2011 Australian Grand Prix

No. I mean what I said, 2007. It's the year he was given the seat at McLaren. What's that dark area of the plank? I think that's what's measured. There's no point coming up with a conspiracy theory that the FIA is going to overlook anything awry on Hamilton's car. That's ridiculous to even think that they have chosen a driver that can get away with anything. If Lewis is this special driver that the FIA will let do what he wants, why was he penalised at Spa when he cut the chicane and didn't let Raikkonen back through? Come on people...the FIA doesn't care who wins the championship nor do they help a certain driver win it. That's absurd.

If Hamilton's plank was worn down he would have been disqualified. He wasn't disqualified, therefore his plank wasn't worn down so much as to break the rules.

This. They scrutineer all cars after the race, there is no reason why they wouldn't have disqualified him if it breached the regulations. I remember last year or the year before in GT1 at Silverstone the race winner (Or runner up, can't remember which) in the Aston was disqualified for the same reason. They don't make exceptions without it going to appeal after Disqualification, if it's accidental, that's hard luck.

Still shame about Sauber :/ I doubt they can realistically appeal, who can say 100% that it didn't give them an advantage? Whether it was designed to conform with the regulations or not, the finished product did not. Too bad, they got off to a fine start aswell.
 
If you are seriously suggesting that the plank can drag along the ground but still meet the thickness requirements then there isn't much hope for you.
If you are seriously suggesting the FIA looked over McLaren's cars in scrutineering then there isn't much hope for you.

I hate Hamilton, but he broke no rules in Australia.
 
If Hamilton's plank was worn down he would have been disqualified. He wasn't disqualified, therefore his plank wasn't worn down so much as to break the rules.
As Brundle and Coulthard said during the commentary, if McLaren could reasonably convince the stewards that the worn plank was a result of damage to the car, they would not be disqualified. When Sebastian Vettel collided with Robert Kubica at Albert Park in 2009 and attempted to return to the pits with a damaged car, he was not disqualified. He was only given a ten-place grid penalty in Malaysia for causing an avoidable accident. I believe he was reprimanded and the team fined for driving the car while damaged. And it was in a significantly worse state than Hamilton's was this year.
 
I found it interesting that Webber was unable to keep up with Alonso in the final stint even though he was on the soft tyre and Alonso was on hard.
 
The Curse of Albert Park strikes again. It's an unwritten rule that Mark Webber's performance in Australia will be inversely proportional to the amount of media hype he is subject to. Since they're usually always read to crown him World Champion on the spot, he pretty much starts the weekend up the proverbial creek.

It appears the commentators may have been told to turn down the excessive patriotism this year, though.
 
Hamilton surely should have been disqualified due to excessive wear of the plank. It's in the rules so why hasn't it happened? The one bad thing about the f1 of today is hamilton-mania.

Damage sustained from a race incident doesn't get you disqualified, all the team has to do is prove its from contact or from going off the track.
Otherwise several drivers would be disqualified every race because their front wing doesn't adhere to the technical regulations.

:lol: @ FIA being pro-Hamilton. You mean like 2008?
 
It was a good race, tyres were fine, KERS worked really well and DRS did it's job.

Perez and Hamilton drove well, looking forward to Malaysia and how the DRS work there, I think they will reduce the distance back down to 600m. McLaren looking good for that one
 
How is it fair allowing wear to the front of the plank? Someone could have a similar accident causing wear to the rear of the plank and be disqualified. The rule is there in black and white. If they're not going to penalise Lewis for wear to the front of the plank, then it would be highly hypocritical to penalise someone else for wear to the rear of the plank due to damage to the car. It sets a dangerous precedent. The rules will be devalued if they don't apply to everyone.

My understanding is that it was not the plank dragging along the ground, but rather the front casing for the plank, which I think is made from titanium and does not contribute to wear of the plank. This is what you will have seen sparking, its entirely possible the plank was not excessively worn, as such Hamilton's car will have complied to regulations.

I do not understand how you can perceive the Stewards would simply pass a car that failed scruitineering. Take your tin foil hat off. :dunce:
 
looking forward to Malaysia and how the DRS work there, I think they will reduce the distance back down to 600m
I think it will be the opposite; they'll extend it out to the full length of the main straight. Hell, I'd be tempted to allow it on both straights to maximise the potential of it and get as much data as possible.
 
I think it will be the opposite; they'll extend it out to the full length of the main straight. Hell, I'd be tempted to allow it on both straights to maximise the potential of it and get as much data as possible.

If you did that, you might see an overtake on the second to last straight, and then the driver regaining the position back on the start/finish straight.

Could be interesting...
 
Terminal speeds are much higher at the end of those straights and since drag quadruples with speed then the DRS should be more effective plus the cars will be much closer coming out the hairpin.

Look at how close Jenson closed down on Massa at the END of the straight, imagine that for the full 600m.


I just really don't want to see a situation where a car is fully passed another before the corner consistently.
 
More pictures of the damage on Heidfeld's car:

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I must say that the new Pirellis have stepped in to the role refueling had. Mid-race strategy. Last year, without rain, the middle of the races were boring, but now there is a reason to stay awake for the duration. I, for one, am glad that something is happening after the first five laps.

sucks that Sauber got DQ'ed. And to some of the above posts, this is the Australian 2011 GP thread.


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The Curse of Albert Park strikes again. It's an unwritten rule that Mark Webber's performance in Australia will be inversely proportional to the amount of media hype he is subject to. Since they're usually always read to crown him World Champion on the spot, he pretty much starts the weekend up the proverbial creek.

Could not agree more. Every time I hear the ONE commentators talk about F1, Webber gets 90% air time, regulations, etc get 5% and other drivers get the leftovers. Webber really was not on it this weekend, and it shows. Only 5th in the fastest car in the feild. he needs to step it up, or with team orders back, he could spend all season playing rear gunner for the marketing dream (Vettel)
 
More pictures of the damage on Heidfeld's car:
Where is the damage in the 3rd pic? I can't see it as there is no arrow.

I find it highly amusing that Webber's best result in Australia was in a Minardi. :D
 
Look at how close Jenson closed down on Massa at the END of the straight, imagine that for the full 600m.
It's not difficult, considering that the straight at Albert Park is 867m long.

I find it highly amusing that Webber's best result in Australia was in a Minardi. :D
I find it even moreso that Adrian Newey designed what could be his masterpiece, and Webber could still only match his Minardi result.
 
I find it even moreso that Adrian Newey designed what could be his masterpiece, and Webber could still only match his Minardi result.

Maybe Webber has been affected by last season's events/results more than what people realize, or as mentioned already, he wasn't in the right frame of mind owing to the distractions of it being his home Grand Prix.

I hope not, IMO it was a shame he didn't win it last year, Vettel has many years ahead of him, Webber not so. After his performance last weekend, whatever it is/was that affected him he needs to sort out soon, the click is ticking.

Seeing how a few other 'big names' (manufacturers/drivers) either struggled or made mistakes last weekend, at least it wasn't just Webber that had a 'mare, but I'm not sure that's too valid, as I'm pretty sure he's more concerned about the other side of the garage (Vettel) rather than what's going on outside Redbull.

Not a bad race generally though, let's hope it's enough to keep Bernie's sprinklers away from F1.
 
Vettel did something very special in sector 3 compared to Webber and Hamilton though, depite the mistake in that sector he pulled out 4 tenths on everyone.
 
I believe there is more too it than simply Mark's state of mind, the gulf in performance is too great. Hard to say what the problem might have been for Mark, it probably was a combination of factors. It's likely we will see a return to form in the next few races.
 
Vettel did something very special in sector 3 compared to Webber and Hamilton though, depite the mistake in that sector he pulled out 4 tenths on everyone.

He actually messed up the final sector in Q3. If you watch his onboard footage, his steering wheel shows him three quarters of a second ahead until he locks up and loses time.

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Just re-read and you acknowledged that he messed up. Imagine what his time would have been without the lockup?! :scared:
 
He actually messed up the final sector in Q3. If you watch his onboard footage, his steering wheel shows him three quarters of a second ahead until he locks up and loses time.

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Just re-read and you acknowledged that he messed up. Imagine what his time would have been without the lockup?! :scared:

Yeah, here's the best sector times:

Sector 1:
1 Sebastian Vettel 28.088
2 Lewis Hamilton 28.149
3 Mark Webber 28.197
Sector 2:
1 Sebastian Vettel 22.320
2 Lewis Hamilton 22.399
3 Fernando Alonso 22.549
Sector 3:
1 Sebastian Vettel 33.045
2 Mark Webber 33.400
3 Lewis Hamilton 33.609

So it was actually 6 tenths on Lewis and 4 on Mark. With a lockup. :drool:
 
You mean the overtake when Button was on old tyres and made a mistake in the corner?

Yes. Great overtake Seb! 👍

Was it or was it not an overtake? It wasn't Hamilton style but he passed Button on track.
 
I'd wager that vettel was taking things easy. Plus he never had Kers. I think a lot of you vettel haters forget his performances in 07 and 08 when he never had a good car. You're also keen to forget lewis running at the back of the field at the start of 09... Don't kid yourself into believing that he took that car to a win. He didn't come close to a win until it had been massively upgraded. Hamilton surely should have been disqualified due to excessive wear of the plank. It's in the rules so why hasn't it happened? The one bad thing about the f1 of today is hamilton-mania.

What I don't get today is quite a lot of Hamilton haters with ludicrous claims but then again it can be said with any set of fans of drivers in F1. If you watched the media, then you would think that Hamilton can't look after the tyres, not good at race strategy or driving in the wet compared to his teammate and also crashes a lot.

It may shock you to know that Lewis has had the least DNFs than all the top five people in championship last year over the last four years he has been in F1. The Red Bull drivers have had the most DNFs, followed by Button and then Alonso I believe. Obviously car reliability is one factor but if you were to believe pundits then you would consider Lewis crash prone and it being one side of his driving that lets him down. As he has the best record over his competitors in terms of DNFs, surely it is the other guys that need to improve on looking after the car better and minimising driver errors.

Then you got people saying Alonso is still the most complete driver on the grid. So for a F1 rookie to beat him in both qualifying and also finish ahead in the championship on count back due to consistency is considered a less of a driver? If Alonso was so complete, then why was he behind Hamilton for the most of championship and was resulting to desperate measures to get ahead of him as he could not outdrive him? At the time he was the defending double world champion that more or less drove Schumacher out of F1. You would expect much better with someone of his experience over a rookie in F1.

Then you got people saying Button is a better driver in the wet than Lewis due to his two wins last year. I have you remember that Lewis outdrove Button in both races but Button’s “gamble” on the unpredictable weather paid off both times. That is why I expect him to be further back in championship points than Lewis this season.

You say that Lewis did not take the McLaren to the win but I disagree, he beat the fastest car of the season being the Red Bull to win. People insult Button that he only won due to the double diffuser but considering Red Bull had the fastest car over 80% of the 2009 season; it was more of his class in the first few races over the Red Bull drivers that resulted in him winning the championship. In 2010 the Red Bull drivers again made a mess of it and could have lost the championship with a car that had the pace to win at least 90% of the races if none of the drivers made any big errors in the race and did not have reliability issues. If the McLaren drivers had Red Bulls advantage last year then I wouldn’t of been surprised if they did over 10 one twos personally but that is just my opinion.

Vettel now is considered probably the fastest driver in F1 but most of it is from the car. He marginally beat his teammate in qualifying pace last season, unlike Alonso and Lewis who dominated theres and normally by quite big margins. I think Vettel is not the fastest driver in F1 as many would like you to believe and in the same car Alonso and Hamilton would beat Vettel all day long in my opinion. However I rate Vettel still highly as Webber is considered a fast driver too and what I like most about Vettel is he can deliver quick qualifying times under pressure last year and also his wittiness. He probably is close to being as fast as Lewis and Alonso but I don’t think his race craft is anywhere near theres. I mean the move on Button on Spa last year, what was he thinking and then also the excuse of how early Button broke.

The final one I keep on hearing is Hamilton only won due to having the best / fastest cars. I think that Hamilton was the only driver to win the world championship, the last decade without the team winning the constructors championship if I’m not mistaken. He had a good teammate in 2008 who has beaten all of his other teammates in F1. Heikki finished 7th in the Renault in 2007 and the same in 2008 in the winning McLaren. This also I believe is a fact that Hamilton won the championship with the biggest margin in places between his teammate in the championship in the last decade or possibly longer. In 2007 the pairing of Alonso and Lewis could have flattered the McLaren compared to the Ferrari.

Anyway back to the plank, how do you know it is below legal requirement due to excessive wear? Also I’m sure the people who scrutineer the car would have disqualified Hamilton if his car did go against what is acceptable in the rule book. They definately check the cars out, look what happened to Sauber.

I don't understand it either. I don't like the kid or how SpeedTV shows his girlfriend in the pits ALL THE TIME. It seems things were handed to him in 2007.

How were things handed to him in 2007, he worked his way up through the Formulas all of them which he dominated. McLaren tested him out against Alonso and found him to be as fast as the defending double world champion. He earned it all on merit.
 
Interesting race because of the tires.

Nice to see more cars battling.

Are Red Bull required to engage KERS during race?

Hmmmm, Seb quicker without KERS compared to Hamilton with KERS?

Anyone know?
 
Are Red Bull required to engage KERS during race?
No. Lotus and Virgin don't even have KERS.

How were things handed to him in 2007, he worked his way up through the Formulas all of them which he dominated. McLaren tested him out against Alonso and found him to be as fast as the defending double world champion. He earned it all on merit.
I don't remember many rookies being given a drive at McLaren. It's an opinion me not liking Hamilton. Get over it.
 
Hamilton may be crash prone just because he has fewer dnf's than others doesnt mean he is any less crash prone. Most of his DNF's may be from crashes while others might have had a lot of mechanical failures.
 
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