2012 F1 Mechanics: designs and pieces that will win WDC & WCC

LMSCorvetteGT2
Thanks and it's good, and I'm sure we'll move on. I just wanted to give praise to Marussia is all. I may retract the praise by the end of the season though, but for now not a bad openning to their season. I was wrong about sticking up for HRT though for the moment.

Are you sure it isn't a show car? Merc GP had a show last year that looked like the MGP-W01 and not the MGP-W02.
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They probably took out the engine and other interior parts, but that carbon fibre looked very real. They had it roped off, so you had to stay about 2 feet away; but it looked pretty much identical to the RB7.
 
jcm
They probably took out the engine and other interior parts, but that carbon fibre looked very real. They had it roped off, so you had to stay about 2 feet away; but it looked pretty much identical to the RB7.
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Well it still may be an RB8 but just a show car with a different nose, not sure since I didn't see it. Just giving a suggestion of what you might have seen. You could be right though it may have been the wrong car.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Well it still may be an RB8 but just a show car with a different nose, not sure since I didn't see it. Just giving a suggestion of what you might have seen. You could be right though it may have been the wrong car.
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I think it was just the sign that was wrong. It had a paragraph talking about the RB7, then says that it's an RB8. It looked like an RB7 in every way except that sign and those plastic tires :lol:

EDIT: Got my numbers slightly mixed up. I meant to say it was an RB6. Still, Infinity, learn to make a sign.
 
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New upgrades to the ferrari after Mugello test.

Oh and a bit off topic but the new HRT Facility looks amazing from the limited pictures I've seen.
http://www.hrtf1team.com/en/noticias/jean-todt-presidente-de-la-fia-visita-las-nuevas-instalaciones-del-hrt-formula-1-team.html
 
I am not really seeing much new stuff except for the parts around the exhaust. If I remember correctly, they said everything underneath the car is brand new?
 
hawkeye122
Errrm... Whats new about it? The camera angles are messing with me.
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The exhaust exits much closer to the actual car. The old version had an exhaust pipe like a periscope, but the new version is tucked in closer to the bodywork.
 
Looks like the lower rear winglet is lower, too. So instead of sealing off the edges of the diffuser, they're...?
 
You know what? I take back every critiscism I made of the governing body on the decision to ban the blown diffuser. I was strongly opposed to the ban, but after the start of this season it's difficult to envisage anyone wanting to go back to how it was before (Except maybe Red Bull and it's fans).

Five races, five different winners, god knows how many on podiums. We got a win from a Williams and Lotus/Sauber have almost had winners too. Mclaren, Red Bull and Ferrari have all come back to the field, and as a result the racing is excellent.

This is certainly the best season i've ever seen so far (Even though my favourite driver is doing poorly). It certainly makes up for the bore-fest of 2011.
 
Pertty much every argument in favour of the blown diffuser could be countered with "but without the blown diffusers, it takes more skill to drive the car", which is a very difficult positiont to attack.
 
prisonermonkeys
Pertty much every argument in favour of the blown diffuser could be countered with "but without the blown diffusers, it takes more skill to drive the car", which is a very difficult positiont to attack.
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I think the main arguments put forth by me were wasted costs from development (Not just the big teams, smaller outfits too - though ties in with engine suppliers) and also the issue that the rule used to ban it was very ambiguous; I do not believe that exhaust gases were a driver operated aerodynamic device. Like many things in F1, exhaust gases created are a secondary effect of the engines, which the teams should have been able to utilise to the extent they like.

I also think perhaps the 'takes more skill to drive the car' is flawed too. The Blown diffuser meant that for most cars (i.e. all but Red Bull and Mclaren) it was difficult to find a balance. The EBD moved the centre of pressure as there was a disproportionate amount of downforce at the rear which made it harder to find a balance whilst utilising the full downforce available. It's similar to how Red Bull struggled with the double diffuser in 2009, as their car was so well balanced initially, it was difficult to implement the double diffuser without radically changing the balance.

But none of these arguments can counteract the fact that the teams are now closer together on pace, the races are more mixed up and exciting, we've seen 2 new race winners so far this year in cars that didn't have much of a chance last year, and we could yet see Grosjean, Perez, Kobayashi etc. take wins over the course of the season. All we need now is the 3 'new' teams to mix with the midfield. I guess there is always next year.
 
Seismica
You know what? I take back every critiscism I made of the governing body on the decision to ban the blown diffuser. I was strongly opposed to the ban, but after the start of this season it's difficult to envisage anyone wanting to go back to how it was before (Except maybe Red Bull and it's fans).

Five races, five different winners, god knows how many on podiums. We got a win from a Williams and Lotus/Sauber have almost had winners too. Mclaren, Red Bull and Ferrari have all come back to the field, and as a result the racing is excellent.

This is certainly the best season i've ever seen so far (Even though my favourite driver is doing poorly). It certainly makes up for the bore-fest of 2011.
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What about Nico and his first win, as well as giving Merc GP a win which they haven't had since the 50s for obvious reasons.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
What about Nico and his first win, as well as giving Merc GP a win which they haven't had since the 50s for obvious reasons.
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Yep;

Seismica
But none of these arguments can counteract the fact that the teams are now closer together on pace, the races are more mixed up and exciting, we've seen 2 new race winners so far this year in cars that didn't have much of a chance last year, and we could yet see Grosjean, Perez, Kobayashi etc. take wins over the course of the season. All we need now is the 3 'new' teams to mix with the midfield. I guess there is always next year.
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:sly:

But again, it just shows how mixed up it had been. For the past 3 years the sport has been dominated by 5 drivers between 3 teams. Now there are 7 cars capable of winning (Mclaren, Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari and of course Williams, plus Lotus and Sauber have both had a second place finish and been consistently high in the points). I'm willing to bet a Lotus wins in Monaco.
 
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Prince.M5
So, what will happen to Webber's win in Monaco?
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The same thing that always happens in situations like this - nothing.

The parts are only illegal from the moment the FIA declare them to be illegal. They cannot - and will not - go back and retroactively change results.
 
I see.. Fair enough then. Although I don't think the loss of the new floor will affect them much in Canada.
 
Yup. They were doomed in Canada, anyway.

I see Monaco as a special case... a place where the RBR has got the tire wear, lightness and economy just right... everywhere else, they're back to being stuck behind several other teams again.
 
niky
Yup. They were doomed in Canada, anyway.

I see Monaco as a special case... a place where the RBR has got the tire wear, lightness and economy just right... everywhere else, they're back to being stuck behind several other teams again.
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I think Webber was rather lucky that Schuamcher had that penalty, because considering that he barely finished ahead of Rosberg, the Mercedes was perhaps the car to beat in Monaco in terms of overall pace, surprisingly.

Then again, with every team pretty much trying not to push so as to be in a solid position for the rain that never came, it's hard to judge really.
 
As I have pointed out in another thread, let's not get ahead of ourselves here. That article was published almost five hours ago, yet neither Autosport, the official F1 site or the Red Bull Racing site have published so much as a peep on the matter.

Either the site PM has quoted has an inside source (although you'd at least expect a press release by now) or they are making it up.
 
Well obviously the RBR will be different at Canada, Mclaren have an attention to detail it seems as I heard they were the first or one of the first to catch it and then give RBR the chance to remove it before taking it up with the FIA. Too bad Mclaren did it before Monaco gp start up.
 

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