2014 United Sports Car Championship

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

01GTP go back and read my post because your summation is wrong, I don't hate DP if I did yet again why would I waste my time in the exercise of watching GA racing... My point with the nascar bit is to show I obviously can enjoy racing without an abundance of technology, not sure how you missed that. My issue is that GA guys have said their end goal from what I recall reading was to compete on a stage like Le Mans, the current ALMS guys are already there. So the only thing I see them doing is bringing the DP cars to a range that can compete. Not taking away from P2 and building up DP that is my issue with this merge. I'm fine with DP cars as they are now and in the series they are now, but to think that a few changes can help them run on an international level wont be taken seriously. I'm happy that Ford wants to bring the Ecoboost V6 next year and that is the type of change that is technologically forward in thought.

HMS and Gibbs do dominate, not sure how closely you follow Nascar, even if it isn't wins they rack up probably the most top 5s and tens in the season. The 88 hasn't won much but is a driver that gathers many top 5/10 finishes which is all that matters considering the goal is getting in the chase, which 3 of HMS if not all do make happen. Also to be more informative, even if HMS aren't directly dominating they indirectly dominate since they power a couple of team like SHR, but I'm sure you just forgot that tid bit.

So Pruett and Memo Rojas aren't dominating this year in the more cash back Ganassi car...even though they are very close along with several other teams to win this years championship. They however did dominate the several years prior. Just because BK won the Nascar championship last year doesn't mean HMS don't dominate or have dominating packages for the most part either.

It would make truck loads of sense if Imsa made the P2 run Le Mans downforce kit at every track for starters 💡 that makes P2 slower in corners and faster down the straights. That allows P2 teams to have more experience racing the Le Mans downforce kit with the continental tire. Win-win imo

This is actually something I can agree with, I wouldn't say run it all the time. Especially at street circuits but still a good idea.

 

[01GTP]

It would make truck loads of sense if Imsa made the P2 run Le Mans downforce kit at every track for starters 💡 that makes P2 slower in corners and faster down the straights. That allows P2 teams to have more experience racing the Le Mans downforce kit with the continental tire. Win-win imo

And what is that, less downforce?

Nuf said.

I've had my say, LMS, you had yours.

Nuf said.

 

[hawkeye122]

It would make truck loads of sense if Imsa made the P2 run Le Mans downforce kit at every track for starters 💡 that makes P2 slower in corners and faster down the straights. That allows P2 teams to have more experience racing the Le Mans downforce kit with the continental tire. Win-win imo

Except it's a totally different track. They'd have a really good low-downforce set-up for MRLS or Mosport, but Le Mans is quite different from either of those.

Good idea? Sure. But they wouldnt get all kinds of Le Mans data. The closest track to a Le Mans set-up would probably be Monza, the chicanes, the hairpin, and the broad sweepers, mixed with the long straights.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Hang on, there's nothing wrong with using Canadian Tire Motorsports Park as a mini Le Mans. It is even more tricky... Le Mans is relatively simple to drive. Mosport is frightening, even as a spectator. The cars are so fast !

 

[hawkeye122]

Hang on, there's nothing wrong with using Canadian Tire Motorsports Park as a mini Le Mans. It is even more tricky... Le Mans is relatively simple to drive. Mosport is frightening, even as a spectator. The cars are so fast !

It's not more or less tricky, but 3/4ths of the lap isn't flat out, long straights with huge sweepers like Indianapolis or the Porsche Curves.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Indianapolis isn't a large sweeper. Oh, gosh, you're not going to make a good rally co-driver.

Isn't Indianapolis the 90 degree corner right before Arnage? You know, the really big braking zone...?

 

[hawkeye122]

It's not a LARGE sweeper, but I was under the impression that you let up a bit, but you're still going fairly quickly. Arnage is a braking zone, but through Indy is quick.

Edit: Go to about 2:29


Apparently theres 2 ways to take it. And while he isn't very specific, it sounds like you either toss it in at not quite full throttle, or you give it a dab of brake to get the nose in, and then power out.

Personally, in GT5, I've found that it can be taken almost flat out. And while that isn't precise physics (At all), I'm going to take my kind-of experience and his really vague description, coupled with a bit of "I'm male and therefore always right", and say it's a fast sweeper. Plus, you know, the name sort of implies that it's similar to another corner..

So, yeah. But I could be wrong.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Yeah, I disagree. That corner, being the whole corner, including the right-hand kink, braking zone, and left corner, is actually slow compared to the Porsche Curves and things.

 

[hawkeye122]

Yeah, I disagree. That corner, being the whole corner, including the right-hand kink, braking zone, and left corner, is actually slow compared to the Porsche Curves and things.

Well of course, if you count the left hander. I meant just the quick part.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Well of course, if you count the left hander. I meant just the quick part.

I can't believe we're talking about sweepers at Le Mans without mentioning the Esses or Tertre Rouge.

 

[hawkeye122]

I can't believe we're talking about sweepers at Le Mans without mentioning the Esses or Tertre Rouge.

Haha very true. Ah well. No harm done. Anywho!

http://www.racer.com/dallara-interested-in-p2-dp-sports-car-chassis-partnerships/article/307089/

Dallara maybe wants in on the DP/P2 market?
Apparently they already make a DP body... I cant recall ever having seen one.

Not many new P2 cars on the market, but they want (You guessed it) some money from a car manufacturer first, before building their own. Kind of different from Oak, who seemed to have adopted "Build it and they will come" with Morgan.

Perhpas they could build a P2 SPECIFICALLY for USCR/Le Mans? Purposefully low downforce, low drag?

 

[RACECAR]

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http://www.racer.com/dallara-interested-in-p2-dp-sports-car-chassis-partnerships/article/307089/

Dallara maybe wants in on the DP/P2 market?
Apparently they already make a DP body... I cant recall ever having seen one.

It was this one:

 

[01GTP]

Here is Taylors Chevy.
I love the snout on these cars.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/album.php?albumid=1151&pictureid=13535

Is that photo appearing for others?
My preview has no photo.

Has anyone else checked their local TV listing for this weekends Kansas race?
I checked mine and no race listed.
Glad to have less coverage with this new Fox whatever.
I guess it's time to call Comcast.

 

[cnd01]

Bless your heart with Comcast.

The dallara DP chassis isn't really a dallara. All dallara did was purchase the constructors license from Kevin Doran. I think they only sold one or two chassis from the time dallara bought the license until now.

 

[Furinkazen]

Dunno if this was linked. But if Michael Shank gets his way this will get really pathetic.

 

[Mac K]

Shank loves to talk out his butt..

 

[sumbrownkid]

Welcome to America Mac K.

 

[cnd01]

Dunno if this was linked. But if Michael Shank gets his way this will get really pathetic.

He sounds just as whiny as Greg Pickett does...

 

[R0ssingt0n]

Not as bad a shank basically saying he wants to see fighting and the occasional crash. Sorry if I'm missing something but that's either pretty dumb or I'd make a bad american racing fan

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

R0ssington, you'd be the one causing the crashes!


Seriously now, I'm never listening to another word Shank has to say.

 

[cnd01]

Not as bad a shank basically saying he wants to see fighting and the occasional crash. Sorry if I'm missing something but that's either pretty dumb or I'd make a bad american racing fan

That's part of what makes grand am interesting to most, but at the same time, I don't totally agree with. Greg Pickett saying what he's said about the DP pretty much puts him in the same level of ignorance and arrogence as J.C. France after what he said about the LMP.

In the end, there will be the hard-heads on each side. Shank is the only guy that's really complained a lot about having to upgrade the DP.

 

[hawkeye122]

He wants to see fighting at the apexes? In theory, a P2 car could just outbrake the DP into the turn and everybody would be fine.
Unless he plans for them to make contact on the straights.
Maybe we can add Turtle Shells to throw at one another, and mushrooms and oil slicks.

 

[01GTP]

The 2 best quotes from the article.

Sharp
“Whatever it is, we'll roll with it.”

Stallings
"I'm kind of used to the idea that when there are changes like this the answers come late. I'm more philosophical than I was three or four years ago. As a young man, these things really bothered me, but it is what it is. I can't change it. Whatever it is, we'll work it out.”

👍 👍


Comcast has tried to assure me that I will be seeing FOX Sports 1 Saturday, not the scheduled SPEED programming I see listed on the cable box.
She also replied "Fox Sports 2, what's that? We don't know anything about that yet.".

 

[RACECAR]

Overall, most of the guys sound pretty level-headed, its just Micheal Shank Being Micheal Shank. "A race without a caution is a travesty" Just brilliant

And Greg Pickett just sounds like in not so many words doesn't want to race with a bunch of poor people, at least that's what he gives off to me in regards to the DPs.

 

[Furinkazen]

http://popularspeed.com/nascar-not-just-stock-cars/

Do I not find it contradictory they talk about NASCAR putting in catch fencing at Sebring, then they say how spectators camp close to the track...?

Errrr no-one's going to camp as close to an ugly great big fence as the view's gone... this isn't an oval where you can look over the track due to banking...

 

[cnd01]

Overall, most of the guys sound pretty level-headed, its just Micheal Shank Being Micheal Shank. "A race without a caution is a travesty" Just brilliant

And Greg Pickett just sounds like in not so many words doesn't want to race with a bunch of poor people, at least that's what he gives off to me in regards to the DPs.

Pickett sure had tons of success racing against those poor people...

 

[RACECAR]

Pickett sure had tons of success racing against those poor people...

Ironic, isn't it?


Just found it pretty funny.

http://popularspeed.com/nascar-not-just-stock-cars/

Oh, hell no. This is one huge concern for me. NASCAR already does repaves that are not even necessary after doing the one that was actually needed so to hear "Extra debris fencing" and "Positive changes" Doesn't ring good news to me.

 

[Furinkazen]

Wait for inevitable Sebring repave...

 

[Mac K]

Wait for inevitable Sebring repave...

They do that and I think they risk a huge blow back from the entire sports car racing community, from both fans and drivers.. I don't think they're that daft.. but I don't put anything past NASCAR.

 

[RACECAR]

The only small spec of hope I have of this maybe not happening is with Jim France, the person in charge and right now the only sane guy in the France Family (well, him and Ben Kennedy).