2010 Brazilian Grand Prix

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I have to admit though Virgin has made quite a large improvement to their cars since the first race of the season. Virgin finally caught up with Lotus really is a good time for them and giving more competition to the Lotus. But remember, the last major updates on the Lotus car was in Silverstone where Virgin also debut their major updates there. Since then, Lotus has done no big updates except for a front and rear wing changes... I think Virgin has gone into the future though, designing cars with CFD. I think more future teams will opted to go for it since it might be the cheapest way to design cars...
 
I think HRT have been so reliable because they have no reason not to be reliable. Both cars have been constantly at the back of the pack the entire season. They haven't been pushing their cars, so the cars don't take any stress. It seems like they've spent more time moving over for the frontrunners lapping them than they have actually racing.

That's my take on it.
 
I personally don't see Webber pushing as hard in the race after what happened in Korea. I think he will aim to just haul big points but not push it to the limit for fear of wiping out and getting nothing. So a 2nd or 3rd just to keep him in there.

Robin.
 
I think HRT have been so reliable because they have no reason not to be reliable. Both cars have been constantly at the back of the pack the entire season. They haven't been pushing their cars, so the cars don't take any stress. It seems like they've spent more time moving over for the frontrunners lapping them than they have actually racing.

That's my take on it.

I agree - when you're often well over a second off the pace of even the slowest team on the grid there's not much point in pushing to the absolute maximum and risking reliability issues, as you don't really have a fighting chance to begin with. You're better off taking it easy on the equipment and hoping that you can achieve a better result than some of the other teams by simply making it to the end of the race.

Why waste resources updating a car you didn't design and don't really understand? Sure you could attempt to pick apart Dallara's design and modify it from there, but do you really think it was worth Hispania spending the money to do that?
Lets also keep in mind that it was designed and produced by Dallara originally, HRT didn't/don't have their own windtunnel. They don't really have a proper base as far as I understand, its mostly Kolles' resources being used.

People aren't giving Hispania much credit really. Of course it doesn't look great for them financially at the moment but they have turned up at all the races and although they have been off the pace, they have been reliable and quite organised.

HRT clearly have some money otherwise they wouldn't have turned up at all the races. Whether they will be in F1 in 2011 remains to be seen but its not as gloom and doom as some are suggesting.
I also have to give major 👍 to Colin Kollles for really saving that team and turning it into a somewhat professional and organised team. If it wasn't for him, they wouldn't have made Bahrain.

Also a word on the drivers (and the car): Senna has actually been moderately impressive over the season, almost always being ahead of his teammates and dicing with Virgins on two occasions (Turkey and somewhere else I can't remember right now). Chandhok also did ok, Yamamoto has actually been reliable and Klien was impressive.
The car itself obviously looks dreadful to control but even so, its been reliable. HRT have the most double-finishes out of the new teams. At one point they were more reliable than Sauber!

HRT are certainly not the clowns people like to portray them as. They are not anywhere near the lows of Andrea Moda or that type. They are more like Super Aguri. Although a 4 year-old Arrows is better than a Dallara :lol:.

I guess you're right for the most part - given the mess (the financial situation and Dallara) Kollies was handed down by Campos, the team haven't been too embarrasing - and at least from the sounds of things 2011 could be somewhat promising for them 👍 Hopefully this will be the case.

Don't let the numbers fool you - Virgin have been the best team this year. Their development buget was put back when they found the problems with the fuel tank, and it took them five races to correct the fault and prepare the car for a proper development scedule, and they had originally intended. Despite a five-race heardstart on the developmental front, Virgin caught up with Lotus at Silverstone (Glock finished two laps down, but was in sight of Trulli and Kovalainen because Webber got him on the last lap). They've developed the car faster than Lotus and Hispania did theirs, they've proven that a CFD-exclusive car is possible and they've come in drastically under budget.

At the end of the day Lotus has gotten the better results and is still the slightly quicker car atm (and were competent enough to design a proper sized fuel tank from the get go :lol:). To me you're simply rating the teams on their development rate in the later part of the year which doesn't mean a whole lot, as Lotus (and some of the other new teams) have been aiming most of their development and resources torwards next years car for quite some time now. At the end of the day I think Lotus on the whole has been the most well rounded team this year, and next year will give us a better picture of just how strong each of the new teams is, now that they've gotten their feet wet.
 
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I'd say finishing ahead of Alonso is essential for Webber this race. It's not a must, but the slow corners at abu dhabi will really play into ferrari's hands. Hamilton and Vettel really need to get a victory or 2nd place here. It could be an exciting race!
 
Might see a lot of desparate moves from the top contenders. :nervous:
 
At the end of the day Lotus has gotten the better results and is still the slightly quicker car atm (and were competent enough to design a proper sized fuel tank from the get go :lol:). To me you're simply rating the teams on their development rate in the later part of the year which doesn't mean a whole lot, as Lotus (and some of the other new teams) have been aiming most of their development and resources torwards next years car for quite some time now. At the end of the day I think Lotus on the whole has been the most well rounded team this year, and next year will give us a better picture of just how strong each of the new teams is, now that they've gotten their feet wet.

Lotus' superior speed over the 3 other newbies is a lot thanks to their biggest budget. Lotus has around 40-50 million dollars, and a legendary name to attract even more sponsors(CNN?), plus they get 2 drivers with good experience, who can help with development even more.
 
Hopefully it's another Red Bull 1/2 after last race malarkey. Vettel could've had this championship in the bag if he didn't suffer that engine failure :/
 
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Aww nooooo. It's on at 5.00 AM on a Monday!! And don't even mention the practices and qualifying rounds. This has the worst timing ever. I hate this race and it hasn't already started. Also, just wondering guys, why is the Abu Dhabi GP only what? 5 days after the Brazil one? why are some races like 4 weeks after another and this is only 5 days?
 
Aww nooooo. It's on at 5.00 AM on a monday!! ...

That being said, the two previous GPs were on at pretty good times in AU/NZ timezones. We cant complain too much.
I think I will just set the PlayTV to record and get up for work a little early
 
I'm disappointed the championship might go down to Abu Dhabi instead of a decent track with a decent crowd showing decent enthusiasm.
 
We might see if any of them can overtake. Some of the best overtakers are from the other teams. Hamilton is a pretty good overtaker but he doesn't leave a lot of room for safety as we saw in Italy and Singapore. Kubica and Kobayashi are the best overtakers in my opinion.
 
All things considered with the testing ban and the short notice HRT had to actually field a car, they aren't all that bad compared to come of the (wonderfully) absurd entries F1 has had in the past. Performance-wise, they're last-row quality, but in terms of professionalism, build quality, and the fact they haven't disrupted the rest of the paddock with their antics is impressive enough.

The first two races had me wondering if they were the next Life or Andrea Moda (very few racing laps), but they've tried to make it to the finish of every race, and although we've seen a lot of rookie driving mistakes, they've shown up and ready to race...er, qualify...with no excuses. I mean, an all-new team, short notice, no real engine deal, few sponsors, drivers with little to no F1 testing — let alone no GP starts between them — making it through the entire season merits a shiny star sticker from me.
 
Yeah HRT were very good because they had absolutley no reason to. Hopefully next year they can avoid swapping around their drivers and maybe a couple of points.
 
I'd hardly say HRT are professional, their driver situation is beyond pathetic.

Not really, you can't pick and choose with little money in hand. They aren't in a position to have permanent super star drivers and Yamamoto's money is clearly being saved up for 2011 (which is the reason Chandhok is no longer in the race seat as his sponsors didn't like seeing their money being kept for 2011 when their man may not even be in the car).

Its difficult to be professional with your drivers if you haven't got the money to pay them and are instead relying on their sponsor/backing money.

I don't know why people see pay drivers as "unprofessional", sure they have a tendencey to be terrible drivers because they have progressed through money rather than necessarily talent. But really, Senna, Yamamoto and Chandhok have not been the worst drivers this year.

Besides, would they really be anywhere better if they were somehow paying Alonso or Hamilton to drive the cars? Not really, so its almost irrelevant who drives for them as long as they finish the races.
 
9 a.m. qualifying on Saturday and 8:00 a.m. race (P.S.T.) on Sunday here on the West coast of Canada (remember clocks fall back an hour Sunday a.m.) is better than the 5:00 a.m. starts when races in Europe :)
 
GMT
(I think this applies to Portugal, Ireland ... and UK if they left BST already)

Friday
Practice 1 - 13:00-14:30
Practice 2 - 17:00-18:30


Saturday
Practice 3 - 14:00-15:00
Qualifying - 17:00-18:00


Sunday
The Race - 17:00-19:00


PS - Schedule according to autosport.com
 
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