2013 Formula 1 United States Grand Prix

Wardez
If you can find spectacle in that, that's great, but I can't. I wonder how you'd feel after a few season of that though.
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There is a world of difference between honest sport with flat out racing and passing caused by forcing mistakes and the current contrived joke that is F1. I've watched F1 for a long time. This is the first time I've got genuinely bored with it.
 
I'm pretty sure if Pirelli made their tyres like the early '00s Bridgestones and refueling was brought back and KERS and DRS was kept I'm sure that would please the people that want to see drivers flat out the entire race and also the people who want to see 300 overtakes in a race.
 
It's not about having a bunch of overtakes, it's about providing a formula where the teams can actually go different ways about their strategy. I'd take ten years of these Pirelli's (which were only ruined because of the bad design of the steel belted pre-Hungary tires, they've always should've stuck with the kevlar), over fuel "strategy."


niky
The problem is not the tires. The problem is the cars are too competent. The cars are too fast.

If racing cars are correctly set up, then they will make the best time on the racing line, and any overtaking attempt is doomed. Especially if the drivers are afraid of damage or penalties for banging wheels.

Then, you rely on teams getting the set ups wrong or drivers making mistakes.

Without the "artificially" fragile tires, most drivers on the grid are competent enough not to make mistakes that will lead to an overtake. Even if a guy is slow enough to hold you back to the tune of half-a-second a lap, like, say, Jarno Trulli in a Toyota, Formula 1 cars are fast enough that a slingshot (without DRS or KERS) will not work within a 1,000 meter straight. Obviously, though, the fans don't want them to be slower.

If we want overtaking in F1, we need to remove more downforce. Remove more mechanical grip. Give the cars rear tires that can't cope with 1,000 horses.

But there's a fine balancing act. If we make F1 cars too slow, then it will no longer be F1 for the fans. It'll be just another open-wheel series.

The racing is not great this year partially because of the tires. But also because they changed formulas halfway, and Red Bull came up roses. If we kept on with the tires at the start of the season, Vettel will probably still have won, (because Red Bull can definitely outdevelop Ferrari and Lotus) but he would have had to work for it more.
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Exactly, they need to give these drivers a challenge, but not so much that it becomes the whole game, which is what it is now.
 
jimipitbull
Replay is currently on Australian TV.
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I know. It's on Japanese tv too :lol:. I'm watching the replay right now on BS Fuji (as I was ridiculously drunk and passed out in my bed during the race last night). Point is, he doesn't need to give us a running commentary.
 
Should we tell him who won or should we let it dawn on him that we are all psychic?
 
This shot of Bottas jumping out his parade car is now one of my favorite F1 photos ever, just awesome, and yes, those are the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders:

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F1 fan
Max Chilton won it on three wheels... Actually, since I'm making things up, I might as well get creative... Mark Webber won.
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I was going to say that Webber won and the the engine failed before reaching parc ferme.
 
Blitz24
I was going to say that Webber won and the the engine failed before reaching parc ferme.
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He wouldn't get penalized for that though. As long as he had enough fuel for a sample, it's fine.
 
Still fine. When he pushed it over the finish line himself though, that's a disqualification right there.
 
He appealed, based on Nigel Mansell's past heroics (Lotus pushing). But it seems you only avoid disqualification if you faint. And wear a moustache. No luck for Webber this year then.
 
Wardez
This shot of Bottas jumping out his parade car is now one of my favorite F1 photos ever, just awesome, and yes, those are the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders:
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Like a boss.
 
Thanks guys! I'm still pretty new to this so that means a lot. Just trying to get a little better each time out. Believe it or not I'm still working on my Sunday pics. Not sure the quality will be quite as good. Tough light, at least for my skills. I hope to get them posted today.
 

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