2014 United Sports Car Championship
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hotos of the super weekend (courtesy of Mark Windecker)
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In the end, I hope the DP dies and by 2017 the P2 car (And someday maybe P1) becomes the main prototype category. This whole BoP and teams trying to figure out what's faster is only going to make things more difficult. Like they said, trying to balance a DP and P2 car is like trying to balance an Indy car and an F1 car. It's not going to work in the long run, and it's not fan friendly either.
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Personally, I'd rather see them both thrive. Maybe BoP the two so that the DP is faster in a straight line but the P2 handles better, so each car has tracks that play to each others' strengths (e.g. Long Beach for P2 and Daytona for DP. The biggest problem I see with this is setting up the schedule so that it isn't full of tracks that favor one over the other might be just a tad difficult.
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I don't wish DPs to die, I wish them to stop pretending they're Le Mans Prototypes. Race it as a separate class. Eventually, give everyone tire choice. Then see who does what naturally. Stop trying to make them the same damn thing.
The DPs are slower than Prototype Challenge cars at Road America so far. It makes me laugh, like haha out loud, to say look at these same types of car. Either could win!
I also wish DPs to become better than they are now, with the environment and with technology. I actually think there is a lot of talent in the DP driver lineup in Grand-AM, I just think the cars need vast improvement.
Improve the DP cars, and then you don't have to dumb down P2s.
The DPs are slower than Prototype Challenge cars at Road America so far. It makes me laugh, like haha out loud, to say look at these same types of car. Either could win!
I also wish DPs to become better than they are now, with the environment and with technology. I actually think there is a lot of talent in the DP driver lineup in Grand-AM, I just think the cars need vast improvement.
Improve the DP cars, and then you don't have to dumb down P2s.
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- cnd01
Tower Turn 13
The problem is: DP would not survive in a million years if it wasn't the lead prototype class. Thats the only way it's worked.
I'm also super against DP becoming "green"
Green racing is an oxymoron to me. That's more burden on teams. I also don't see how the DP being slow makes a hill of beans. In the 3 years that grand am ran the srp class, a grand touring car won all 3 years at the Rolex 24. Really I don't see anything impressive about the speed of an LMP. While it is very technological, it's not the pinnacle of technology. With all the technology out there, there should be natural gas powered diesel type engines if it was really the forefront of technology. I don't see these technological improvents really making that big of a splash. The prius came out years before the hybrid LMP. Porsche worked on the 918 road car before putting the hybrid technology into an LMP.
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This right here, those who think DP are fine (you know who you are this is aimed at you) why would they want this merge? I don't get why the dogma like mentality is given toward DP and equated to them being okay, when they are running technology that is quite old. The clinging to the past is redundant and DP are not ever in the state they stand a world class Le Mans car.
The problem is: DP would not survive in a million years if it wasn't the lead prototype class. Thats the only way it's worked.
I'm also super against DP becoming "green"
I also don't see how the DP being slow makes a hill of beans. In the 3 years that grand am ran the srp class, a grand touring car won all 3 years at the Rolex 24. Really I don't see anything impressive about the speed of an LMP. While it is very technological, it's not the pinnacle of technology. With all the technology out there, there should be natural gas powered diesel type engines if it was really the forefront of technology. I don't see these technological improvents really making that big of a splash. The prius came out years before the hybrid LMP. Porsche worked on the 918 road car before putting the hybrid technology into an LMP.
You right now just showed us all you have no idea what you are talking about. Zytek has been developing electric and hybrid systems for decades and even had a hybrid car at Le Mans through Panoz back in the 90s. If you were an F1 fan you'd have a chance of knowing this more so due to the fact that Zytek supplied KERS when F1 brought them forth...
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- gdwest1
If DP was production based, it would make a great GT1 class. But they aren't, currently they feel like GTS cars from the early 2000's. Great teams, for sure. But the cars are dull, and the racing is artificial.
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- cnd01
My point: unless I go overseas, I'm watching 14 neat looking prototype cars when 11 are either spec or cost capped and the other three aren't developing and showcasing technology by racing anytime soon for road use(which that's the point of the LMP if I'm not mistaken) Or I can watch 14 good looking prototypes in one class who are having to give it 110% every lap because BoP keeps the cars level where the focus is on racing.
If you don't like what I like then ok cool. People like different stuff.
If you don't like what I like then ok cool. People like different stuff.
ITCC_Andrew
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Whatever guys, I think it's fine to have DP and LMP running together. All that the DPs need is ABS, TCS, more downforce, and hopefully a nice limited slip differential.
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I can't wait for cnd's reply to this.
I agree that DPs and LMPs can run together. I think they should be seperate classes though.
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It's not about liking what you like, it's about you spouting bull crap. I guess the C7 doesn't exist cause that is the work of ALMS racing into road going car development. There is plenty of stuff that is going into road cars or has now an in the past, I dont understand what you are trying to say when you say "aren't developing and showcasing technology by racing anytime soon for road use". What is soon to you? What does it matter I just proved you wrong about hybrid technology so obviously what you've said now isn't based in anything other than from the hip shot in the dark..
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2000: GT1 cars beat a 5 year old LMP. (Overall: GT1)
2001: GT1 and GT2 cars beat some old LMPs and a couple LMP2s. (Overall: GT1)
2002: LMP1 and LMP2s beat some GT1s. (Overall: LMP1)
2003: GT2 beats DPs.
Nuh uh man that never happened.
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So I just came to the realization that this double header weekend, more so then all the races that both series are racing at this year, will make for some good data gathering as they will literally have some notes compared side-by-side.
ITCC_Andrew
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You didn't wonder about how people were supposed to know about the differences in lap times...?
Also, I'm hoping now, after watching the Rolex race, that the guys can figure out the reliability...
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Lucas Luhr doesn't sound to pleased:
And keep in mind that this is a track that doesn't exactly favor the the LMP2s. At something a little twistier, like say Laguna Seca, the gap would probably be closer to 10 seconds.
Why not give LMP2 a separate class and combine the DPs with the PCs. Oh, that's right, then the DPs wouldn't be in the top class. Silly me.
Maybe we'll get lucky and next year will be the death of the Daytona Prototype.
And keep in mind that this is a track that doesn't exactly favor the the LMP2s. At something a little twistier, like say Laguna Seca, the gap would probably be closer to 10 seconds.
Why not give LMP2 a separate class and combine the DPs with the PCs. Oh, that's right, then the DPs wouldn't be in the top class. Silly me.
Maybe we'll get lucky and next year will be the death of the Daytona Prototype.
ITCC_Andrew
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🤬 reliability needs to be fixed.
Two cars done in one lap, Katie Crawford almost in tears... Oil leak. 🤬 DP reliability issues!
Two cars done in one lap, Katie Crawford almost in tears... Oil leak. 🤬 DP reliability issues!
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You didn't wonder about how people were supposed to know about the differences in lap times...?
I was too busy ignoring the arguing and personal insults from the last few pages.
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- cnd01
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I already know that this page won't be viewable for about the next week after the Rolex 24 because of all the complaining. If a DP wins: NASCAR is the worst thing ever and the race is rigged. If an LMP wins: DP are so slow and useless. They really suck and shouldn't ever have been created. That's why I will be unsubscribing and not posting that week
ITCC_Andrew
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- gdwest1
The cars are pretty different, I'm really not sure how they're gonna level the playing field that much
Plus, 66% of the P1 field fails to finish each race.
The PC's haven't changed since 09. The BMW DP engine is brand-new
Plus, 66% of the P1 field fails to finish each race.
The PC's haven't changed since 09. The BMW DP engine is brand-new
