2014 NASCAR Thread

  • Thread starter Jahgee
  • 9,025 comments
  • 292,977 views
Just forbid Cup drivers from racing in Nationwide entirely. But neither my idea or yours will ever happen because the grids need to be filled, Buschwhackers will be outraged, and most of all there would be money lost.
They'd be outraged because they can't even win in Cup, and they're losing their free passes? Yeah, too bad, I'll definitely be shedding crocodile tears if someone has the stones to pull that off.

Your constant thinking of Danica Patrick being given the free pass on purpose amuses me. The caution that brought her back on the lead lap was for Clint Bowyer pounding the wall. Not for some silly "ermagherd invizibul dibree!" reason. And provided, damaged race cars will always be a hazard on the race track even if the majority of the field has passed it as the race car could leave its own debris on the track, or stop at anytime.

Hey, she's finished in the top 10 three times this season, more times than you would have ever expected. There's no reason to say she isn't still crap but I expect her to have a breakthrough season next year. Nothing extremely impressive, but a few top 5 finishes at least.
It's not that she'd always get them on purpose, but the fact Patrick's completely incapable of a lead lap finish without getting the free pass. That's pathetic, when you look at Harvick and Busch consistently (ok, in Busch's case, not so much) racking up good runs.

Then why are you still watching NASCAR? Formula 1 is still going on. And while I'm not familiar with series like the BTCC, WTCC, WRC, DTM, or many other racing leagues across the pond, I can tell you right now there have to be championships still going on for you to watch.

And there's no reason to mention SOPA.
I'm actually not watching at all, save for the occasional road course or plate race. I guess I just like to complain about its state then. Oh, and F1 is basically Mercedes and the rest, no matter how hard I try, I just can't give a 🤬.

SOPA is not a small issue though. I think Go Daddy has got away too easily with their open support for a law whose proposal should be made illegal before one of these crazy bills actually goes through and screws up the free internet. Another reason I heavily dislike them, which I forgot to mention in my previous post, is their treatment of male drivers.
 
Back home from Joliet.

Pretty good race today. Almost made up for the somewhat boring Truck and NW races. I got to drink a bunch of beer while getting a sunburn, plus I got a bunch of free snacks from the FanFest area. We had pit passes for all 3 days too, so that was fun.

All in all, a nice weekend.
 
It's not that she'd always get them on purpose, but the fact Patrick's completely incapable of a lead lap finish without getting the free pass. That's pathetic, when you look at Harvick and Busch consistently (ok, in Busch's case, not so much) racking up good runs.

So your comparing to her to drivers that are on completely different levels? I really don't see how that's even slightly fair even if they are teammates.
 
Back home from Joliet.

Pretty good race today. Almost made up for the somewhat boring Truck and NW races. I got to drink a bunch of beer while getting a sunburn, plus I got a bunch of free snacks from the FanFest area. We had pit passes for all 3 days too, so that was fun.

All in all, a nice weekend.
It's not NASCAR if you don't drink a bunch of beer and get sunburnt!!!
 
So your comparing to her to drivers that are on completely different levels? I really don't see how that's even slightly fair even if they are teammates.
That about answers it.

Not on the level of her teammates? Not good enough for the job then, better get someone else.
 
So your comparing to her to drivers that are on completely different levels? I really don't see how that's even slightly fair even if they are teammates.

I'm still waiting for the similar week on week rantings about Stenhouse doing nothing in Roush equipment or Dillon in RCR cars... oh wait...
 
They'd be outraged because they can't even win in Cup, and they're losing their free passes? Yeah, too bad, I'll definitely be shedding crocodile tears if someone has the stones to pull that off.
Only a small number of them have few wins or have not yet won in Cup. Paul Menard? Kyle Larson?
It's not that she'd always get them on purpose, but the fact Patrick's completely incapable of a lead lap finish without getting the free pass. That's pathetic, when you look at Harvick and Busch consistently (ok, in Busch's case, not so much) racking up good runs.
She has eleven lead lap finishes this year. How many with the free pass? I counted five, but most of which involved an accident (and in the case of Richmond, the drunk guy on the fence).

Also keep in mind that this is only Danica's 2nd full-time season in Cup, transitioning from IndyCar (open-wheeled racing) to stock cars. Sam Hornish Jr. did awful in his Cup stints but I don't hear you having a bone to pick with him.
I'm actually not watching at all, save for the occasional road course or plate race. I guess I just like to complain about its state then. Oh, and F1 is basically Mercedes and the rest, no matter how hard I try, I just can't give a 🤬.
If you aren't even watching the races then you don't have enough info to back up your claims, because you aren't actually seeing what happens on the track.
SOPA is not a small issue though. I think Go Daddy has got away too easily with their open support for a law whose proposal should be made illegal before one of these crazy bills actually goes through and screws up the free internet. Another reason I heavily dislike them, which I forgot to mention in my previous post, is their treatment of male drivers.
And it has to do with NASCAR because...?
 
For Ricky he's done better than Danica. And Roush has been struggling this year compared to the other teams, with Danica driving for what can be considered Hendrick Motorsports' brother. While Ricky Stenhouse may be the better of the two, Danica Patrick is still getting better as the races progress.
 
That about answers it.

Not on the level of her teammates? Not good enough for the job then, better get someone else.

And what driver would you suggest? Keep in mind they would need to bring a big enough sponsor to replace GoDaddy (I don't care what your views are on them, they are the reason Kurt even has a seat there). She is a pay driver, her job is to bring the team funding without damaging too many cars, she does a decent job at it too.

I don't like Danica, I also don't bring her up solely to talk about how much I hate people talking about her. I seriously think the anti-Danica crowd is worse than the pro-Danica crowd.
 
Only a small number of them have few wins or have not yet won in Cup. Paul Menard? Kyle Larson?
Kyle Busch hasn't won for a while. I know he likes to build up false confidence by busch/truckwhacking at every chance he gets, but it won't get him anywhere. In fact, people who focus this much on the Busch Series have generally not been as successful in Cup as their talent would suggest.

She has eleven lead lap finishes this year. How many with the free pass? I counted five, but most of which involved an accident (and in the case of Richmond, the drunk guy on the fence).

Also keep in mind that this is only Danica's 2nd full-time season in Cup, transitioning from IndyCar (open-wheeled racing) to stock cars. Sam Hornish Jr. did awful in his Cup stints but I don't hear you having a bone to pick with him.
A free pass is a free pass. Whether it's because of an accident or not, it doesn't change the fact those lead lap finishes would've never happened if not for a free pass. Eleven lead lap finishes in a SHR car, even if all were without relying on free passes, is kinda pathetic as a matter of fact.

Hornish's transition wasn't admittedly a major success, but at least now he's made the sensible choice of heading over to Nationwide and improve his driving there.

Also, just throwing a comparison: Kurt Busch, her teammate, jumped from his rookie season overall finish of 27th straight to 3rd in just one year. The equipment wasn't that much better than last season, the driver just showed clear improvement. Patrick, on the other hand, has thus far gone from 27th to... 28th. This season she's not embarrassing herself by getting defeated by a Front Row Motorsports driver in points, but man, I recall a lot of people saying Patrick would be a top 20 overall driver this year. I love it when optimistic predictions go wrong about a "racer" who only exists in that seat because of having a vagina. A male driver of her talent would never pick up an SHR ride.

If you aren't even watching the races then you don't have enough info to back up your claims, because you aren't actually seeing what happens on the track.
Maybe. Those statistics don't lie about free passes though.

And it has to do with NASCAR because...?
It doesn't. Well, except for the fact I think Go Daddy, which is a NA$CAR sponsor, should be boycotted much more harshly than now.
 
I can't really criticize Stenhouse on a fair basis when he's driving the equivalent of the Flintstones machine.

Larson did what he could to make it an entertaining finish. Otherwise, a forgettable weekend and it only furthers cements my idea to cut the season down to 26 races.
 
Can anyone still deny Keselowski is a top-tier talent now?

Who is? I don't seem to see that, only complaints being he acts like a brat (Martinsville and Richmond come to mind).

It's not NASCAR if you don't drink a bunch of beer and get sunburnt!!!

Don't forget the compulsory funny hat.

And what driver would you suggest? Keep in mind they would need to bring a big enough sponsor to replace GoDaddy (I don't care what your views are on them, they are the reason Kurt even has a seat there). She is a pay driver, her job is to bring the team funding without damaging too many cars, she does a decent job at it too.

I don't like Danica, I also don't bring her up solely to talk about how much I hate people talking about her. I seriously think the anti-Danica crowd is worse than the pro-Danica crowd.

Glad I ditched the train. There's only so much hate you can do before you just begin to make yourself look bad.
 
I'm sure with a better team Larson could run with top-tier drivers, but it doesn't look like anyone but Roush, which is probably about as good as Ganassi, is looking for a driver at the moment.
 
Larson has been doing that as a rookie in some races with Ganassi. I really can't see him going anywhere either- he's in a really good spot right now.
 
I don't know, I feel even Ganassi has been better then Roush (they just had terrible luck that skews their results). Hell, Aric Almorola was running better then all the Roush cars and he's in equipment that's considered the lowest of the totem pole at Ford (minus the Road Courses because based Ambrose).
 
I know people felt the Indycar season was short but they made the smart move not to compete with Football, while NASCAR continues their pathetic attempt to compete with them (which is a terrible idea for a niche sport).
 
Did anyone else catch the part when Rusty Wallace referred to Newman as "Burton"? Ward Burton hasn't driven the CAT car in what, 10 years? :lol:
 
Kyle Busch hasn't won for a while. I know he likes to build up false confidence by busch/truckwhacking at every chance he gets, but it won't get him anywhere. In fact, people who focus this much on the Busch Series have generally not been as successful in Cup as their talent would suggest.
He won four races last year. While also winning twelve Nationwide races.
A free pass is a free pass. Whether it's because of an accident or not, it doesn't change the fact those lead lap finishes would've never happened if not for a free pass. Eleven lead lap finishes in a SHR car, even if all were without relying on free passes, is kinda pathetic as a matter of fact.
And it's also pathetic that Martin Truex, Jr. - who won a race last year - is doing awful in the Furniture Row Racing Chevrolet that brought Kurt Busch to the Chase before. And won at Darlington with Regan Smith in 2011. Truex having accomplished more than Kurt Busch last year and only getting screwed over because of Spingate, why is he doing so terrible all of a sudden?
Hornish's transition wasn't admittedly a major success, but at least now he's made the sensible choice of heading over to Nationwide and improve his driving there.
After what, three years of full-time Cup competition, something that Danica Patrick is yet to have completed? And Hornish might just be done in NASCAR, only running part-time Nationwide this year with no presence in Cup this year as of September.
Also, just throwing a comparison: Kurt Busch, her teammate, jumped from his rookie season overall finish of 27th straight to 3rd in just one year. The equipment wasn't that much better than last season, the driver just showed clear improvement. Patrick, on the other hand, has thus far gone from 27th to... 28th. This season she's not embarrassing herself by getting defeated by a Front Row Motorsports driver in points, but man, I recall a lot of people saying Patrick would be a top 20 overall driver this year. I love it when optimistic predictions go wrong about a "racer" who only exists in that seat because of having a vagina. A male driver of her talent would never pick up an SHR ride.
And Jeff Burton finished 24th in his rookie year and dropped like a rock to 32nd the year after. Fast-forward to 1997 where he started to win multiple races per-season.

Keep in mind that some of Danica Patrick's DNF's were mechanical failures when she was having a good run (most notably Indianapolis). Others she crashed, some her fault, some caused by others.

Paul Menard doesn't have a vagina, and he isn't the best. But the reason RCR keeps him is the fact that he brings dough to the organization through the way of his family's company.
Maybe. Those statistics don't lie about free passes though.
It does, because unless you're watching you have no clue about the circumstances from the drop of the green to the checkered flag. About the only things you knew about the race - I'm guessing - is what we've posted here, or what the NASCAR Live Leaderboard said.
It doesn't. Well, except for the fact I think Go Daddy, which is a NA$CAR sponsor, should be boycotted much more harshly than now.
Your criticism of GoDaddy.com is your own problem, not mine.
 
He won four races last year. While also winning twelve Nationwide races.

People like to say KB won't win a championship and they could be right but I doubt it's because of running more races or lower series. He is one who enjoys racing, yes winning doesn't hurt but people are so blinded by things they aren't seeing the biggest picture with him. He isn't the only guy who would like to race more, or can afford to but one of the few who actually does it. He has built a top truck team and employees alot of folks, that's huge these days....also helps smaller teams out. Nemco is one of their customers!

And it's also pathetic that Martin Truex, Jr. - who won a race last year - is doing awful in the Furniture Row Racing Chevrolet that brought Kurt Busch to the Chase before. And won at Darlington with Regan Smith in 2011. Truex having accomplished more than Kurt Busch last year and only getting screwed over because of Spingate, why is he doing so terrible all of a sudden?

Truex has never been much of a threat in Cup, I think his time at MWR they found a good package for them as a team along with Bowyer...now that is all messed up. They went from 2 chase guys, multiple wins to being a top 15-20 team most weeks at this rate.....they lost alot after last year. As far as Regan, I'm not a fan but he was one who wanted the most the day he won....but that doesn't mean he deserve a top ride anymore. Kurt has some of the best talent in the garage but he isn't easy on cars or himself, so that' plays a big part of the difference at times.

After what, three years of full-time Cup competition, something that Danica Patrick is yet to have completed? And Hornish might just be done in NASCAR, only running part-time Nationwide this year with no presence in Cup this year as of September.

And Jeff Burton finished 24th in his rookie year and dropped like a rock to 32nd the year after. Fast-forward to 1997 where he started to win multiple races per-season.

BK didn't do so hot his first year in Cup (not the few races but first year with Penske), then look what happened. It can be done, but most don't have it happen. If you ask me Danica's talent level in racing in most series will always be somewhere in the mid pack or back. You can't have everyone be a top talent even if in the top series of any form of motorsport, I've said this time and time again. Mother nature's rules always will play out no matter how the hand is stacked. Just look at Cup, there are really on any given weekend 8-12 drivers who can win without stepping foot on the track, most of the field will finish between about 12-32ish are somewhat close in talent levels (that can change a touch depending on track, car) and the back markers will normally always be there no matter what car you put them in on a track. Look at Landon Cassill, his cars are closer to the lower half of the field around 30-40th and he usually runs alot better in both series.

Keep in mind that some of Danica Patrick's DNF's were mechanical failures when she was having a good run (most notably Indianapolis). Others she crashed, some her fault, some caused by others.

Parts failure is a part but she hasn't exactly been making noise before that either. I think that's the biggest reason we see the issue around her being in a top ride. If she was battling top 5 then engine blows or a wreck or something...most will over look it saying she was racing upfront. If it happens in 30th....big difference to most considering the car itself she is driving.

Paul Menard doesn't have a vagina, and he isn't the best. But the reason RCR keeps him is the fact that he brings dough to the organization through the way of his family's company.

Valid point but it isn't as if he is running 35th each week either. You can't count him out a most 1.5 milers these days, and has almost got a few wins this year if things had played out a little better.

It does, because unless you're watching you have no clue about the circumstances from the drop of the green to the checkered flag. About the only things you knew about the race - I'm guessing - is what we've posted here, or what the NASCAR Live Leaderboard said.

Your criticism of GoDaddy.com is your own problem, not mine.


Only a small number of them have few wins or have not yet won in Cup. Paul Menard? Kyle Larson?

Both those guys have either been close to win this year along, or have actual wins (Menard 2 NW, 1 Cup and Larson 2 NW).


She has eleven lead lap finishes this year. How many with the free pass? I counted five, but most of which involved an accident (and in the case of Richmond, the drunk guy on the fence).

This result is a little mislead, she isn't the only one who has gotten that to get a better finish. Jeff Gordon did recently to help him some, so the fact she is even able to get it does show she is improving.

Also keep in mind that this is only Danica's 2nd full-time season in Cup, transitioning from IndyCar (open-wheeled racing) to stock cars. Sam Hornish Jr. did awful in his Cup stints but I don't hear you having a bone to pick with him.

Hornish had a crappy Cup stats at first but NW was a different ballgame, but yet Danica has been racing in stock cars for what 5-6 years now with NO wins and never really a threat. It's the biggest difference I see between those regardless. JPM didn't have a ton of success but he did win and pull of some very good races to have something go wrong. Danica has had some bad luck but what driver hasn't either.

If you aren't even watching the races then you don't have enough info to back up your claims, because you aren't actually seeing what happens on the track.

And it has to do with NASCAR because...?


It's not hard to run 17th. Considering he doesn't give anyone an inch and drives like a Danica, he's done well

It's harder to run top 20 than you give credit for....how many of the top 10 have made a chase more than by luck. Kurt, Jeff, Jimmie, Kurt, Tony, Dale Jr, Kevin, Kyle, Denny, Brad, Joey, Ryan, Greg, Carl, Matt, Kasey.....that's just ones who tend to run pretty decently on a weekly basis.....and you can see how hard top 20's can be at times on some tracks.
 

Latest Posts

Back