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[HKS racer]

98% of fans blindly Rossi fans.

Fans are not jury.

 

[Peasantslayer]

That's still allowed in the rules, maybe a bit of a jerk move but nothing illegal.

What's telemetry going to prove?? Genuine question...

That you are intentionally slowing down to cause problems for another rider, he was a second faster than everyone else on the last lap of Phillip Island, his times improved considerably in the last 2 laps while everyone else became slower.

 

[HKS racer]

You will have to take that up with Mike Webb, of the Barcelona Webbs.

I just hope he know what he is doing. Credibility of this sport is at risk. They already allowed Marc Marquez selectively race against only one rider wich is not supposed to happen in a fair competition.

 

[tomhart9]

BT Sport:
Rossi gets 3 penalty points and starts at the back of the grid for the next race.
Importantly keeps his championship points

 

[DK]

Rossi will keep his points, but he will start from the back of the grid in Valencia.

 

[ShiftingGears]

I just hope he know what he is doing. Credibility of this sport is at risk.

Indeed.

 

[HKS racer]

What's telemetry going to prove?? Genuine question...

What Rossi said couple of days ago.

 

[GTP_Ingram]

I'm a huge Rossi fan, and I have been since the late nineties. However, anyone defending Rossi - or trying to somehow blame Marquez - cannot be sound of mind.

This all started on Thursday during the press conference, when Rossi accused Marquez of trying to help Lorenzo's cause. Throughout his career, Rossi has been (in my opinion) the best sportsman in the world for playing mind games, but on Thursday he got it wrong. After what Rossi said, it meant that if Marc became involved in a battle, what was he meant to do, just bow down and let him pass? No, of course he's going to have to fight even harder, to prove he isn't weak.

Moaning about Marc's agression? Give me a break. There have been several occasions where I feel Marquez has overstepped the mark in his career, but until that point, it was a brilliant hard racing from the two most determined, aggressive racers on the planet. Both gave as good as they got. Rossi got frustrated, and took it too far.

If was anyone but Rossi had pulled that move, you'd all be calling for his head. Compare this move to Schumacher/Hill in '94, or Schumacher/Villeneuve in '97, and the slightly nasty streak doesn't seem any different in principle.

Personally I think the penalty is too lenient, Rossi should have his points removed for the race.

 

[ShiftingGears]

 

[Mike Rotch]

"I didn’t see when I was making the slowdown lap, but then I saw the accident," said Lorenzo after the race. "It was huge. I don’t know what to say. It’s clear that he took Marquez off and the regulation is fair.

"This time they need to give him a big penalty."

I guess back to cold war in the garage. Should have just kept his mouth shut.

Edit: Yamaha are appealing, sure it won't win.

Anyway, season effectively over. I am sure MM will now roll over and let JL win and it wll be impossible for Rossi to overtake everyone bar 1 in Valencia.

 

[JockeP22]

 

[Mike Rotch]

Lorenzo overtakign Rossi under yellows...?

 

[Jimlaad43]

To those that didn't see it:

From that video, Marquez seems to headbutt Rossi's leg, and Rossi responds by flicking his leg out, dropping Marquez to the floor.

 

[spyrrari]

Lorenzo overtakign Rossi under yellows...?

Could be the best thing: Rossi and Lorenzo both starting from the back at Valencia and fight it out that way....







Spy.

 

[mustafur]

From that video, Marquez seems to headbutt Rossi's leg, and Rossi responds by flicking his leg out, dropping Marquez to the floor.

Lets forget that he is slowly being pushed off track as well.

 

[Mike Rotch]

Looks to me like MM riding into, leaning into VR, and VR pushing him away - and touching the brake lever:

 

[GTPorsche]

Judging from that video, I concur. Looks like MM is trying to take VR out and VR isn't having any of that nonsense.

 

[Dennisch]

MM should be punished as well. No way that they can only blame Rossi for this.

Did someone start a secret agenda against Rossi's tenth or something?

 

[Vinylshark]

Honestly, this just had to happen sooner or later. Marquez did so many dumb and dangerous moves in the last years. Taking riders out, forcing them to go wide and so on, and he never got penalized for his actions. Marquez always thought that he owns the race tracks and the Dorna never bothered to show him that this is not the case. Maybe today finally woke him up.
I really can't blame Rossi for it or any other rider. I probably would've done it even sooner.

 

[Peasantslayer]

Rossi should have definitely been disqualified but Marquez should also be stopped from racing in Valencia.

 

[Mike Rotch]

From Race Direction:

“Finally, we actually believe there is fault on both sides. Despite what Marquez said we think he was deliberately trying to affect the pace of Valentino. However he didn't actually break any rules. Whatever we think about the spirit of the championship, according to the rule book he didn't make contact. His passes were clean. He rode within the rules.

“Valentino reacted to what he saw as provocation from Marquez and unfortunately his reaction was a manoeuvre that was against the rules. It's irresponsible riding causing a crash. We believe the contact was deliberate. He says he did not want Marquez to crash, but he did want to run him wide.”

 

[GTPorsche]

Did they not watch the replay and see him trying to headbutt Rossi's knee?

I'm not saying either one isn't at fault here, but both should be penalized for it.

 

[Peasantslayer]

Did they not watch the replay and see him trying to headbutt Rossi's knee?

I'm not saying either one isn't at fault here, but both should be penalized for it.

It looked like Rossi turned ever so slightly for a split second (watch the front wheel closely) before straightening up again and Marquez took that as his cue to start turning into the corner which led to the initial contact.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

The championship standings and who is and isn't involved in the title race shouldn't be taken into account on any penalties. That's no how rules and regulations work.

No people have been banned before, by directly or indirectly causing avoidable collision or accidents that have in turn put a championship in nigh-disrepute. Most recent case of this I can think of is the Grosjean ban back in 2012.

It looked like Rossi turned ever so slightly for a split second (watch the front wheel closely) before straightening up again and Marquez took that as his cue to start turning into the corner which led to the initial contact.

I don't see that, all I see is Rossi looking over to see what Marquez would do next so he can try and counter it. Then Marc leans in and thus seems to be positioning his head toward Rossi to unbalance him and thus Rossi counter with the knee jerk which seems to collect Marquez's hand.

 

[Bo]

Rossi's kick wasn't an "I want to take you out of the race" action - it was a "please get off me, I'm sick of you trying to take me out" kick. The only thing that resulted in Marquez falling was his own decision to ram his head against Rossi's bike.

I think people are getting annoyed at the wrong things here. Was the end result what we all wanted? No, nobody wants to see one rider's actions completely take out another rider. That I can understand being frustrated about. Were Rossi's intentions justified? Completely. If you had someone blocking and cutting you up for the majority of the race, and then got headbutted, you can't deny that you'd be trying to give him a stern message too.

 

[Prince.M5]

Not many Lorenzo fans in Sepang. He was rather quickly gone from the podium as well.

Not just because there weren't many Lorenzo fans, but also Rossi fans were booing him on the podium. That's why he left.

What both, Rossi and Marquez did was rather stupid and I put the blame on both of them. But I sense there was indeed a conspiracy between all Spanish riders and the Italian rider. And whatever that happened between Rossi and Marquez, was rather personal.

I also don't like how Lorenzo is being so vocal and bossy about it, being completely against Rossi. There were also a tweet that he was there about the Race Direction screaming, shouting. It's cool to have rivalries, but not this kind.

 

[mustafur]

What if I told you the only way Marquez was going to stay on track was to ride into Rossi.

He was being cornered into the sand by Rossi, what else is he going to do?

 

[Carlos]

Look at Rossi's front suspension. It stays somewhat level until Marc almost drives into him, meaning Rossi released the brakes. Now look again and watch at Marc's front suspension. The camera follows Rossi and if you look at Marquez it almost looks like he is accelerating because he is coming back into the view.

 

[Brend]

I love how the logic of someone trying to headbutt someone during a race isn't as bad as someone trying to nudge someone as a reaction of said headbutt.

For me the blame lies with MM. Rossi may have reacted in a disappointing manner for some, but he wouldnt have reacted hadn't MM acted like a 🤬.

 

[HKS racer]

From Race Direction:
Despite what Marquez said we think he was deliberately trying to affect the pace of Valentino. However he didn't actually break any rules.

This is the problem, they admitted he was deliberately trying to affect other rider pace, but did nothing because their rule book is incomplete. Race Direction is not ready to deal with such issues because no other rider in motorbike history have been such a 🤬 son.

This sport from now on need to put an end of all this dirty tactics penalizing who will do it again with a race ban.
If you don't do that everyone will seek for personal revenge everytime they got the chance which is NOT the way to go ecpecially for a safety matter.