the latest news and gossip is great, the level of bias is perfect too.
And by the sounds of it they are easily the best coverage option from around the world.
There are only minor issues - Legard perhaps not being the best option ever and the website design sometimes being a bit rubbish.
Honestly, I wouldn't change anything with the BBC team, its as perfect as it can get, pundits are great, commentary is good enough, presentation is great, pit lane reporting and interviews are great, music selection is great, coverage of the latest news and gossip is great, the level of bias is perfect too.
And by the sounds of it they are easily the best coverage option from around the world.
There are only minor issues - Legard perhaps not being the best option ever and the website design sometimes being a bit rubbish.
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Overall a good race, I'm not sold on Singapore however. I missed the race last year, after seeing it this year it seems like there are turns where they should not be. Whats the deal with that left right left chicane complex? The drivers seem to straight line it for the most part, just seems like adding a turn just to do it. Other than that, IMO it's hard to tell just where the cars are at any given time, so much of the track looks the same to me, aside from a few sections. That could just be me though. The sparks, glowing brakes which I thought were in a carbon cover, but something was glowing behind one of the cars spats in one shot, and exhaust flames 
. I was never quite sure just who the top three podium finishers would be as it seemed easy to put a wheel wrong and ruin a race. The excitement was there for me, just at this point I don't care much for the venue.
Anyone know what if any penaltys were issued to Sutil for his incident with Nick Heidfeld? The speed commentators seemed to think a grid spot penalty for Suzuka.
What did they do to Suzuka while rebuilding it? Did they change any of the layout?
. I was never quite sure just who the top three podium finishers would be as it seemed easy to put a wheel wrong and ruin a race. The excitement was there for me, just at this point I don't care much for the venue. Anyone know what if any penaltys were issued to Sutil for his incident with Nick Heidfeld? The speed commentators seemed to think a grid spot penalty for Suzuka.
What did they do to Suzuka while rebuilding it? Did they change any of the layout?
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Sutil got a fine, I don't think he deserved a grid penalty just a slap on the wrist for being a numpty.
Suzuka reportedly has run off area at turn 1 nowadays, there's some pics floating around the internet. I don't there's been a substantial change in layout, just run off added, minor changes and a massive upgrade in facilities.
Suzuka reportedly has run off area at turn 1 nowadays, there's some pics floating around the internet. I don't there's been a substantial change in layout, just run off added, minor changes and a massive upgrade in facilities.
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He's been making stupid (dangerous at times) mistakes almost all season long though 
He's definitely way over rated IMO and FAR from refined.
Funny quote from PF1: Asked whether any action should be taken against Sutil, Heidfeld said: "Maybe we try to find a brain for him!"
That's pretty harsh coming from Heidfeld...must have been pretty upset about his record race streak being ended by such a pathetic accident lol
He's definitely way over rated IMO and FAR from refined.Funny quote from PF1: Asked whether any action should be taken against Sutil, Heidfeld said: "Maybe we try to find a brain for him!"
That's pretty harsh coming from Heidfeld...must have been pretty upset about his record race streak being ended by such a pathetic accident lolSimilar threads
