2014 United Sports Car Championship

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

The Deltawing was leading? How did that happen?

Good strategy and started going faster.

 

[hawkeye122]

I'm fine with the option being there don't get me wrong. Mid-summer has always been some of the most pivotal rounds of the Rolex series as that is the busiest time of the season. Those teams should be forced to have little/no prep for rounds in the meantime

@corvette:I don't follow wec. I follow the alms

There's no reason a team should be penalized for being invited to the most prestigious endurance race in the world. If there's no break, and a few teams go to Le Mans (Which the USCR will be associated with) they would most likely take a hit in points.
They did well, earned the opportunity to go race with some of the best teams in the world, and at the same time promote the ability of teams in the USCR, and as a thanks, they have to miss a race, or have a minimum amount of time to prepare for said race.
From a purely American standpoint, I'd rather have a break, than a weak GTE field at one of the calendars' long-distance events. If Corvette, Viper, and BMW go, it'll just be Risi beating the snot out of (at that point) 3 year-old 997's; one which will still be somewhat new to the car, and Falken with questionable dry weather tyres, in addition to both teams not being able to use their Factory Porsche drivers, since they'll be used most likely by Felbermeyer or IMSA Matmut. Meanwhile, Paul Dalla-Lana and Matteo Mallucheli have no reason not to find another seat again. You can bet that Enzo would much rather be running his 8star 458 at Le Mans. If rumors are to be believed, I doubt Starworks would run both weekends if they have a P2 car. Either way, Ryan Daizel would be gone, with his Viper deal. Jordan and Ricky would likely go again.

As you can see, it's a lot more than "1 or 2 teams". It's a lot of the anchor drivers from each team, and some of the teams. Why penalize all of the series' best drivers for going above and beyond?

The FIA stops FORMULA ONE, which has no crossover teams or drivers, to give Le Mans the spotlight.

Why shouldn't we give our best representatives of the sport a break? I hate Level 5, and I'm not a fan of Corvette either. But when they're at La Sarthe, I want the American teams to show well. It's not that we have anything to prove, but showing the world that ALMS and USCR racing is as good as it gets will attract more sponsors, more teams...


Being someone who is just a fan of good racing, it strikes me as just anti-European that you would be ok with leaving all those guys out to dry for going to Le Mans

 

[Müle]

Why so much hatred?

Whether you like it or not, the merger has been finalized. Complaining, fighting, etc., will only get us in trouble with the mods, like what happened to Seth. Let's get along. We'll get along for the sakes of the GTP community, if nothing else.

"Shut up" is not really fair. They have a right to voice their opinion, even though you don't agree with it. Anything different, and you'll become Seth, the guy you speak so poorly of. We respect opinions, build upon fact, and speculate. We don't need hatred, or poor words. If you want that, there are other places to get that.

When your "opinion" is "DP's are really stupid and ugly and should die and 4.5 seconds a lap is impossible to make up because I hate DP's and they're stupid and I want to kill them with fire LMP1 and LMP2 and open tires and Muh Technology 4eva!" it's more fair than "I'm okay with DP but they should be merged with PC instead because it's less of a gap they have to make up."

You can actually reply and have a meaningful discussion about the latter.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

When your "opinion" is "DP's are really stupid and ugly and should die and 4.5 seconds a lap is impossible to make up because I hate DP's and they're stupid and I want to kill them with fire LMP1 and LMP2 and open tires and Muh Technology 4eva!" it's more fair than "I'm okay with DP but they should be merged with PC instead because it's less of a gap they have to make up."

You can actually reply and have a meaningful discussion about the latter.

You're being asinine, really. Only two people said this really one of which is banned. It's ironic that you are saying things like this in the same tone you're complaining. I know technology is super evil watch out for it and all that jazz.

Great Job Viper with your first win, hopefully this is a sign of things to come.

 

[cnd01]

There's no reason a team should be penalized for being invited to the most prestigious endurance race in the world. If there's no break, and a few teams go to Le Mans (Which the USCR will be associated with) they would most likely take a hit in points.
They did well, earned the opportunity to go race with some of the best teams in the world, and at the same time promote the ability of teams in the USCR, and as a thanks, they have to miss a race, or have a minimum amount of time to prepare for said race.
From a purely American standpoint, I'd rather have a break, than a weak GTE field at one of the calendars' long-distance events. If Corvette, Viper, and BMW go, it'll just be Risi beating the snot out of (at that point) 3 year-old 997's; one which will still be somewhat new to the car, and Falken with questionable dry weather tyres, in addition to both teams not being able to use their Factory Porsche drivers, since they'll be used most likely by Felbermeyer or IMSA Matmut. Meanwhile, Paul Dalla-Lana and Matteo Mallucheli have no reason not to find another seat again. You can bet that Enzo would much rather be running his 8star 458 at Le Mans. If rumors are to be believed, I doubt Starworks would run both weekends if they have a P2 car. Either way, Ryan Daizel would be gone, with his Viper deal. Jordan and Ricky would likely go again.

As you can see, it's a lot more than "1 or 2 teams". It's a lot of the anchor drivers from each team, and some of the teams. Why penalize all of the series' best drivers for going above and beyond?

The FIA stops FORMULA ONE, which has no crossover teams or drivers, to give Le Mans the spotlight.

Why shouldn't we give our best representatives of the sport a break? I hate Level 5, and I'm not a fan of Corvette either. But when they're at La Sarthe, I want the American teams to show well. It's not that we have anything to prove, but showing the world that ALMS and USCR racing is as good as it gets will attract more sponsors, more teams...

Being someone who is just a fan of good racing, it strikes me as just anti-European that you would be ok with leaving all those guys out to dry for going to Le Mans

It's no big deal if a driver goes over. Dalziel, Westbrook, both Taylor brothers, and more have been going over with grand am races the week before and the week after. I can't remember from the "strategic agreement" USCR made with the ACO if invites will be given anymore.

 

[Müle]

Mhm, and the second one was the one I replied to and got called out for and was explaining why I replied to it like I did.

Excuse me for being slightly offended when someone says that an entire category of racing that, in my opinion at least, has produced some of the best racing ever the last few years, should "die" just because people in power want them to be in the top class of the top sports car series on the continent.

4.5 seconds really isn't that much. Especially when you consider that Road America is one of the longest tracks in the US.

 

[JohnBM01]

Be honest... part of you all wanted to see the DeltaWing win. I know a DeltaWing win outright wouldn't be like when an MG Lola beat the Audi R8 LMP for the win at Sonoma in 2003, but it was great seeing the DeltaWing lead the race. Same even to see Katherine Legge lead the way in her stint. Of course, if this were YouTube, all kinds of chauvinistic and stupid comments would have been made on this notion. By the way, did you all see the little comparison between the DeltaWing and the Panoz LMP Roadster?

All congratulations to SRT in GT, but I was especially bummed Risi Competizione had a rough day at the office. I also hated to see that beautiful-looking Hertz Porsche get wrecked.

I saw most of the race and enjoyed it. I hated that the race ended under caution, though.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Mhm, and the second one was the one I replied to and got called out for and was explaining why I replied to it like I did.

Excuse me for being slightly offended when someone says that an entire category of racing that, in my opinion at least, has produced some of the best racing ever the last few years, should "die" just because people in power want them to be in the top class of the top sports car series on the continent.

4.5 seconds really isn't that much. Especially when you consider that Road America is one of the longest tracks in the US.

Yeah well being in the top means technology, the rest of the world has that figured out and that is the way of motorsports for decades. Maybe it's the engineer in me or the die-hard racing fan, but I don't see why people are put off by technology. I don't see why tweaking the rules and not bringing engines alone up to date is a issue for GA all this time, and it is subjective I can see why you're mad it is something you care for I can't fault you. But just like you care for DP racing, I am a fan of tech and have the same passion when I see people treat innovation as some gimmick or joke.

The ALMS race today alone proves that technological cars provide equally good racing across the board.

Also 4.5 seconds is a lot, I don't know what world that isn't a difficult deficit to make up when you are swapping tenths with the guy your chasing.

Be honest... part of you all wanted to see the DeltaWing win. I know a DeltaWing win outright wouldn't be like when an MG Lola beat the Audi R8 LMP for the win at Sonoma in 2003, but it was great seeing the DeltaWing lead the race. Same even to see Katherine Legge lead the way in her stint. Of course, if this were YouTube, all kinds of chauvinistic and stupid comments would have been made on this notion. By the way, did you all see the little comparison between the DeltaWing and the Panoz LMP Roadster?

All congratulations to SRT in GT, but I was especially bummed Risi Competizione had a rough day at the office. I also hated to see that beautiful-looking Hertz Porsche get wrecked.

I saw most of the race and enjoyed it. I hated that the race ended under caution, though.

Not as much as the Viper (though I'm a massive Vette fan), since as a kid I remember watching them win at the 24h of Le Mans, and while Road America is no LeMans it is a great win still. I would have liked to see the Deltawing win, but the fact it fought with a team that has been strong for years should say something either way.

 

[cnd01]

Yeah well being in the top means technology, the rest of the world has that figured out and that is the way of motorsports for decades. Maybe it's the engineer in me or the die-hard racing fan, but I don't see why people are put off by technology. I don't see why tweaking the rules and not bringing engines alone up to date is a issue for GA all this time, and it is subjective I can see why you're mad it is something you care for I can't fault you. But just like you care for DP racing, I am a fan of tech and have the same passion when I see people treat innovation as some gimmick or joke.

The ALMS race today alone proves that technological cars provide equally good racing across the board.

Also 4.5 seconds is a lot, I don't know what world that isn't a difficult deficit to make up when you are swapping tenths with the guy your chasing.

The LMP1 race wasn't very interesting today imo. Mmpr was on cruise control like always. I believe they've already clinched the driver's championship too with 4 races to go...

The Gt race was really good though. The best race was the gtc and pc classes, but it didnt get enough tv time to really see it that well

 

[Wilbur]

Yeah well being in the top means technology, the rest of the world has that figured out and that is the way of motorsports for decades. Maybe it's the engineer in me or the die-hard racing fan, but I don't see why people are put off by technology. I don't see why tweaking the rules and not bringing engines alone up to date is a issue for GA all this time, and it is subjective I can see why you're mad it is something you care for I can't fault you. But just like you care for DP racing, I am a fan of tech and have the same passion when I see people treat innovation as some gimmick or joke.

The ALMS race today alone proves that technological cars provide equally good racing across the board.

Also 4.5 seconds is a lot, I don't know what world that isn't a difficult deficit to make up when you are swapping tenths with the guy your chasing.



Not as much as the Viper (though I'm a massive Vette fan), since as a kid I remember watching them win at the 24h of Le Mans, and while Road America is no LeMans it is a great win still. I would have liked to see the Deltawing win, but the fact it fought with a team that has been strong for years should say something either way.

I agree with the technology part, I'm not sure if it comes from who owned the series to try to use their method of racing to make a level field so to speak and keep things down. It doesn't matter if the DP only went 160 (I'm pulling a number) when GT's only got to 125 at Daytona and weren't as quick. While ALMS based seemed to try to push the limits as much as they could and then some which I like. Spec racing is fine too but doesn't mean we can't have spec classes within the series while gaining ground technology to speed cars up or make them quicker.

I will consider myself a noob in most forms of racing outside of offroad or nascar BUT when I think Ganassi ran Indycar suspension which made them quicker in the corners mainly correct? Why not take a look at that as it's not this huge deal, along with aero/engine packages.

Do you need to upgrade, no but to be a top team then sure. Look at the 42/43 this weekend who are usually back markers in the DP field running strong with an older based engine.

Now to touch on the whole LeMan's race. IF this merger wants to be taken seriously, wasn't the goal to be able to race this race in general if a team got the invite? We can figure out something to work around someone getting an invite, why penalize teams for attempting to run one of the biggest races in the history of motorsports because they are doing well in the series they are based out of, maybe I'm missing somethign?

 

[Wilbur]

The LMP1 race wasn't very interesting today imo. Mmpr was on cruise control like always. I believe they've already clinched the driver's championship too with 4 races to go...

The Gt race was really good though. The best race was the gtc and pc classes, but it didnt get enough tv time to really see it that well

We don't have to worry about P1 though, so to even talk about it anymore seems like wasted breath. I believe he was referring to upgrading the DP with technology instead of how nascar based it really is.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

The LMP1 race wasn't very interesting today imo. Mmpr was on cruise control like always. I believe they've already clinched the driver's championship too with 4 races to go...

The Gt race was really good though. The best race was the gtc and pc classes, but it didnt get enough tv time to really see it that well

I wouldn't fully say that, the Deltawing was doing some good runs finally. It was actually a very interesting day across ALMS. Also GT I'd say had the best between Viper vs Vette vs Porsche.

We don't have to worry about P1 though, so to even talk about it anymore seems like wasted breath. I believe he was referring to upgrading the DP with technology instead of how nascar based it really is.

Exactly.

I agree with the technology part, I'm not sure if it comes from who owned the series to try to use their method of racing to make a level field so to speak and keep things down. It doesn't matter if the DP only went 160 (I'm pulling a number) when GT's only got to 125 at Daytona and weren't as quick. While ALMS based seemed to try to push the limits as much as they could and then some which I like. Spec racing is fine too but doesn't mean we can't have spec classes within the series while gaining ground technology to speed cars up or make them quicker.

I will consider myself a noob in most forms of racing outside of offroad or nascar BUT when I think Ganassi ran Indycar suspension which made them quicker in the corners mainly correct? Why not take a look at that as it's not this huge deal, along with aero/engine packages.

Do you need to upgrade, no but to be a top team then sure. Look at the 42/43 this weekend who are usually back markers in the DP field running strong with an older based engine.

Now to touch on the whole LeMan's race. IF this merger wants to be taken seriously, wasn't the goal to be able to race this race in general if a team got the invite? We can figure out something to work around someone getting an invite, why penalize teams for attempting to run one of the biggest races in the history of motorsports because they are doing well in the series they are based out of, maybe I'm missing somethign?

Correct on all of it.

 

[Metfanant]

just wanted to pop in and say congrats to Team SRT..GT Racing is better when Vipers are performing well!

 

[cnd01]

We don't have to worry about P1 though, so to even talk about it anymore seems like wasted breath. I believe he was referring to upgrading the DP with technology instead of how nascar based it really is.

I'm all for upgrading the DP. I'm not anti-technology; however, I am very much against technology that costs teams so much money that it hurts the size of the grid. Are all the upgrades to make the DP "relevant" really worth it if the grid size diminishes? Imsa gtp died because of rising costs brought on by full tilt factory teams using new technologies that made it impossible for most teams financially to field a competitive car.

 

[Wilbur]

I'm all for upgrading the DP. I'm not anti-technology; however, I am very much against technology that costs teams so much money that it hurts the size of the grid. Are all the upgrades to make the DP "relevant" really worth it if the grid size diminishes? Imsa gtp died because of rising costs brought on by full tilt factory teams using new technologies that made it impossible for most teams financially to field a competitive car.

We are going to lose some guys period because of this upgrade regardless or don't like the series rules. It happens, can't really do much about that part of it.

If you want to run a top level motorsports team; you can't do it on a nickle and dime budget! If it cost that much more to run an upgraded DP then maybe sell it and go back to GT racing. This is just my idea, same goes to Nascar teams who S&P all the time or slower than crap.

I see what you are saying about the cost but we can't be considering a top road racing series with cars that are in same ballpark as a PC car, that just is silly. Granted they are waiting too long to do simple upgrades but I think the wouldn't really need huge upgrades everyone is thinking if I had to guess. I don't know the upgrades needed but why are we limiting a top class to a degree either?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I'm all for upgrading the DP. I'm not anti-technology; however, I am very much against technology that costs teams so much money that it hurts the size of the grid. Are all the upgrades to make the DP "relevant" really worth it if the grid size diminishes? Imsa gtp died because of rising costs brought on by full tilt factory teams using new technologies that made it impossible for most teams financially to field a competitive car.

That is once again one sided truth is organizers let the series go to hell as much as cost hurt the effort. However, the technology developed there greatly helped other series and road going cars...so it really isn't an evil like you make it out to be. I'd put more blame on the organizers and the swapping of power and changes then anything else.

 

[cnd01]

That is once again one sided truth is organizers let the series go to hell as much as cost hurt the effort. However, the technology developed there greatly helped other series and road going cars...so it really isn't an evil like you make it out to be. I'd put more blame on the organizers and the swapping of power and changes then anything else.

Going to call your hypocracy out on this one. You go on and on about how the DP cars are slow and spec and BoP'd even and how they are not allowed to develop and get new technology. Then you say it's the series organizers' fault if they don't do anything to keep the cars from getting too expensive. :rollseyes:

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Going to call your hypocracy out on this one. You go on and on about how the DP cars are slow and spec and BoP'd even and how they are not allowed to develop and get new technology. Then you say it's the series organizers' fault if they don't do anything to keep the cars from getting too expensive. :rollseyes:

First off hypocrisy...it just bothers me, if people are going to claim I'm something I rather they get it right. Also what the hell are you on now? I'm talking about why IMSA GTP folded, it was due to organizers having issues, and allowing certain manufactures to dominate as well (which you've said). I'm saying it was an issue in both parts, just telling you how history has it recorded. You put some spin on it to suit your agenda. It was a comment to your comment on GTP not DP, not seeing how you can get things so out of whack every time you try to rebuke what I say.

I didn't at all say that it failed because organizers couldn't keep cost down...

 

[cnd01]

First off hypocrisy...it just bothers me, if people are going to claim I'm something I rather they get it right. Also what the hell are you on now? I'm talking about why IMSA GTP folded, it was due to organizers having issues, and allowing certain manufactures to dominate as well (which you've said). I'm saying it was an issue in both parts, just telling you how history has it recorded. You put some spin on it to suit your agenda. It was a comment to your comment on GTP not DP, not seeing how you can get things so out of whack every time you try to rebuke what I say.

I didn't at all say that it failed because organizers couldn't keep cost down...

Maybe I misread. If I did, I apologize man.

From what I gathered, you meant that in gtp, the series is at fault for letting manufacturers dominate because they introduced new technologies that privateer teams could not afford. Youve also made it abundantly clear that you consider a DP a second tier class because they aren't technologically "relevant"(which I still haven't gotten a clear explanation of what relevant means) and because they're slower on the stop watch. Making the DP more technologically advanced would be suicide because there is no cost cap on a DP. Then, the privateer teams with the most funds for development and improvememt would dominate essentially being like factory teams in imsa gtp unless the series is heavily BoP'd. From what I've gathered (could be wrong) you don't like series BoP'ing cars either. That's where I'm coming from

 

[Wilbur]

Maybe I misread. If I did, I apologize man.

From what I gathered, you meant that in gtp, the series is at fault for letting manufacturers dominate because they introduced new technologies that privateer teams could not afford. Youve also made it abundantly clear that you consider a DP a second tier class because they aren't technologically "relevant"(which I still haven't gotten a clear explanation of what relevant means) and because they're slower on the stop watch. Making the DP more technologically advanced would be suicide because there is no cost cap on a DP. Then, the privateer teams with the most funds for development and improvememt would dominate essentially being like factory teams in imsa gtp unless the series is heavily BoP'd. From what I've gathered (could be wrong) you don't like series BoP'ing cars either. That's where I'm coming from

Based on their stats, they seem closer to PC or a 2nd tier car so it's hard to argue differently.

We don't need a cost cap, but why can't they do like they already do and just upgrade everyone with aero package. Engines can be similar you can only run x engines from these people.

 

[01GTP]

Yeah well being in the top means technology, the rest of the world has that figured out and that is the way of motorsports for decades. Maybe it's the engineer in me or the die-hard racing fan, but I don't see why people are put off by technology.

I wouldn't say some people don't like the technology, it's more that some people make it sound that without the tech the racing can't be as good.
Like it's dumb or something because it doesn't get straight A's in school, sorry private school, which it can't necessarily afford.

I don't see why tweaking the rules and not bringing engines alone up to date is a issue for GA all this time,
The ALMS race today alone proves that technological cars provide equally good racing across the board.

Also 4.5 seconds is a lot, I don't know what world that isn't a difficult deficit to make up when you are swapping tenths with the guy your chasing

We saw today that BMW's attempt at a new motor hasn't worked out to well so far.
Last week it's a winner, this week a weiner. Sorry Sahlens.
Agreed the racing this weekend was good in both races.

4.5 seconds at Road America shouldn't be too hard for an ol clunker like the DP when equipped correctly.
Take some aero off the P2, some new brakes for the DP, and the same tires, that should be a lot closer already I think.
Current differences in class are up to 2 seconds this past weekend for qualifying.
ALMS P1 difference in race was over 3 seconds for Dyson and 5.5 for the Wing.
When looking at the fastest laps in qualifying and the races this past weekend 4.5 seconds (as is) may make for a good race with some strategy in play.

Excuse me for being slightly offended when someone says that an entire category of racing that, in my opinion at least, has produced some of the best racing ever the last few years, should "die" just because people in power want them to be in the top class of the top sports car series on the continent.

Agreed

About the combined DP/P2 class for 2014:
I have to wonder if the reason the DP/P2 class exists is due to the currently small P2 field.
To start a new series (which in my opinion started to unite 2 small fields ) and have the top tier be 4 cars looks just as bad as the current P1 class.
That's the same thought I gave to why the Wing is P1 this year.
Even though the Wing did look competitive today.

 

[braunracing88]

just wanted to pop in and say congrats to Team SRT..GT Racing is better when Vipers are performing well!

It was a happy day for Viper fans.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

01GTP, I don't ever want to see downforce taken off of an LMP2 car. Nope. The DP needs *more* downforce. What happened to Memo Rojas is dangerous. How he managed to not hit a wall at 170+ mph, I have no clue. But, I don't think any LMP2 cars will be losing control in the kink at Road America... If you remove the aero, though, I think it'll be horribly dangerous.

LMP2 cars don't handle well without the downforce. They're surprisingly twitchy and loose. DP handles nicely without the downforce, mainly. But, that said, nothing wrong with adding more...

 

[hawkeye122]

That's fair, taking aero from a car which has not a ton of mechanical grip doesn't seem like a good plan. Remember how close the GT1's and this year, the GTE could run to the LMP2 guys in the wet?
The DP could be a pretty serious car with a bit of aero work. Give them more, don't take aero away from a car that needs it.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Can anyone please compare the top speeds reached by the DP and the LMP2 from Road America, please? I know both series run their cars trimmed out for downforce... I think DP is much faster in a straight line, but, while I was watching the LMP2s, their cornering speeds were surprising...

 

[01GTP]

Top speeds I don't know and/or don't remember the telecast having enough of that info.
Their downforce helps the LMP's corner fast.
I would also agree the DP was faster at the end of longer straights.

Take some aero off P2 is all I'm saying. Keep them safe.
Remember that the DP's lack of downforce helps the close racing, which I like.
Jordan Taylor talked about this in his interview posted by Hun.
With too much downforce you can get to the car ahead but it's really hard to actually pass them as your air is too disturbed to stay close to them.
You have to keep your car in the air which usually means taking a different line into a corner which is not always the correct entry.
That's where the cross over comes into play, or a little push can help too.

Um, whoops, sorry about that!


Kinda like the current NASCAR Cup cars, you see them catch a car but it's so hard to pass.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I wouldn't say some people don't like the technology, it's more that some people make it sound that without the tech the racing can't be as good.
Like it's dumb or something because it doesn't get straight A's in school, sorry private school, which it can't necessarily afford.

If that was the case, then man why have I wasted two decades of watching Nascar which is my favorite series next to F1. Problem is it works for GA, but when you try to step up and be a international series it doesn't work hence why updates to DP cars are needed to compete on such a stage. As is they aren't technological and are just customer built chassis of steel tube frames, similar to nascar. The engine technology is from 10 years at the least due to no ability to update.

Also explain to me that if the racing is some competitive then why, just like Nascar does one team dominate the series...a team that has more money then its counterparts just like nascar (HMS).

Top speeds I don't know and/or don't remember the telecast having enough of that info.
Their downforce helps the LMP's corner fast.
I would also agree the DP was faster at the end of longer straights.

Take some aero off P2 is all I'm saying. Keep them safe.
Remember that the DP's lack of downforce helps the close racing, which I like.
Jordan Taylor talked about this in his interview posted by Hun.
With too much downforce you can get to the car ahead but it's really hard to actually pass them as your air is too disturbed to stay close to them.
You have to keep your car in the air which usually means taking a different line into a corner which is not always the correct entry.
That's where the cross over comes into play, or a little push can help too.

Um, whoops, sorry about that!


Kinda like the current NASCAR Cup cars, you see them catch a car but it's so hard to pass.

That isn't a new issue that just developed in Nascar it has been like that for some time. And even though dirty air can happen it isn't always the case and usually is an effect of following a car in more low end speed areas and not have enough air to generate downforce for the trailing car. It is part of racing and something that a drive over comes. Aero parts are needed and taking them off is not a good idea as others have said.

 

[sumbrownkid]

Good luck with the ACO agreeing to let LMP cars be modded into GA specs and allowing them to enter the LM24.

 

[01GTP]

If watching NASCAR was wasted then that is your problem and/or fault.
I've enjoyed my over 3 decades of watching NASCAR.


Guys, I never said to take the areo away from P2.
If I was misunderstood then I will say it this way, reduce it, I'm sure the P2 can run with less downforce.
Less aero works with the DP's because it simply works, don't try to fix what works. Read the last post to why it works for close racing.
Quote me where I said not to upgrade the DP's, please.
According to the statement from Grand-Am on classes the P2 is to follow current technical specs of the ACO so according to that the DP's look to be getting the upgrades they need to compete with P2.
Maybe they will choke (air restrictor, which they will have) the P2 to death, we'll see. Unfortunate for many fans out there (I'm not an unfortunate one) but the USCR is putting them together and there has to be some give and take. Give to some and take from others. Fine by me.
What happens next year if the DP proves to be faster, what are fans to say then, it's all fixed by NASCAR, I mean USCR.


I understand you want the latest and greatest tech but as I said before, to me, it doesn't make for better racing, it's still racing to me either way.
The latest tech I enjoy is listening to my Cup driver and the officials during the races. Now that is very interesting to listen to during the race.
You may see racing different from me in that aspect but I think we agree that each series (ALMS/GA) has great (you said equal) racing.
It seems from your posts that you don't enjoy the DP racing or is it the cars themselves?

I don't understand why (from what I do understand) there is so much emphasis on the DP and/or it's racing.
To me, as a prototype (be it LMP or DP) it is basically a vehicle for which people try to get to the end of the race first with.
They fit a certain criteria for which the sanctioning body has set forth and that's about it.
I will say that a Daytona Prototype should not be labeled a prototype. It was at one time but, yeah.


I don't think the USCR wants international appeal with or without DP's just the connection of the series to Le Mans.
Sure P2 and GT, but not DP's.


And yes aero has for quite some time been a part of racing, be it with a lot or not too much, it's still racing.


HMS does not dominate, the 48 team has in the past which is an HMS team but they have 3 others. No denying that they (48) are that good.
This year the 48 has the same amount of wins as the 20.
And how many races have the 5 team won with the current driver or even with the last bunch of drivers.
The 88 team does not win many either.
The same can be said for the 24 as well.
All HMS teams.

And who is dominating this year in DP's that has dominated in previous years, yeah, nobody.
I'll agree that money usually does make better teams.
It gives them the best of the best in most cases so they better perform at the top.


One thing about racing is true, it will always be changing.
Except for the DP's, till now.

 

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It would make truck loads of sense if Imsa made the P2 run Le Mans downforce kit at every track for starters 💡 that makes P2 slower in corners and faster down the straights. That allows P2 teams to have more experience racing the Le Mans downforce kit with the continental tire. Win-win imo