2015 Ford Mustang - General Discussion

[Organ-Donor]

I really like what Ford is doing with the GT350/R. Price is good, options good, looks awesome, sounds great, N/A high revving engine. Both should be great for the track (the R being a given). Well done. 👍

 

[Keef]

And they feel properly sporty on the inside, too. The Recaros are great, the driving position is low and sporty, the wheel/pedal/seat positioning is properly proportional and very adjustable. Ford really missed the mark on the aesthetic design of the new Mustang's interior, though. The dash especially is very basic and boring. They easily could've made it prettier without sacrificing ergo.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

And they feel properly sporty on the inside, too. The Recaros are great, the driving position is low and sporty, the wheel/pedal/seat positioning is properly proportional and very adjustable. Ford really missed the mark on the aesthetic design of the new Mustang's interior, though. The dash especially is very basic and boring. They easily could've made it prettier without sacrificing ergo.

But that would've driven the cost up.

 

[Blackbird.]

Update: Dealer wanted $5k over. I walked out.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

You guys these things will appreciate in the near future? The Cobra R definitely did, basically instantly, but none of the subsequent models have. I've got the cash for an R....but I'm not sure it would be the greatest idea at this point in my life...

 

[Tornado]

I think they'll make far too many of them for that to ever happen.

 

[Grandea GTR]

You guys these things will appreciate in the near future? The Cobra R definitely did, basically instantly, but none of the subsequent models have. I've got the cash for an R....but I'm not sure it would be the greatest idea at this point in my life...

Do you mean depreciate? But yeah, I think the value of these cars will plummet rather quickly, but not instantly.

 

[Slash]

I think they will go up in value long term. The run for R models is very limited. Didn't they say they were only making 100 R cars? If so I could see that being an investment.

 

[Tornado]

Do you mean depreciate

No, he means appreciate. The 2000 Cobra R basically shot up in value as soon as Ford sold them all.

Didn't they say they were only making 100 R cars?

Only making 137 GT350s this year. With the money they clearly sunk into developing the GT350 overall, there's no way they'll continuously keep it that low. At most, I'd expect Ford to replace it with a functionally identical model with a different name; or a slightly enhanced version.

 

[Grandea GTR]

No, he means appreciate. The 2000 Cobra R basically shot up in value as soon as Ford sold them all.

Oh. Derp!

 

[Slash]

No, he means appreciate. The 2000 Cobra R basically show up in value as soon as they were all sold.


Only making 100 this year. With the money they sunk into developing it, there's no way they'll continuously keep it that low. At most, I'd expect Ford to replace it with a functionally identical model with a different name.

Ah ok, I thought it was only going to be for its production run.

Well the original Shelby's went 6 years; 7 if you count non US cars. All of them are valuable now, obviously early ones more so especially legitimate R cars.

Regardless, if they limit it to 100 cars per year that's still only 300 cars over a 3 year period, which is still low enough you wouldn't have to worry a whole lot. I'd still think its investment worthy if you're going to hold onto it for the long haul.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Ah ok, I thought it was only going to be for its production run.

Well the original Shelby's went 6 years; 7 if you count non US cars. All of them are valuable now, obviously early ones more so especially legitimate R cars.

Regardless, if they limit it to 100 cars per year that's still only 300 cars over a 3 year period, which is still low enough you wouldn't have to worry a whole lot. I'd still think its investment worthy if you're going to hold onto it for the long haul.

I don't have any supporting data, but I doubt the original Shelbys eclipsed their original value until the 1980s when the first wave of massive automotive investment began.

The thinking in the 60s and 70s was "nobody wants last year's race cars"

 

[Slash]

I don't have any supporting data, but I doubt the original Shelbys eclipsed their original value until the 1980s when the first wave of massive automotive investment began.

The thinking in the 60s and 70s was "nobody wants last year's race cars"

Given my knowledge of the 70s I think you'd be right, that and the fact that typical cars of the era were selling cheap to the youth market since no one could afford to drive them anymore.

However, you also have to see it this way as the economy of now is different than back then. They may have eclipsed their original value sooner had the market not taken a turn for the worst in the early 70s and then continued on for a decade. It's really hit or miss with this next wave of cars; there's a chance it may go up or do nothing. I guess we will find out when they start hitting the streets (more than they are now). We aren't in near the economic state we were back then. We might not be perfect, but I'm thinking we are far better off. If in fact they do appreciate, I'd think it'd happen sooner than later.

 

[Tornado]

The original Shelbys were also built (for the most part) by Shelby, and the ones that weren't Ford pretended were anyway to immense consumer apathy (which is likely the only reason those ones are valuable). In comparison, these are just an extremely nice regular Mustang built alongside other regularly nice regular Mustangs; and Ford has made lots of those in increasing niceness over the past 15 years.



I think what is more likely to happen is the same thing that happened with the C4 ZR1, where the people who really want them will buy more than one and generally just trade them amongst themselves as the years go buy. Keeping the price up a lot higher than any other contemporary Mustang but still at a loss.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Given my knowledge of the 70s I think you'd be right, that and the fact that typical cars of the era were selling cheap to the youth market since no one could afford to drive them anymore.

However, you also have to see it this way as the economy of now is different than back then. They may have eclipsed their original value sooner had the market not taken a turn for the worst in the early 70s and then continued on for a decade. It's really hit or miss with this next wave of cars; there's a chance it may go up or do nothing. I guess we will find out when they start hitting the streets (more than they are now). We aren't in near the economic state we were back then. We might not be perfect, but I'm thinking we are far better off. If in fact they do appreciate, I'd think it'd happen sooner than later.

I predict a sudden and rather disastrous depreciation of all (or at least most) automotive assets in the next 25-30 years. People of the millennial generation simply are not interested in cars, and certainly not as investments. When the baby boomers are gone (which is approaching more and more quickly) there are going to be absurd numbers of well preserved classic cars flooding the market with few people interested in buying them. Think of all of your friends and contemporaries. Chances are very few of them have any interest in cars. Of course this is good news for the actual enthusiasts.

 

[Slash]

Hadn't even thought about that. Good point.

 

[05XR8]

I predict a sudden and rather disastrous depreciation of all (or at least most) automotive assets in the next 25-30 years. People of the millennial generation simply are not interested in cars, and certainly not as investments. When the baby boomers are gone (which is approaching more and more quickly) there are going to be absurd numbers of well preserved classic cars flooding the market with few people interested in buying them. Think of all of your friends and contemporaries. Chances are very few of them have any interest in cars. Of course this is good news for the actual enthusiasts.

Then where do you run them when theyre frowned upon during weekdays? If your local dragstrip or race track loses out on funding from that baby boomer money, these cars will become relics(I don't believe it but, it is possible).

 

[Patrick]

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Then where do you run them when theyre frowned upon during weekdays? If your local dragstrip or race track loses out on funding from that baby boomer money, these cars will become relics(I don't believe it but, it is possible).

The other component to my theory is that such drastic regulations in the next fifteen years will render basically all new cars nearly emissions-neutral. In addition, I also predict a massive reinvestment in transportation infrastructure at least here in the US, with local transport systems modeled on successful light rail programs like exists in Portland Or, and a significant shift of freight from trucks to rail. Essentially, a considerably different transportation landscape with more emphasis on rail and a lot less emissions producing vehicles. If this happens quickly enough, there will be no motivation to extend emissions regulations to historic cars because they will be comparatively rare and an insignificant producer of emissions. Bring on electric cars!

 

[Cale]

 

[McLaren]

You guys these things will appreciate in the near future? The Cobra R definitely did, basically instantly, but none of the subsequent models have. I've got the cash for an R....but I'm not sure it would be the greatest idea at this point in my life...

They retailed at $50-55,000 before Dealer Adjustments. Some cars reached $80,000 in 2000-2001. They retail $40K today for a low mileage example & have been for some years now. That car bit those looking for an investment in the rear.

I think the 350R can hold its MSRP value for a few years, & maybe even beyond. I don't know if 302 Laguna Secas are still holding their retail values, but if they are, I believe even more that the 350R can. Compared to the Cobra R, this 350R is an extremely solid piece of machinery for the same price tag the Cobra R was.


Edit* That video above me feel all warm & fuzzy inside. I'm far from a Mustang fan, but I might have to change my decision before and pick the R over the Z/28 based on that exhaust.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Sounds really awful without the cutouts open. So I would perma-open them.

Reminds me of SLP exhaust on the Terminators. I would love to hear a Corsa catback on one of these....

They retailed at $50-55,000 before Dealer Adjustments. Some cars reached $80,000 in 2000-2001. They retail $40K today for a low mileage example & have been for some years now. That car bit those looking for an investment in the rear.

I think the 350R can hold its MSRP value for a few years, & maybe even beyond. I don't know if 302 Laguna Secas are still holding their retail values, but if they are, I believe even more that the 350R can. Compared to the Cobra R, this 350R is an extremely solid piece of machinery for the same price tag the Cobra R was.


Edit* That video above me feel all warm & fuzzy inside. I'm far from a Mustang fan, but I might have to change my decision before and pick the R over the Z/28 based on that exhaust.

Wow I didn't realize the Cobra R didn't hold it's value. For some reason I thought these were trading hands for 80-100k. A Cobra R with under 5,000 miles for $40k actually seems like a decent buy.

 

[ildd]

This makes new happy in mature, grown up places

 

[Blackbird.]

I think they will go up in value long term. The run for R models is very limited. Didn't they say they were only making 100 R cars? If so I could see that being an investment.

For '15 37.

Beyond that I don't know the exact numbers. 500 pops in my head for total production when its all said and done. For the Rs only. The non-R should be in the thousands for total produced. But for '15 there was 100 non-Rs

 

[05XR8]

The other component to my theory is that such drastic regulations in the next fifteen years will render basically all new cars nearly emissions-neutral. In addition, I also predict a massive reinvestment in transportation infrastructure at least here in the US, with local transport systems modeled on successful light rail programs like exists in Portland Or, and a significant shift of freight from trucks to rail. Essentially, a considerably different transportation landscape with more emphasis on rail and a lot less emissions producing vehicles. If this happens quickly enough, there will be no motivation to extend emissions regulations to historic cars because they will be comparatively rare and an insignificant producer of emissions. Bring on electric cars!

Melbourne is the perfect place to experience trams in action. 👍

 

[Blackbird.]

Edit* That video above me feel all warm & fuzzy inside. I'm far from a Mustang fan, but I might have to change my decision before and pick the R over the Z/28 based on that exhaust.

I did contemplate the $5k over because this car is so awesome but then I start to think I'm looking at a $60k+ Mustang out the door. It's not that good.

 

[88GTA]

I did contemplate the $5k over because this car is so awesome but then I start to think I'm looking at a $60k+ Mustang out the door. It's not that good.

I don't blame you at all for walking out. Couldn't you get a nice C7 Stingray for $60k? I mean some of us need back seats, but is a Shelby GT350 worth two Ecostangs?

 

[Blackbird.]

I don't blame you at all for walking out. Couldn't you get a nice C7 Stingray for $60k? I mean some of us need back seats, but is a Shelby GT350 worth two Ecostangs?

I'm an enthusiast, as many on this forum are. So I like what I like at any given time. I think the C7 is a great car, that's all I ever hear about it. It's still pretty expensive for me, not necessarily in general compared to cars at it's caliber. It starts at what? $55k? then you have to pile on the options to get a really nice one. Of course here I am trying to get a $50k Mustang with very little creature comforts. But the C7 is supposed to be a GT while the GT350 is supposed to be a track car(while I probably won't use it for that reason). In this point and time i'm... captured, I guess, by the GT350 and I want it. Many people would disagree with me probably but I'd rather option out a Cayman S before going the Corvette route. I'd love to have a Z06 though.

I know the 'vette is probably cheaper or at least better value then the Cayman as far as performance. But like I said I have a passion for cars for different reasons, sometimes it doesn't make logical sense.

 

[GTboyz]

I have a passion for cars for different reasons, sometimes it doesn't make logical sense.

I can relate to that.

 

[Grandea GTR]

I don't blame you at all for walking out. Couldn't you get a nice C7 Stingray for $60k? I mean some of us need back seats, but is a Shelby GT350 worth two Ecostangs?

Everyone has their own preferences.