2010 Formula One Canada Grand Prix

[hornet_burnout]

I missed a couple of overtakes because of interruptions to the TV signal But luckily they showed replays

It's funny how the BBC commentators completely missed when Button passed Alonso. Bit of a slow reaction, took them like 20 seconds to realise, and the camera was on them all of the time, so presumably they could see what we were seeing too.

Portuguese commentator and driver Tiago Monteiro said Hamilton overtook Alonzo then... It took them a few seconds to see it better and realize the nonsense (Hamilton was already ahead of Alonzo by about 4 secs)

 

[Ardius]

I missed a couple of overtakes because of interruptions to the TV signal But luckily they showed replays

It's funny how the BBC commentators completely missed when Button passed Alonso. Bit of a slow reaction, took them like 20 seconds to realise, and the camera was on them all of the time, so presumably they could see what we were seeing too.

To be fair, they also have the timing screen in front of them and messages from Mark Hughes to look at who sits in the box with them (he passes on information as he follows the race in a more focused fashion on lower down the field or writes down all the tyre information, stats, etc).
Legard regularly spends too much time watching the timing screen though, sometimes hes reading that and sees driver X doing a rubbish sector and going "why is that?" when if he had watched the main screen he would have seen why.

But anyway, I think commentators are allowed to miss the odd thing or two..I mean Murray was the best right? and he missed loads of stuff!

 

[The Outlaw]

Another awesome race to build on an already epic season 👍 Superb drives from Button, Alonso, and especially Hamilton. And omg what an embarrassment Schumacher was today

Hamilton is going to ruin the tires. I still think Alonso could win this although I think its more likely that Button will.

Really? I think it's time to replace your crystal ball

 

[Peter]

Why were the tires wearing down so much at Canada? It's mainly straights, which shouldn't make hard tires turn into ribbons after around 15 laps.

 

[Seismica]

Portuguese commentator and driver Tiago Monteiro said Hamilton overtook Alonzo then... It took them a few seconds to see it better and realize the nonsense (Hamilton was already ahead of Alonzo by about 4 secs)

thats even worse

Why were the tires wearing down so much at Canada? It's mainly straights, which shouldn't make hard tires turn into ribbons after around 15 laps.

The circuit was green, having not been raced on for around 2 years (At least not by F1 cars, Not sure if it was used in other events).

The track surface is also more compact to prevent it breaking up like it did a few years ago. But this makes the surface very slippy, and more difficult for the cars to put rubber down. The BBC commentator described it as 'Polished Marble'.

 

[hornet_burnout]

I could see Button and Webber pitting as they did and deciding the win between them, as Hamilton, Vettel and Alonzo would be needing another set.

But I guess the track rubbered-in nicely during the race!

 

[Bram Turismo]

Is it me or did they show Di Grassi instead of Bruno Senna at the starting tables? I was about to ask you guys when they ditched Senna for Di Grassi because the grid showed Di Grassi was in the race, until Senna retired from the race

*EDIT*

My bad, must've been confusing him with another driver as Di Grassi drives for Virgin and not for HRT.

 

[NihilismOnToast]

Am I the only one who finds Jonathan Legard to be annoying as a commentator? He seems to frequently and rudely cut off Martin and Ted, and also make utterly pointless comments such as how tall Liuzzi is. He knows his stuff but to me, he just comes off as grumpy and impolite.

 

[Stevisiov]

Am I the only one who finds Jonathan Legard to be annoying as a commentator? He seems to frequently and rudely cut off Martin and Ted, and also make utterly pointless comments such as how tall Liuzzi is. He knows his stuff but to me, he just comes off as grumpy and impolite.

For me, the worst member of the BBC team is Eddie Jordan. He does add to the show and he clearly has a lot of contacts which is of course useful but when he goes on a rant at the team bosses, I find him embarrassing frankly. His rants are bad enough when he's just talking with Coulthard and Jake. I think he feels he needs to represent the fans and try and get their points across, which is admirable accept the fact that I'm not sure he goes about it in the right way, nor argues the right things.

 

[NihilismOnToast]

For me, the worst member of the BBC team is Eddie Jordan. He does add to the show and he clearly has a lot of contacts which is of course useful but when he goes on a rant at the team bosses, I find him embarrassing frankly. His rants are bad enough when he's just talking with Coulthard and Jake. I think he feels he needs to represent the fans and try and get their points across, which is admirable accept the fact that I'm not sure he goes about it in the right way, nor argues the right things.

He does tend to go on a bit at times but I'm biased of course because 1) I'm Irish and 2) I've met him and talked to him in person and he was incredibly nice.

 

[MarkWebber]

Am I the only one who finds Jonathan Legard to be annoying as a commentator? He seems to frequently and rudely cut off Martin and Ted, and also make utterly pointless comments such as how tall Liuzzi is. He knows his stuff but to me, he just comes off as grumpy and impolite.

I actually like him as a commentator, him and Brundle work well together. Infact I have not disliked any of the commentators that have worked with Brundle over the past decade. he seems to have good energy when describing live incidences.

I am not really going to take much out of this race in terms of car performance due to the obvious fact that the race was heavily dominated by tires, sure Mclaren have the momentum but I still think Red Bull have the superior package and should be considered favourites.

Although Webber finished behind Vettel today, he still dominated him for the most part throughout the weekend, which makes it 4 races in a row, Seb is going to have to really get on top of his game otherwise the Webber juggernaut will continue at Red Bull.

 

[Dan_]

Fantastic race, I love the track and the scenery. Hamilton was awesome today, Alonso was quite brave, but McLaren was perfect today. I'm not quite sure what happened to RedBull, but if they keep making mistakes, Lewis will take the championship by the end of the year. Congrats Lewis. 👍

 

[Crashbroke23]

One of the few GP i can watch without getting up or staying up to absurdly early times did not disappoint. But one thing that caught my eye was the amount of sloppiness which ensued from pretty much most of the field. Around half of the field took part in extremely silly tussles which put them at a disadvantage. No safety car too was rather odd. It was the race that really shook up the norm of this season; 3 Stop Strategies, a new team (Lotus) fighting legitimately with a non-new team, Liuzzi doing better than Sutil, and Red Bull not being on pole added up to make, what could be, The Race Of The Season.

I am Not looking forward to Valencia.

 

[niky]

I think Red Bull will still be massively disappointed with what could have been a far better result with a different strategy.

Vettel's race was ruined by engine issues... but it was Mark who really got the shaft... he did all that work, and they wasted it on a futile gamble on tire strategies that saw him blow a big lead over Hamilton and Alonso.

They weren't dominant pace but they were on pace with the rest.

Unfortunately, on pace doesn't help when you're clawing back from a bad start... being faster would have helped.

As for Button at the start, I suspect a simple case of not getting the tyres into their optimum temperature range fast enough.

And, strangely... Button's woes may be partially responsible for ruining Vettel's (and Red Bull, in general) race. He held them back, allowing Hamilton and Alonso to build up a good cushion early on, which translated to time gained on the RBRs after the pits worked out.

I reckon Liuzzi deserves a few 👍's too... great qualifying, taken out my Massa in the first lap, and still sticks one on Schumacher and scores points - deserved more, but a great performance nevertheless...

To suffer so many set-backs and still finish 9th? Epic drive.

Why were the tires wearing down so much at Canada? It's mainly straights, which shouldn't make hard tires turn into ribbons after around 15 laps.

The track surface is also more compact to prevent it breaking up like it did a few years ago. But this makes the surface very slippy, and more difficult for the cars to put rubber down.

As an addendum to Seismica's answer, since it's mainly straights, the cars are running hella low downforce settings, to keep the more powerful cars like Ferrari (which are stronger high up in the rev range) from running away from the field. Note Alonso. Despite having to dice with both Button and Hamilton, his tires (in the slow motion replays) seemed a fair bit fresher than the McLarens. The RBRs, which don't have as much top end from the Renault engine, would likely have been running a ton less downforce than they're used to, and they ate through their hards like they were sponges.

The BBC commentator described it as 'Polished Marble'.

Hands up if you all think the entire next season of F1 should be raced on polished marble? Anyone? Yes... I think we have a majority.

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My vote for best race of the year, too.

 

[Fastas]

........Jones was good but not brilliant. He wasn't the best driver of his era. Brabham was one of the best.

Statistically, they are two very closely matched drivers with one gaping difference.....

Brabham 126 race starts, 14 wins
Jones 116 race starts, 12 wins

However, Brabham won three championships to Jones' one.

Conclusively proving that Webber is not the 'best' driver to come from Australia.

Webber 146 race starts, 4 wins, no championships.

So... I watched the highlights last night (I am still fuming about the ((all to often occurring)) power cut).

It looked to me as though the McLaren guys were having a blast, Schumi was being a tool and Vettel is very definitely a spanner short of a toolbox.

Did anyone else raise an eyebrow when, on the team radio, Vettel asked 'do I have to pass Button to win?'
Or, as I heard it....'boo-hoo...I don't like overtaking, pwease make him go away...boo-hoo..'. Seriously, this little boy is starting to annoy me; it's still a man's sport - deal with it Vettel and grow up.

I'll be looking out for the full race re-run but if anyone knows when it will be please tell. 👍

On the highlights show they didn't feature the podium presentations; can anyone tell me who was doing the smiling and patting on the backs; was it Dennis or Whitmarsh?

 

[Ardius]

I'll be looking out for the full race re-run but if anyone knows when it will be please tell. 👍

On the highlights show they didn't feature the podium presentations; can anyone tell me who was doing the smiling and patting on the backs; was it Dennis or Whitmarsh?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00sr4dn/Formula_1_2010_The_Canadian_Grand_Prix/

 

[niky]

Statistically, they are two very closely matched drivers with one gaping difference.....

Brabham 126 race starts, 14 wins
Jones 116 race starts, 12 wins

However, Brabham won three championships to Jones' one.

Conclusively proving that Webber is not the 'best' driver to come from Australia.

Webber 146 race starts, 4 wins, no championships.

That's hardly proof of anything... It's a different era, different teams, and Webber hasn't always been in the best car.

Did anyone else raise an eyebrow when, on the team radio, Vettel asked 'do I have to pass Button to win?'
Or, as I heard it....'boo-hoo...I don't like overtaking, pwease make him go away...boo-hoo..'. Seriously, this little boy is starting to annoy me; it's still a man's sport - deal with it Vettel and grow up.

Actually... while I found the call absolutely hilarious, it pointed to an incredible oversight by the team. The drivers have to concentrate on racing, and their pits should tell them where they are on strategy compared to everyone else.

He had to know whether he was supposed to push to overtake Button or if he could sit back and cruise and save his tires because Button would have to pit.

It's embarrassing to have your team's shortcomings aired out over live television. Especially by your hotheaded young superstar driver...

 

[hornet_burnout]

Loved his question near the end... "should I go fastest lap?"

What for...?

 

[niky]

Loved his question near the end... "should I go fastest lap?"

What for...?

Now that part was pretty petty...

"So I can't win... I don't have a pit advantage... and I can't overtake... can I at least go on the record books as having the fastest lap... please? Pretty please?"

 

[Fastas]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00sr4dn/Formula_1_2010_The_Canadian_Grand_Prix/

Thanks Ardius, I'm hoping it'll be on the tele again, I have downloading 'issues' at the moment.

Loved his question near the end... "should I go fastest lap?"

What for...?

Another example of how Vettel just seams a little lacking in brain functionality. This one is almost as bad as those ridiculous celebrations for getting pole positions earlier in the season.

Actually... while I found the call absolutely hilarious, it pointed to an incredible oversight by the team. The drivers have to concentrate on racing, and their pits should tell them where they are on strategy compared to everyone else.

He had to know whether he was supposed to push to overtake Button or if he could sit back and cruise and save his tires because Button would have to pit.

It's embarrassing to have your team's shortcomings aired out over live television. Especially by your hotheaded young superstar driver...

I don't think there should be a point in the race where, if you want to win, you don't have to push, except of course if you are romping away in the lead.

This also raises an interesting point on whether or not driver/team radio communications are actually a good thing. Of course the pit board helps but, the team does have the control over the drivers actions as it stands currently.

That's hardly proof of anything... It's a different era, different teams, and Webber hasn't always been in the best car.

The age old debate of eras. Well, if you've got it, you've got it I guess, any car any time any place.

 

[hornet_burnout]

(...) This also raises an interesting point on whether or not driver/team radio communications are actually a good thing. Of course the pit board helps but, the team does have the control over the drivers actions as it stands currently. (...)

The way it's done now, it sucks. They can't explicitly issue team orders because they are not popular, people don't like it, but they half word those "orders" and the info on other cars, and end up causing the mess we saw in the previous race.

And RedBull just excels at that. They suck on the communication part...

It was only when Vettel asked if he could for for fast lap that they told him to back down. They never followed up on the previous communication when they informed Vettel they were "managing an issue" that was making him slower.

 

[Fastas]

The way it's done now, it sucks. They can't explicitly issue team orders because they are not popular, people don't like it, but they half word those "orders" and the info on other cars, and end up causing the mess we saw in the previous race.

And RedBull just excels at that. They suck on the communication part...

It was only when Vettel asked if he could for for fast lap that they told him to back down. They never followed up on the previous communication when they informed Vettel they were "managing an issue" that was making him slower.

To offer up some half-arsed speculation, I assumed the comment from the Red Bull team about 'managing an issue' was referring to Vettel's team mate.

 

[livemusic]

Massa's feelings about the race:

 

[daan]

Are Shumacher and Liuzzi sitting down just out of shot?

 

[livemusic]

Probably.

He kind of looks like Nelson Piquet in that photo.

 

[Seismica]

I feel sorry for Massa. Oh wait, no I don't I'm a Mclaren fan.

I like how they showed close up of the tyres of the 3 lead cars towards the end of the race. The Ferrari is very kind to it's tyres, but Button's were still in better shape than Alonso's. Well, Sure he was in Hamilton's or Button's dirty air for the latter part of the race...

I just love how Button is racing at the moment. Sure, Hamilton is in a class of it's own, but Button is always somewhere not too far behind, waiting to pounce. Which he did, on Alonso Same in Turkey aswell. If his qualifying pace was a little better he would be the best driver out there hands down in my opinion.

 

[hornet_burnout]

I feel sorry for Massa. Oh wait, no I don't I'm a Mclaren fan.

I like how they showed close up of the tyres of the 3 lead cars towards the end of the race. The Ferrari is very kind to it's tyres, but Button's were still in better shape than Alonso's. Well, Sure he was in Hamilton's or Button's dirty air for the latter part of the race...

I just love how Button is racing at the moment. Sure, Hamilton is in a class of it's own, but Button is always somewhere not too far behind, waiting to pounce. Which he did, on Alonso Same in Turkey aswell. If his qualifying pace was a little better he would be the best driver out there hands down in my opinion.

Watching his tires as you said was what made me think he would make it to the end without pitting and Hamilton and Alonzo not. He nursed them very well and lost just a couple of seconds.

 

[BlacqueJacques]

Am I the only one who finds Jonathan Legard to be annoying as a commentator? He seems to frequently and rudely cut off Martin and Ted, and also make utterly pointless comments such as how tall Liuzzi is. He knows his stuff but to me, he just comes off as grumpy and impolite.

Put me down as another F1 viewer who does not enjoy Legard's race call.

I sometimes switch to Speed's coverage for better race call (though Fox's coverage yesterday sucked as they went to commercial far too often).

At least there were no 'African' soccer fans' horns though

 

[Roo]

Interesting statistics from Autosport (if you're anything like me):

- McLaren's first back to back 1-2 since 2000;
- for the first time in F1 history, there's been 5 championship leaders in a single season (Alonso, Massa, Button, Webber, Hamilton);
- first time the podium's consisted solely of champions since the 1991 US GP (Senna/Prost/Piquet);
- first time since 1999 that Schumacher has failed to stand on the Canadian podium;
- first fastest lap for Robert Kubica, first back to back fastest laps for Renault since 2006;
- first Swiss driver to lead a grand prix since 1979 (Clay Regazzoni, British GP), and Buemi becomes the second youngest driver to lead a race, after Vettel;
- Barichello becomes the first driver to race 15,000 laps.

 

[niky]

- first fastest lap for Robert Kubica, first back to back fastest laps for Renault since 2006;

All because RBR wouldn't lett Vettel go for it.

Recording fastest laps now means you wasted thirty seconds more than everyone else in the pits to get a late tire change... simply because you couldn't challenge for the lead.