2014 United Sports Car Championship

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I'd really like to see those articles on how NASCAR hands out subsidies. I guarantee that even if they did, Don Panoz did just as much subsidizing in the ALMS if now more when they had an actual prototype grid. What team owner in their right mind would not run a series that you could make a guaranteed profit off of courtesy of the sanctioning body where the other one didn't and was more expensive to run as is based on operating cost.
That's fine if they do that, but when it goes away you don't get to complain about it.

http://www.autoweek.com/article/gra...mpse-grand-am-rolex-series-financial-troubles

Marshall Pruitt was able to confirm that a "Substantial" number of teams got similar deals.

The few rich guys that raced the ALMS(not all the rich guys chose the ALMS) because they had a class structure where they were pretty much guaranteed a good result and because they had a ratings system where the funded driver didn't have to race all the professionals.
Ed Brown was never guaranteed a good result.
3rd isn't good if it's a class of 4 cars. They know that.

There are more full season DP teams after the updates than the WEC has LMP2 teams. ELMS doesn't exactly have stellar numbers either. Counting the DW as a full season entrant, there are I believe the same number of IMSA Prototypes as WEC LMP2 and ELMS LMP2 entries for their seasons. Hardly making it work if you ask me
Except 2 of those cars are funded by a sole business at the discretion of their owner/driver. All of the P2 cars in the ELMS and WEC (except SMP) are paid for on a business basis.

Aside from the inaugural season of the DP, there has never been fewer than 9 full season entrants. Subsidized or not, that's more than making it work.
I don't think paying people to show up counts as working.

I doubt Rebellion could find 4 renters for said program unless they didn't need the money from the renters then they could just find an obscure silver rated driver who's got pro level speed and experience and mop the floor.
You missed the point. Rebellion have enough money that they WASTE cubic dollars on their own P1 car with no chance of winning. Are they in the press whining about cost? Nope. They're upset with the lack of entrants.

Getting rid of GTLM would certainly hurt the series short term
And the long term.

but grand am never had a factory GT program and they got by.
Did they? They had to buy out a competing series. If the product was so good, they would've let the ALMS sink itself.
Regardless, the buyout was supposed to stop people from "Getting by" and start creating something awesome. Why do you just want to get by? Let's grow the fan base! Let's have manufacturers spend money! Let's have customers lining up to buy the cars!

Unless NASCAR was dropping enough subsidies into the series to pay for a DP grid of 15+ and GT grids of 15+ for a whole decade, I don't see that logic.
Only DP teams were receiving subsidies as I recall. Regardless, this comment was made intentionally in such a way to be a bit condescending. Kind of upsetting that you're trying to make this personal, when I'm only putting facts on the ground.

I really don't think it would change a whole lot after the first year of not having the factory teams. Get them building a customer car for the privateers like Porsche, Ferrari, Audi, Ford, and others do and support them. That gets all that money back into the series helping the privateers compete as well. Everyone wins.
If the manufacturers leave then the marketing stops, and the sport can't grow. Nobody is going to rally around Jeroen Bleekemolen, if anyone becomes a household name, it'll be from a Factory car.

Try to explain why these 2 Ferrari 458s aren't in the same class to someone who doesn't know a lot about sports car racing.
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One is closer to the road car, driven by rich guys, the other is more of a custom-built race car, a bit harder to drive, but faster. Designed for the pros.

If they can't handle that explanation, then they aren't cut out for anything. Either they accept what it is because they want to be a fan, or they aren't interested anyway and it doesn't matter.

You seem to dwell on the glory days of Grand Am, that's gone now. If they were doing so well, they wouldn't have needed to buy the ALMS out. If the ALMS were doing it right, they wouldn't have let themselves be bought out.
 
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I dare you to explain to the casual fan ANYTHING about Sports Car Racing. Racing in itself is already a niche sport.
And this is what is holding sports car racing apart. Not enough people have the attention span to understand it. Most of the people at races have no idea about and/or could care less about what material the chassis is made of, what BoP is, or what tires are on the cars or what driver requirements are in place. Most people go (from experience going to plenty of Rolex and ALMS races) to drink beer and watch cars race. They don't care what's there as long as it's a decent race.

Making the sport understandable to more people is what will grow the sport. Making the sport so complicated only the people that already would follow it can understand it is pretty counter-intuitive in my books not saying you've made that claim.

My personal opinion is that grand am was much more entertaining to watch as well as easier to follow than the ALMS. That doesn't mean grand am was perfect, and it doesn't mean the ALMS is all bad. Grand am had a rope of sand for officiating for years, and never was very consistent with penalty calls. Grand am also kinda hit the nail on the head one too many times with the DP as well because the engine selection was a take your pick of 5.0L V8s which sound very awesome, but it's the same sound out of every car that looks pretty much the same regardless of chassis. The Corvette DP was their best idea where each mfr. can come up with a specific bodywork based off of a street car making the class more easily discernable as to who's racing what. They also had great grids. I don't think there were any subsidies except possibly in 03 trying to get the series going by helping teams get the DP chassis. Believe what you want there.

That's fine if they do that, but when it goes away you don't get to complain about it.
I don't know. I really think a budget that's now more than double what it was subsidies or not is reason enough to be a little salty
Ed Brown was never guaranteed a good result.
3rd isn't good if it's a class of 4 cars. They know that.
It's not as hard to beat 1 other team.
Even if you aren't as good as the one other team, all it takes is enough races and you'll win a few. Harder to do that in a class that's got plenty of teams. I can't say I blame them when you have the kind of dough Ed Brown does.

Except 2 of those cars are funded by a sole business at the discretion of their owner/driver. All of the P2 cars in the ELMS and WEC (except SMP) are paid for on a business basis.
That just shows just how few renters there actually are in the sports car racing business when there are as many teams able to run pro-pro lineups in a regional as there are renters worldwide

I don't think paying people to show up counts as working.
Better call the ALMS, ELMS, WEC, AsLMS, etc. failures too then.
You missed the point. Rebellion have enough money that they WASTE cubic dollars on their own P1 car with no chance of winning. Are they in the press whining about cost? Nope. They're upset with the lack of entrants.
Nah, you're missing the point. They're mad that no one else is racing a class taylor made just for them.
And the long term.
Not necessarily
Did they? They had to buy out a competing series. If the product was so good, they would've let the ALMS sink itself.
Regardless, the buyout was supposed to stop people from "Getting by" and start creating something awesome. Why do you just want to get by? Let's grow the fan base! Let's have manufacturers spend money! Let's have customers lining up to buy the cars!
The buyout was to lock in all the big sports car races under one series in hopes of growing the sport beyond the divide that had grown. Not to mention the ALMS ship was taking on water fast, and Panoz sold out for a bargain while he still could. IMSA has done a better job of marketing than Grand am or the ALMS ever did which is the biggest positive out of the whole thing.
Only DP teams were receiving subsidies as I recall. Regardless, this comment was made intentionally in such a way to be a bit condescending. Kind of upsetting that you're trying to make this personal, when I'm only putting facts on the ground.
I believe MP put out an article where Felix Sebates' ex wife made the claims of subsidies in court. If that's true (I wouldn't be shocked or surprised), once again, it's a matter of fact deal. Can't really argue with a woman filing for divorce :lol: It's nothing personal, but that's not guaranteed facts. Don't know why I would make anything said on an online forum personal. Just a different perspective that usually isn't the popular one
If the manufacturers leave then the marketing stops, and the sport can't grow. Nobody is going to rally around Jeroen Bleekemolen, if anyone becomes a household name, it'll be from a Factory car.
I'd venture to say more people know about Patrick Dempsey in America than every factory race car driver on the planet
One is closer to the road car, driven by rich guys, the other is more of a custom-built race car, a bit harder to drive, but faster. Designed for the pros.

If they can't handle that explanation, then they aren't cut out for anything. Either they accept what it is because they want to be a fan, or they aren't interested anyway and it doesn't matter.
I think simplification only helps people out. My dad has followed sports car racing for years, and he can't tell you the difference between an LMP1, LMP2, and a FLM/PC chassis without seeing the class identifier and having known what that means and where to look. He couldn't tell a Riley from a Dallara or a Coyote in grand am either before the gen 3 update.

You seem to dwell on the glory days of Grand Am, that's gone now. If they were doing so well, they wouldn't have needed to buy the ALMS out. If the ALMS were doing it right, they wouldn't have let themselves be bought out.
From the way I understood the buyout, Panoz made an offer that grand am/NASCAR would've been dumb not to take. Plus, the general fan consensus was that the 2 needed to become a single series. I was always in the one series boat and still am. I'm positive about what's to come. I think we'll see some really good stuff here towards the end of this season and onto next.
 
All of this being said, I really enjoyed the Rolex 24 this year being at the race. There was the largest crowd I've seen since I've been going (every year since 03) which makes sense. There are a lot of positives to come. We've got teams like Andretti now becoming players in the series hopefully. It's getting better, and I know it'll be a very good series if the teams stay bought in
 
I just hope that NASCAR can get IMSA a better TV package in future seasons. If the racing could be on Fox instead of FS1 (in the States) for example, the races could be shown to a larger audience. The racing is great, and the TV coverage is actually good as is, but I'd love to see it on the main channels instead of the sports channels. Pretty much every TV package has a Fox station on it, but not every package has Fox Sports 1 (and especially not Fox Sports 2).
 
All of this being said, I really enjoyed the Rolex 24 this year being at the race. There was the largest crowd I've seen since I've been going (every year since 03) which makes sense. There are a lot of positives to come. We've got teams like Andretti now becoming players in the series hopefully. It's getting better, and I know it'll be a very good series if the teams stay bought in
Whoa whoa whoa, hold the phone chief, Andretti Autosport could be coming in?
 
Whoa whoa whoa, hold the phone chief, Andretti Autosport could be coming in?
Yea there was a rumor that they are racing 2 new HPD coupes next season. I don't know if it's got too much truth to it or not, but they have the money for sure to do it.
 
Yea there was a rumor that they are racing 2 new HPD coupes next season. I don't know if it's got too much truth to it or not, but they have the money for sure to do it.
That would be a heck of a thing, they ran Honda's (Acura) brief LMP1 program in ALMS a few years ago, so an LMP2/P program from them would be really cool.
 
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I was assuming you were still talking about the RACER article I linked to.

If not, I'm sorry :(

Its ok, I was just saying I only saw two DP teams still complaining, but I've since been told that some others were still abit on a podcast I wasn't previously aware of.

Yea there was a rumor that they are racing 2 new HPD coupes next season. I don't know if it's got too much truth to it or not, but they have the money for sure to do it.

Good grief, how big is Micheal Andretti's wallet? Granted its yet to be confirmed but on top of his indycar and indy lights team, he's got a Formula E Program, a World Rallycross Program and that other one ( I can't remember what it was). Seriously, I'm just waiting for him to have a NASCAR team next the way he's just jumping in seemingly every damn thing.
 
I just wanted to chime in on the casual fan deal regarding sportscar racing. When I was learning racing back in 1998 or so, even I wasn't sure of how to grasp sportscar racing. I love the heck out of sportscar racing. But at the same time, it was difficult to really understand the category. The first thing that seems confusing is why there are multiple classes of car on the track. One thing I was confused about early on as a sportscar racing fan is how to tell between the different classes. How could I tell if one GT car is in a higher class than some other GT car? I became a fan of sportscar racing when we had cars like the Toyota GT-One, the Porsche 911 GT1, the Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR, and the Panoz Esperante GT1 among others. Oh, and let's not forget my all-time favorite race car being raced around this time- the Ferrari 333SP.

Even with that bit of nostalgia, I do still think United Sportscar Racing offers the best sportscar racing here in North America. What else is there in this part of the world as far as big time sportscar racing is involved? As important as showcasing this style of racing is, it is equally important we properly teach this style of racing properly to casual fans and newcomers. You kind of have to keep watching these races a bit more to understand sportscar racing speaking if you're a casual or newcoming fan.

One other note I wanted to touch up on from past posts... I have no problem whatsoever with Bob Varsha calling these races. It isn't the same anymore since Speed Channel was sacrificed to FOX Sports 1 eleven months ago (as of this past Thursday), but he's done F1 and sportscar racing for a LONG time. Look up some IMSA videos on YouTube- he's been around the block many times before. I even told him himself on Facebook that if I ever become a motorsports announcer, I'll have him to thank as my inspiration. Bob Varsha has the same enthusiasm and professionalism... coupled with some lighthearted humor in just about all of his announcing. So go easy on him.
 
I'm a fan of Bob's and to me it sounds like he does not like the way Fox is producing the broadcast.He was great today on NBCSN during garbage time rain delay coverage.
 
Personally, I prefer John Hindaugh or even Martin Haven.

I took the time to watch a couple LM24's on YouTube, and the other commentary shows just how much the American audience misses with the mediocre producing, remote commentary, and lack of interest.

Bob Varsha was better 4 years ago than he is now. I don't feel as though any of the FS1 crew have "Deep, insider knowledge" the same way the ELMS/WEC announcers do.
 
It would be good if whoever (I don't cars who) is covering the Tudor races would do some "through the field" stories at least at the top of each hour.

I find the leaderboards displayed on screen are good info for following the class positions.
I think with the replays we eventually see most of the action but unless they implement a quad split screen with all the classes viewed at the same time we will miss most of the race. That's the beauty of ovals.

A LIVE leaderboard is great for races but the race needs to be LIVE on TV as well.
I listened to MRN once this year, at Watkins Glen.
 
Personally, I prefer John Hindaugh or even Martin Haven.

Well, Hindy's in a class of his own. For years, I would watch the Le Mans 24 on SpeedTV with the volume on mute and Radio Le Mans running audio commentary. (And for the record, I like Bob Varsha and have enjoyed his F1 broadcasts since his ESPN days back in the early 1990s).
 
Good news compared to what? Were they previously planning to not televise it live? Actually, judging by the wording, that's exactly what it sounds like.
 
I just wish IMSA would live stream the Tudor races now seeing as SPEED seems to have finally died in Canada, at least on my cable provider.



Mosport Conti race :)
 
A DP will win with ease,Porsche and Audi win GT classes.

Betting odds.
Over/Under
25 1/2 total commercial breaks-total broadcast
59 1/2 minutes spent in commercial-total broadcast
8 1/2 minutes longest stint between breaks.
 
Oak Racing on Friday:

"Yacaman got us a good qualifying result and drove us right up to the back of the lead car! We then handed over to Ho-Pin Tung and promptly got passed by literally everyone, including the Mazdas. We put Yacaman back in the car for the final stint, but the traffic was too much, Yacaman got 5th on the day."

True story.

I'm really anxious to see Mazda get up to speed. They claim they have more power than they can cool currently, so I foresee a major bodywork change coming.
 
I am somewhat surprised how equal the P2 and DP cars was in both practices in terms of lap times. And the ESM was actually fast especially in first practice. And #1 car could have been even faster in second without that accident probably.. Now lets see what happens in qualifying.
 
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