2015 Ford Mustang - General Discussion

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So I went and drove an EcoBoost, premium w/ Recaros but no performance package, 6-speed.

The chassis is really quite nice, didn't throw it around too much but it rides hamazing for a Mustang, steering is decent, not much feel but very direct and surprisingly quick, shifter's pretty nice, only complaint would be that the throws are almost too short... Interior is leaps and bounds better than previously, it's honestly a really nice car. Except for one thing that's completely inescapable.

It's heavy. It's really heavy. You can tell the moment you get rolling that this thing is rather, ehm, substantial. It's more car than the 2.3 can reasonably deal with off boost. Get it on boil and there's some hustle available, but it never feels like a willing partner; it's slow to rev (feels like a 40lb flywheel/clutch), slow to spool even when wrung tight, the motor just lets the rest of the car down.

Which makes it a serious shame that the 3.7 has been reduced to rental car only fare, as it was actually very good in any trim, not to mention had flexibility in spades compared to the EB 4. The 3.7/auto cars would tap into 6th at 45mph or so with 2.73s. This put it at right around 1000rpm... And there was still acceleration available without unlocking the converter. Couple it to a stick with 3.31s and it just sorta woke up to become something actively sporty. Oh and the 2.3's noise, even after faking it worse than a porn star who isn't being paid well enough, sounds agricultural and labored all the time.

tl;dr: 2015 Mustang is entirely too heavy for the 2.3 EcoBoost. 2.7EB would be a massive improvement while still leaving plenty of headroom for the 5.0.
 
:lol: Agricultural! That is perfect. You're right though-- that V6 was great. And it already got 40mpg on the highway. Let's get real, though: The mustang was designed for that V8.
 
So I went and drove an EcoBoost, premium w/ Recaros but no performance package, 6-speed.

The chassis is really quite nice, didn't throw it around too much but it rides hamazing for a Mustang, steering is decent, not much feel but very direct and surprisingly quick, shifter's pretty nice, only complaint would be that the throws are almost too short... Interior is leaps and bounds better than previously, it's honestly a really nice car. Except for one thing that's completely inescapable.

It's heavy. It's really heavy. You can tell the moment you get rolling that this thing is rather, ehm, substantial. It's more car than the 2.3 can reasonably deal with off boost. Get it on boil and there's some hustle available, but it never feels like a willing partner; it's slow to rev (feels like a 40lb flywheel/clutch), slow to spool even when wrung tight, the motor just lets the rest of the car down.

Which makes it a serious shame that the 3.7 has been reduced to rental car only fare, as it was actually very good in any trim, not to mention had flexibility in spades compared to the EB 4. The 3.7/auto cars would tap into 6th at 45mph or so with 2.73s. This put it at right around 1000rpm... And there was still acceleration available without unlocking the converter. Couple it to a stick with 3.31s and it just sorta woke up to become something actively sporty. Oh and the 2.3's noise, even after faking it worse than a porn star who isn't being paid well enough, sounds agricultural and labored all the time.

tl;dr: 2015 Mustang is entirely too heavy for the 2.3 EcoBoost. 2.7EB would be a massive improvement while still leaving plenty of headroom for the 5.0.

And that's exactly why I've never understood Ford's relentless pushing of the EB Mustang. It just doesn't seem to fit the ethos of the car. Put a retuned 3.7 in it with 330hp or so, aggressive gearing, and all the GT350 weight reduction. I would be allllll over that. :drool:
 
:lol: Agricultural! That is perfect. You're right though-- that V6 was great. And it already got 40mpg on the highway. Let's get real, though: The mustang was designed for that V8.

Very true, though it's not as if the lower models are unimportant to the 'Stang, I just wish they'd actually made the EB entertaining.

Also, I noticed you can get a V6 with 3.55s now, but you can't get Recaros or any of the other nice things. Still may be the most entertaining option for a budget.

And that's exactly why I've never understood Ford's relentless pushing of the EB Mustang. It just doesn't seem to fit the ethos of the car. Put a retuned 3.7 in it with 330hp or so, aggressive gearing, and all the GT350 weight reduction. I would be allllll over that. :drool:

330hp may be difficult to get out of a production legalized 3.7; look at Nissan's VQ37VHRs, they need everything they've got to make that number, and Ford doesn't have a variable duration/lift setup yet. If I could get a V6/6-speed with Recaros (and dual exhaust because it should at least sorta look the part) that'd be the ticket.
 
Yet I'd still go for the EB because it's far easier to get sufficient power out of it. There's already 400bhp EB's out there after few bolt ons..
 
I'm pretty sure you can still buy a V6 model. I went to look at the new Mustang when they first hit dealers and they had a couple V6's on the lot.
 
You can, but you can't upgrade them at all. They are basically optionless cars.
Exactly. The track pack is gone for the V6 and is only available on the Ecostang and V8s.
I remember looking at a 2011 Mustang V6 with the track pack which included taller rear gears and that was a fun car.

I hope this doesn't mean the Focus RS will be rubbish.
Only if they make it weigh as much as the Mustang.

tl;dr: 2015 Mustang is entirely too heavy for the 2.3 EcoBoost. 2.7EB would be a massive improvement while still leaving plenty of headroom for the 5.0.
Thanks for your 1st-hand thoughts. 👍
 
Only if they make it weigh as much as the Mustang.

I'm worried that it will be damn near the same weight. The front wheel drive, 2.0 EB Focus ST already weighs a pretty substantial 3250lbs, and Ford isn't exactly claiming any strives for reduced mass with the RS. I could see the AWD system and larger engine (with bigger/heavier intercooler, cast iron cylinder liners, and larger turbocharger) adding at least another 100, if not 200lbs. I wouldn't be shocked to see a 3500lbs Focus RS honestly.
 
It's not the weight im talking about it's the power delivery, a modern 2.3L turbo that produces lots more low end torque then a V6 should feel more powerful in the low end then one.

May need an update if it isn't the case.
 
It's not the weight im talking about it's the power delivery, a modern 2.3L turbo that produces lots more low end torque then a V6 should feel more powerful in the low end then one.

May need an update if it isn't the case.

It will....after the turbo spools. And while lag is largely midigated these days there will always be that slight hesitation. In practice it doesn't amount to much, but it always makes the engine/car feel like it doesn't want to play. Whereas a good n/a engine has a particular sensation that I will attempt to describe. My RX7 was a good example of this when it was running. I had a twin 48mm choke carb on it with a very elaborate and adjustable throttle which meant the throttle response was more like telepathy than response. If you were anywhere within the powerband (from like 3,000 to 8500rpm) the pedal had this very "solid" feel to it. It didn't so much feel like you were controlling the engine with it, but actually the car itself.

With a turbo engine, even an excellent one, you always feel you are sending inputs to an engine [or even just a turbo] which is then moving the car. Its an extra member to the party. Sometimes this ménage à trois can be absolutely wonderful. Each partner imparts a different sensation on your body as you work them both to their limits. In really good cases they work together to heighten the stimulation. A certain 25 year old Italian is exceptionally known for this. All too often though, the pair don't communicate very well and you find yourself enjoying one over the other. Or worse, one kind of hesitates to your requests (it's never a no, but you can tell it doesn't really want to, which kind of ruins the fun) and is only good at going slow and doesn't particularly like being smacked around, or even make nice high pitch screams....just sort of low grumbling groans with a couple of whooshes and chirps. And I'm not one to judge, but they usually carry a fair bit more mass too. Some people are totally into that though.
 
Saw a GT350R cruise down main street in Ann Arbor this evening. It seems to be a very quiet car when you aren't on it.

The exhaust also has valves. So maybe it was closed. Why you'd drive a car like that with closed valves...? No idea.
 
They should rename the quiet exhaust mode "Irritable Neighbors" mode. :lol:

Or "Loud Mouth Camouflage". Imagine your neighbors talking as you go by their house:

"Hey, that guy in the Mustang... His car is so quiet, that's great to see. No annoying engine noises..."

(Mustang revs up, opens exhaust valves and causes car alarms to go off in a 5-mile radius)

"Oh come on! :mad:" :lol:
 
Sometimes this ménage à trois can be absolutely wonderful. Each partner imparts a different sensation on your body as you work them both to their limits. In really good cases they work together to heighten the stimulation. A certain 25 year old Italian is exceptionally known for this. All too often though, the pair don't communicate very well and you find yourself enjoying one over the other. Or worse, one kind of hesitates to your requests (it's never a no, but you can tell it doesn't really want to, which kind of ruins the fun) and is only good at going slow and doesn't particularly like being smacked around, or even make nice high pitch screams....just sort of low grumbling groans with a couple of whooshes and chirps. And I'm not one to judge, but they usually carry a fair bit more mass too. Some people are totally into that though.

#HOP I ain't gay.
 
Looks like the Continental Tire teams (or some of them) will be using the new car this weekend.

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/06/24/ford-mustang-shelby-gt350r-c-watkins-glen/

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Yet I'd still go for the EB because it's far easier to get sufficient power out of it. There's already 400bhp EB's out there after few bolt ons..
I'm still indifferent on the Ecoboost, but that does seem to be a part of it. Okay, so the V8 has tuning potential too, but the modern turbocharged stuff is pretty crazy in that regard.
 
I'm still indifferent on the Ecoboost, but that does seem to be a part of it. Okay, so the V8 has tuning potential too, but the modern turbocharged stuff is pretty crazy in that regard.

There's that, and then most of the reviews say that the Ecoboost feels more eager to do some canyon carving due to lighter front end. Yet, they also mention that Fiesta ST is still the best grin-inducing bargain out there due to it's eagerness to turn and go.

Edit: Also, now that we know the power and torque output for the Focus RS, we can hope that the kit will be offered for Ecoboost Mustang as well. 345bhp and 325ft-lbs sounds good to me.
 
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Imagine what a Fiesta ST with a Focus ST motor in it would do! That would be a fun swap, I'm too lazy to look up google and see if its been done.

Also, the coyote 2.0 is basically a road runner motor (correct me if I'm wrong), anyways the roadrunner motor has been proven to handle 850rwhp. Engine power had an episode with a Boss 302 Hellion twin turbos + upgraded fuel injectors and full exhaust (after the supplied hellion longtubes).
6lbs - 625rwhp
10lbs - 721rwhp
16lbs - 910rwhp
http://www.powernationtv.com/episode/EP2014-07/twin-turbo-coyote
 
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