2015 Ford Mustang - General Discussion

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I've read quite a few articles to state that they were actually quite capable in corners.

Compared to what? The Boss 302 has always been regarded as the track cars of the Mustang line up.

What's wrong with a straight line rocket?

Nothing at all...

But I'm a person that loves a straight line rocket and a mountain carver

ZL1

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

and now, with lighter weight and IRS, 429 probably could handle a lot better if the example set by Shelby GT500 or 302 Laguna Seca is legit.

 

[SVT Cobra GT]

I hope they don't put a diesel engine in the Euro Spec Mustangs, they might as well just burn them if they do that.

Oh and also the new Mustang is now in Need For Speed Rivals. Saw it on facebook the other day.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

and now, with lighter weight and IRS, 429 probably could handle a lot better if the example set by Shelby GT500 or 302 Laguna Seca is legit.

Yes could, but wont do nearly as well as the 302, especially if the 429 is modular (why wouldn't it be) like it's current mustang brethren. The engine will be a damn boat anchor compared to the 5.0 probably have an even higher center of gravity in the front and be heavy all around. It will be what the Challenger T/A was from SCCA racing in modern day , nice try but not good enough that's what it will be.

Then again who knows they could solve all this and the world will split in half as I've said. Boss 429 is my second favorite mustang ever to exist but I can't deny its issues (at least from back then).

 

[Slash]

Yes could, but wont do nearly as well as the 302, especially if the 429 is modular (why wouldn't it be) like it's current mustang brethren. The engine will be a damn boat anchor compared to the 5.0 probably have an even higher center of gravity in the front and be heavy all around. It will be what the Challenger T/A was from SCCA racing in modern day , nice try but not good enough that's what it will be.

Then again who knows they could solve all this and the world will split in half as I've said. Boss 429 is my second favorite mustang ever to exist but I can't deny its issues (at least from back then).

High displacement doesn't necessarily mean the engine will be heavy or large. It could be more compact actually, especially if they went back to an older design (which wouldn't happen anyways). They don't need 429ci to make a 429 engine again though...would it be cool? Yes, but not needed. There could be other ways they come up with something that makes 429. Would be cool if they brought back that Semi-Hemi design as well.


The Boss 429 motor was a lot stronger than people give it credit for though. It really depended on the engine code you had...the earliest 1969 models were the "S" code car and that was pretty much a hopped up NASCAR spec motor..the "T" code engine lost all the NASCAR parts and the "A" code got all the smog equipment. Not to mention they were electronically limited to 6,100rpm and that engine likes to sit a 9,000...375hp my butthole. And to top that off, an even wilder version built of all aluminum was made by Ford for the Can-Am series...

Personally, I think the Boss 351 wouldn't be all that far out, especially if they base it on cubic inches like they used to (and still do, like with the Boss 302's revival).

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

High displacement doesn't necessarily mean the engine will be heavy or large. It could be more compact actually.

Would be cool if they brought back that Semi-Hemi design as well.

But as you saw I'm basing it off the modular engines which we all know are big and heavy.

The Boss 429 motor was a lot stronger than people give it credit for though. It really depended on the engine code you had...the earliest 1969 models were the "S" code car and that was pretty much a hopped up NASCAR spec motor..the "T" code engine lost all the NASCAR parts and the "A" code got all the smog equipment. Not to mention they were electronically limited to 6,100rpm and that engine likes to sit a 9,000...375hp my butthole.

Who said it wasn't strong? I think the engine is great, but it isn't a good road track engine compared to the 302 and the engines supposedly dyno'd at 500+.

 

[Slash]

But as you saw I'm basing it off the modular engines which we all know are big and heavy.

I edited my post, sorry for that. That is true though. It would be interesting to see how it goes. As I said, I think a Boss 351 wouldn't be that far off since there are aftermarket stroker kits for the 5.0 that already bring it up to 351ci.

Who said it wasn't strong? I think the engine is great, but it isn't a good road track engine compared to the 302 and the engines supposedly dyno'd at 500+.

You definitely are right about it not being a track engine like a 302...that wasn't the purpose of it. It's purpose was to legalize it for NASCAR use. The 302 got it's entirely own car though still was a ton different then the Trans AM variant. The 302 itself in that car has a long history lmao

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I edited my post, sorry for that. That is true though. It would be interesting to see how it goes. As I said, I think a Boss 351 wouldn't be that far off since there are aftermarket stroker kits for the 5.0 that already bring it up to 351ci.

I like this idea as well, and hell if chevy are going to use every damn modern GM engine known to man for their performance line up then I think Ford should too. But that's just me wanting desert all day.

You definitely are right about it not being a track engine like a 302...that wasn't the purpose of it. It's purpose was to legalize it for NASCAR use. The 302 got it's entirely own car though still was a ton different then the Trans AM variant. The 302 itself in that car has a long history lmao

True it wasn't the purpose but it didn't stop Kar Kraft from trying to make it one and take it to T/A while Ford and them had it in NASCAR as well. Yeah I know the 302 has a long history in general with Ford and is probably their most iconic engine along with the 289 that was also in a ton of mustangs and other applications.

 

[Slash]

I like this idea as well, and hell if chevy are going to use every damn modern GM engine known to man for their performance line up then I think Ford should too. But that's just me wanting desert all day.

The 4.6L was as close to the 289 as far as displacement as we were going to get

True it wasn't the purpose but it didn't stop Kar Kraft from trying to make it one and take it to T/A while Ford and them had it in NASCAR as well. Yeah I know the 302 has a long history in general with Ford and is probably their most iconic engine along with the 289 that was also in a ton of mustangs and other applications.

Kar Kraft did take the the Boss 302 to the T/A, the 429 was not even close to being legal for the T/A series

There have been a TON of engines in Mustangs over the years, some where the same block with low and high compression versions, and others the same block that had that and other monikers that came with them...it's crazy..not to mention the 6 cylinders offered as well. The 302 has pretty much been the standard V8 since 1974/75 though, even though it was offered prior.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

The 4.6L was as close to the 289 as far as displacement as we were going to get

True.

Kar Kraft did take the the Boss 302 to the T/A, the 429 was not even close to being legal for the T/A series

Must have confused the two, I though the 429 was also homologated under SCCA conditions even if the engine package wasn't right for 69, Not sure about 70 since the engine rules changed and allowed for much bigger sizes than 305.

 

[Slash]

True.
Must have confused the two, I though the 429 was also homologated under SCCA conditions even if the engine package wasn't right for 69, Not sure about 70 since the engine rules changed and allowed for much bigger sizes than 305.

The way I remember it was they dropped the size to 305ci. The rules were the same from 1966-1972. http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=7850.0

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

The way I remember it was they dropped the size to 305ci. The rules were the same from 1966-1972. http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=7850.0

Well I don't recall them, the only years I ever cared to read about all had 305, but for some reason I though the 70s ushered in bigger sizes because of the AAR. But that's not correct and I just went back to check and was reminded that the AAR didn't run the production 340 like I thought but a destroked version, so obviously I need to read up on my vintage SCCA rules.

 

[Slash]

Yeah the 340 was destroked for the series.

 

[RocZX]

Ford to offer live axle on 2015 Mustang......but only for race model.

It looks like Ford will be offering a solid axle Mustang after all--albeit not as a complete Gas2 (via Mustangs Daily) that the company is planning to offer a 2015 Mustang "body in white" with a nine-inch solid rear axle. The model will be aimed largely at the drag racing fraternity, for whom live axles are still the best tool for the job--as well as being simpler and easier to maintain than the street-handling-friendly but more complicated independent setup.

The setup is likely to be just one part of a wider "body in white" program of Mustangs, intended to "attract serious racers to the platform". Rival Chevy has offered something similar with the Camaro for several years, allowing racers to prepare a vehicle to their own tastes depending on their chosen discipline. For the in the rumored 2015 Mustang Cobra Jet.

Motor Authority

 

[Slash]

Hell yes! The 9" is one bad mother:censored: axle!!!!

 

[Badasp5.0]

Hell yes! The 9" is one bad mother:censored: axle!!!!

You know what is funny is the current COPO Camaro has a Ford 9inch as well.

 

[Slash]

You know what is funny is the current COPO Camaro has a Ford 9inch as well.

It used in a lot of applications, much like the Dana 60.

 

[Badasp5.0]

It used in a lot of applications, much like the Dana 60.

Oh yeah its a awesome rear end. I just find it amusing that GM uses it on that Camaro. I wonder if FRPP is going to offer a Soild axle swap kit for the S550.

 

[Slash]

I wonder what they market it as. There's no way they are going to say it's a Ford axle.

 

[Badasp5.0]

I wonder what they market it as. There's no way they are going to say it's a Ford axle.

Strange Engineering '9 center section. https://www.chevrolet.com/performance/copo-camaro.html

 

[Slash]

Strange Engineering '9 center section. https://www.chevrolet.com/performance/copo-camaro.html

Definitely a Ford axle. This picture is the 2012 COPO Camaro undercarriage. 35 spline axles, 4.10 gears, 35 spline spool...

Heres one in a Ranger

Here's that same axle as standard in millions of F-150s with the same specs.. LOL

 

[Keef]

So it's a modified Ford design. @Slashfan GM probably doesn't care as long as they sell cars.

 

[Slash]

Yeah you're right they probably don't. It's the same thing Toyota did with their axle/engine in the TRD.

EDIT:


GT350 shows up in order catalog.

http://autoblog.ca/reader/news/2015-shelby-mustang-gt350-shows-up-in-dealer-promoorder-system

 

[Crash]

Is there anything in the world to you that you believe isn't a Ford design?

A couple of coinciding numbers does not make two products the same in the engineering world. There are vast amount of other considerations to take into account that is far more important.

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I really like how the new Mustang looks, in particular from the side profile. It doesn't look nearly as slab-sided, and looks a lot more elegant than in the past.

 

[Slash]

Actually yeah I do but when you work on them and realize 99% of the part interchange and then you know who came up with it originally....well you get my point. Besides I've only pointed out a select few things and you are jumping down my throat saying I think everything is a knock off Ford simply isn't the case at all.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

I can't wait to see a 2015 5.0 GT up close.

 

[Badasp5.0]

Is there anything in the world to you that you believe isn't a Ford design?

A couple of coinciding numbers does not make two products the same in the engineering world. There are vast amount of other considerations to take into account that is far more important.

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I really like how the new Mustang looks, in particular from the side profile. It doesn't look nearly as slab-sided, and looks a lot more elegant than in the past.

Uhhhh It is a Ford designed rear end, the Ford 9inch is the standard rear end to put in powerful drag cars its a popular swap. Read the review of the COPO Camaro by Hot Rod Magazine and they mention the Ford 9inch in the review which is how I learned about it.

 

[Zenith]

Having done a fair amount of research into rear axles for when I swapped mine, the Ford 9 Inch design (Yes, 9 inch refers to the design, not a single measurement) is by far the most popular and rugged design. Drag racers commonly use them in Mopar and GM cars over the 10/12 Bolt and Dana rear ends.

But it's a freaking axle, nothing to go crazy brand war over. The axle in the Camaro isn't even made by Ford, it's made by Strange, a well known drag racing part producer. I believe the Cobra Jet Mustang uses Strange parts. Heck, my rear end uses mostly Strange parts. The axle in the Camaro is simply built to certain specifications that originated from Ford 60 years ago.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Having done a fair amount of research into rear axles for when I swapped mine, the Ford 9 Inch design (Yes, 9 inch refers to the design, not a single measurement) is by far the most popular and rugged design. Drag racers commonly use them in Mopar and GM cars over the 10/12 Bolt and Dana rear ends.

But it's a freaking axle, nothing to go crazy brand war over. The axle in the Camaro isn't even made by Ford, it's made by Strange, a well known drag racing part producer. I believe the Cobra Jet Mustang uses Strange parts. Heck, my rear end uses mostly Strange parts. The axle in the Camaro is simply built to certain specifications that originated from Ford 60 years ago.

Also to add to this Strange axles are some of the best in the world for the applications they put them towards, and I much rather have a leader in the industry like them build my rear end high performance axle than Ford. Then again maybe I was raised to believe that strange rear ends are the best, as well as Richmond transmissions, and merlin blocks...but that's just me.

 

[Slash]

That's all really high end stuff though. Some of the 9" stuff from Ford is some of the strongest stuff in the world (factory stock speaking), hence it's popularity, and to top that off, it was made in extremely high numbers. Stock 9" rears are good for a LOT of power.