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And you're saying this based solely on this race, nevermind that none of the DNFs at Indy were Reliability related. Surely you can't be watching all the races if you make such an exaggerated statement.
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And you're saying this based solely on this race, nevermind that none of the DNFs at Indy were Reliability related. Surely you can't be watching all the races if you make such an exaggerated statement.
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The BMW was the one who had the gearbox issue. The #42 had the old BMW engine.
The Chevy dropped the oil. The Chevy had the engine failure.
Right?
Two mechanical failures, simultaneously, in the same corner?
The Chevy dropped the oil. The Chevy had the engine failure.
Right?
Two mechanical failures, simultaneously, in the same corner?
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You're against teams trying to reduce their environmental impact? In my view that's...irresponsible at best....
Also why does DP have to be the lead class? P2 wasn't the lead class and they still have a lot of talented teams racing in Europe and elsewhere. GT2 isn't the lead class and that class still gets a lot of attention.
Also why does DP have to be the lead class? P2 wasn't the lead class and they still have a lot of talented teams racing in Europe and elsewhere. GT2 isn't the lead class and that class still gets a lot of attention.
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Because we don't have P1 and with Grand Am basically calling the shots, why would you want someone else's cars to be top still?
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I get the politics behind it, but just build a better car. You're NASCAR for Christ's sake. It isn't as if you don't have the money to develop something better and more sustainable.
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I'm in for seeing 210+ mph DP cars. It'll be like Group C with Continental Tires.
I would not hate that!
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And it'd be safer than Group C, too, because NASCAR is used to those sorts of speeds, and the HANS device exists now... Group C was more dangerous.
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If moving chicanes are your thing then yeah four and a half seconds isn't anything at all as far as same class battles go.
Wow what is with people, damned if I don't or damned if I do cop-out because they can't win an argument. I have to give you credit for taking steps ahead to save face.
I'm in for seeing 210+ mph DP cars. It'll be like Group C with Continental Tires.
A car from DP would actually have to make it to Le Mans first, and if it did then it would have to live up to the restrictions imposed that differ from United and then we'd see if it actually can do that. I don't see it doing anything close to that at other tracks beside Daytona. Still nothing like Group C...
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ITCC_AndrewI'm in for seeing 210+ mph DP cars. It'll be like Group C with Continental Tires.
I'm all for that. It wouldn't be anything to bump the DP horsepower up 50 with a few extra aero pieces. Rock and roll!
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I could care less if a DP ever makes it to Le Mans. That shouldn't be the goal. Rally the base by marketing it around America first, and then IF the team owners AND fans overseas want the cars to come over go ahead and get the rules closer to what the ACO does. Le Mans is a huge event to schedule a series around. There's a test beforehand too. It would mean over a month break in USCR racing mid-season if the full-scale 8 or more prototype teams with the entire FLM/PC field for the test along with the entire gtlm class going that I see when I think about sending teams to Le Mans. Idk about you guys, but I hate long breaks in the season.
All in all, I think I've really miscommunicated a lot here. I do like LMP; however, I get caught up in the negativity that I believe is unjustly dished at the DP which was mainly done by Seth. That's why I'm so defensive. I do really like the differences of opinion shown here.
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ITCC_Andrew
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Why so much hatred?
Whether you like it or not, the merger has been finalized. Complaining, fighting, etc., will only get us in trouble with the mods, like what happened to Seth. Let's get along. We'll get along for the sakes of the GTP community, if nothing else.
"Shut up" is not really fair. They have a right to voice their opinion, even though you don't agree with it. Anything different, and you'll become Seth, the guy you speak so poorly of. We respect opinions, build upon fact, and speculate. We don't need hatred, or poor words. If you want that, there are other places to get that.
Whether you like it or not, the merger has been finalized. Complaining, fighting, etc., will only get us in trouble with the mods, like what happened to Seth. Let's get along. We'll get along for the sakes of the GTP community, if nothing else.
"Shut up" is not really fair. They have a right to voice their opinion, even though you don't agree with it. Anything different, and you'll become Seth, the guy you speak so poorly of. We respect opinions, build upon fact, and speculate. We don't need hatred, or poor words. If you want that, there are other places to get that.
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I know it won't happen but I think PC and DP should be combined. Considering the DP is pretty much a coupe variant and there isn't as much difference in lap times. Plus they're both spec classes...
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Maybe in the future they can use older chassis and combine that class which wouldn't be a terrible thing and big teams could either upgrade current bodies with new aero-engine specs (to help with P2 issues). No reason why both classes can't share the same chassis so to speak.
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Err, LMP2 top speed is around 175 to 185 at best, LMP1 barely does 205...
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It's a debate the type of thing that usually takes place on a forum, by having the psuedo idea that if we keep discussing the topic in a non-aggressive manner (something Seth couldn't do here and other threads, get your facts right) doesn't mean we will get banned. We are with in the AUP and I wish you would actually talk the subject instead of being mediator that isn't contributing much. It doesn't really matter if it is finalized things do change over time, not sure why we should stop talking most of the threads on this forum wouldn't be around if people didn't discuss/debate.
From what you've said though, GT is already popular and we've shown you that ALMS has a good fan base of popularity as well. So what rallying is there to do? They have a de facto fan base due to the two combining, now they may lose some people, but I'm sure most will stay to see if it works then decide to leave. There are several American teams past and present that have gone to Le Mans, they do it every year. You make it seems like it's near to impossible.
Also why would you have to take a month break...Maybe a couple weeks but not a month. Also if it was such an issue why is there a race the week after the 24H in ALMS? We all hate long breaks but there are other series to follow, and even if they didn't go to France their'd would be other reasons for the break...like general time off. However, the goal for many is to still go to Le Mans even if you think they shouldn't. I have no problem with you I just don't like the fact you say things that aren't factually sound or that you have a distaste it seems toward European/International racing.
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To be factual it is currently an ALMS 2 month break and this year Lime Rock was 2 weeks after Le Mans, like last year.
Just saying.
Too bad for the Sahlens group.
The point battle in DP is closer now.
Lime Rock is shaping up to be another great championship weekend.
Should be a great GT battle in today's race.
I can't say much for the P1 or P2 battles, not really enough cars to care about IMO.
And while I'm talking road racing, I hope for a safe NASCAR race at Watkins Glen today.
Last years race was the most exciting end to any race I've seen anywhere in years.
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To be factual it is currently an ALMS 2 month break and this year Lime Rock was 2 weeks after Le Mans, like last year.
Just saying.
Obviously I wasn't clear enough, I was talking in context to teams having to put the American series on hold for a month or more to go race in France. I thought it was obvious since my premise was Le Mans, sorry if it wasn't. I know racing series take month breaks, F1 is currently in their month long one. I was not at all saying that the series doesn't take a long break as you seem to suggest, you clearly read my post wrong.
Thanks for the correction on the Le Mans to Lime rock duration of time.[/QUOTE]
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It's fine it happens I just showed that. Anyways they don't need to take a month prior break to go to France, they may choose to but I don't believe it is necessary. Also (not toward you) I don't see how Cnd01 can say he doesn't want to see a month break, yet the first half of the Rolex has massive breaks and doesn't fully pick up until mid summer. Also it wouldn't really be a two month break since you would be able to watch American teams race at Le Mans. It just seems like more distaste for European racing.
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As this years Le Mans test was on June 3rd, practice and qualifying started June 13, the race was on the 22 and Viper teams only had a few days of prep for Lime Rock on July 6 then I have to say teams need at least a month.
I assume the break in the schedule that ALMS prepares has everything to do with teams that are going to Le Mans with their ALMS cars, not much else.
I assume the break in the schedule that ALMS prepares has everything to do with teams that are going to Le Mans with their ALMS cars, not much else.
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It's a month after a series race man. The Rolex season lasts months longer because it starts months earlier than the alms season. I see Daytona being the opener next year with a COTA race then Sebring as the beginning of next season. It takes upwards of 750 thousand dollars for a DP at Daytona alone. It would be really hard on teams if a COTA race was 2 weeks later. Gotta have breaks in the season after big races. Since Le Mans isn't part of the series championship, I don't see the reason to break the season mid-summer for a non-points race if only one or two teams are going over there...
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Obviously you are either avoiding the angle I'm getting at or don't see it. The point is you seemed to have issue with a "Le Mans break" yet there are 4 big breaks in GA and you don't mention those. I don't see the big deal really, it's the life of endurance racing. One or two teams don't go over to Le Mans so, you might want to fix that. Rolex has two more rounds then ALMS and 1 more if you count Le Mans like many fans might.
Also one race is outside the time of ALMS and that is Daytona...how does this correlate into months earlier and surely isn't months later. ALMS season runs later into the year than GA.
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One prototype team, two gtlm teams (assuming viper does go back), and Dempsey in gtd. That's a few teams man. It's not worth changing the date of the Watkins Glen 6 hour race for Le Mans when less than 20% of the field heads that way. There's a difference in breaking the season schedule between points races and breaking the season up because 6 cars in a 60 car grid go race Le Mans. That's where you're not understanding my point
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The numbers of teams does not matter, the option to go to Le Mans needs to be an option.
It's an iconic race and no driver/team, whatever, needs to be hampered by another race that may impose on such (for many) a dream.
Breaks be breaks, for whatever reason, there needs to be breaks at times.
Okay by me.
Pretty cool race at Road America in the wet conditions.
Lots of cars off at the beginning.
It's an iconic race and no driver/team, whatever, needs to be hampered by another race that may impose on such (for many) a dream.
Breaks be breaks, for whatever reason, there needs to be breaks at times.
Okay by me.
Pretty cool race at Road America in the wet conditions.
Lots of cars off at the beginning.
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It's not six cars their are 8 teams that went over their, BMW if I recall correctly had been invited and didn't go (maybe that was last year). Either way it is more like 9 cars, not everyone can go to Le Mans because you have to be invited under certain criteria.
I must ask do you even follow ALMS/WEC/ELMS or any other sport car racing other than GA?
Thank you which is my point. It doesn't matter what the break is for, they should be their, but you shouldn't pick and choose what breaks should and shouldn't be there due to a bias for one series over another @ cnd01
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I'm fine with the option being there don't get me wrong. Mid-summer has always been some of the most pivotal rounds of the Rolex series as that is the busiest time of the season. Those teams should be forced to have little/no prep for rounds in the meantime
@corvette:I don't follow wec. I follow the alms
