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Copying and pasting this from /r/NASCAR, but apparently these are how the points would currently be with no chase

TRUCK:

There are four drivers remaining with a shot at the title at Homestead: Johnny Sauter, William Byron, Daniel Hemric and Timothy Peters. Christopher Bell was eliminated from championship contention at Phoenix.

Johnny Sauter has a nine-point lead over William Byron, meaning that Sauter would clinch the title by finishing fourth or better. If Sauter finishes 18th or better, Hemric is out; if he finishes 24th or better, Peters is out.

XFINITY:

Elliott Sadler clinched the Xfinity title at Phoenix.

CUP:

Three drivers would remain in contention: Kevin Harvick and the two Penske drivers. Kyle Busch, Denny Hamlin and Martin Truex Jr. were eliminated from championship contention at Phoenix.

Harvick would need to finish 20th or better to clinch the title at Homestead over Logano (25 points back); as long as Harvick finishes 33rd or better, Keselowski is out.

So it seems like the only series that's eliminated it's overall points leader before Homestead is Cup.
Especially since all the salt about Byron getting eliminated, because he'd still have lost the points lead because of that race using a traditional cumulative points system
 
Jahgee
Copying and pasting this from /r/NASCAR, but apparently these are how the points would currently be with no chase

TRUCK:

There are four drivers remaining with a shot at the title at Homestead: Johnny Sauter, William Byron, Daniel Hemric and Timothy Peters. Christopher Bell was eliminated from championship contention at Phoenix.

Johnny Sauter has a nine-point lead over William Byron, meaning that Sauter would clinch the title by finishing fourth or better. If Sauter finishes 18th or better, Hemric is out; if he finishes 24th or better, Peters is out.

XFINITY:

Elliott Sadler clinched the Xfinity title at Phoenix.

CUP:

Three drivers would remain in contention: Kevin Harvick and the two Penske drivers. Kyle Busch, Denny Hamlin and Martin Truex Jr. were eliminated from championship contention at Phoenix.

Harvick would need to finish 20th or better to clinch the title at Homestead over Logano (25 points back); as long as Harvick finishes 33rd or better, Keselowski is out.

So it seems like the only series that's eliminated it's overall points leader before Homestead is Cup.
Especially since all the salt about Byron getting eliminated, because he'd still have lost the points lead because of that race using a traditional cumulative points system
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How would it look under the 2011 system? Or has there been no calculations done under the 12 driver chase?
 
I only now watched the ending to that race. When that yellow flew right before Kenseth could cross the line for the white flag, I had a feeling he'd end up losing somehow. In the end, it was his own fault. Even if his spotter had cleared him, he should've stayed further up as a precaution. Kenseth didn't have to win that race.

At this juncture, let's see how my predictions held up to this point:
outlaw4rc
All right. I'll make predictions by driver.

1 (McMurray) - He has led zero laps this season. Kinda embarrassing when you drive the #1 car. Last season I recall him being relevant in terms of contention for wins was 2010. Luck may get him through the first round but that's the best he can do.
3 (Dillon) - Relatively consistent if you look at his results this season. In fact, wouldn't surprise me if he makes it through the first two rounds. After that, no chance because he'd need to earn his first career win to reach Homestead. Too much to ask.
24 (Elliott) - Chase can either surprise everyone and reach Homestead or fall out of Round 1. It all depends on avoiding an accident via his own mistake or getting caught up in someone else's mess.
34 (Buescher) - Enjoy the publicity for the next three races before bowing out. Regardless, just being in this position is a huge win.
41 (Kurt Busch) - Outside shot but I get the feeling he's going to cause or be sucked into trouble. He could get a win at one of the short tracks.
14 (Stewart) - Karma says no.
42 (Larson) - In 2014, Larsen had a stretch of races where he was a contender. That was in Chase races when he wasn't in the Chase. If Ganassi has the equipment to put Larsen in similar contention, watch out. If not, then I'd give him better odds than Dillon.
22 (Logano) - Not quite a contender as last season but you can't sleep on him. At least this time, Kenseth has a bigger beef with Brad. Best to leave him be.
48 (Johnson) - He is New England Patriots of NASCAR. You can never ever count him out until he's actually out. Personally, I find the Charlotte race to be the turning point for him. Seems that his hopes are dashed there whenever he does poorly.
20 (Kenseth) - Stay away from the Penske cars. Otherwise, he's got a shot because he drives for Gibbs. Probably next to worst shot because the system doesn't reward consistency.
78 (Truex Jr) - Should be in contention based on talent and equipment. Problem is that Truex is the most likely to have the worst luck in the Chase. He could be leading in Homestead when the engine blows and I wouldn't be the least surprised.
19 (Edwards) - Another Gibbs driver but the least likely to make it through. Strong early in the season but has been involved in incidents galore over the last few weeks. I think the lugnute rule change has hurt this team the most. Martinsville will doom his chances to reach Homestead.
4 (Harvick) - Races with long green flag runs are his best friend. His worst enemy is a late race stop at Homestead.
11 (Hamlin) - They've been strong lately but maybe a little bit too early? Regardless, I'd say they have the second to best shot within the Gibbs group.
2 (Keselowski) - Don't upset Kenseth any further. Otherwise, not seeing him at Homestead will be a surprise.
18 (Kyle Busch) - Best shot within the Gibbs group. The only detriment is not raising his level up enough like last year.

Round of 16 Eliminations: Buescher, McMurray, Stewart, Edwards
Round of 12 Eliminations: Larson, Dillon, Johnson, Kurt Busch
Round of 8 Eliminations: Elliott, Truex Jr, Kenseth, Logano
Final Four: Kyle Busch, Hamlin, Keselowski, Harvick
Winner: Kyle Busch
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From what I can see, I had Truex blowing an engine right but at the wrong track; was on point about Jimmie and Charlotte; and was right about Edwards and Martinsville only to have him win at Texas. That said, my final four only has one correct entry. :lol:

Now, as for with the actual final four:

Johnson - Surprised me when I found out he's never won at Homestead. In many years, he didn't need to but he will probably have to. I'd make him a slight favorite but not by much.
Kyle Busch - His win last season was his first at Homestead. Otherwise, his stats don't look that great. By talent alone, he could repeat.
Logano - A Ford driver winning the Ecoboost 400, hmmmm. Yes, definitely can see it happening and I might put him just ahead of Kyle because the confidence booster coming out of Phoenix.
Edwards - Statistically the best driver at Homestead and yet, I see him as the weakest of the group. More importantly, the fact that he's the only one of the four I would love to see win pretty much dooms him.

Basically, I'm all but guaranteed that I'll just be flipping the channel right after the checkered flag.
 
Can you imagine the meyhem if Tony and Carl finished 1-2 again and got to do burnouts together? Tony's 50th win and Edward's finally getting it done after being the bridesmaid twice... There's a hell of a storybook ending. But that requires Tony to be actually in the top 15 so bleh
 
Found this on Jayski...
NASCAR is considering a major experiment to see if it can improve the racing entertainment at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, where there has been precious few green-flag passes for the lead in recent years. The sanction is considering use of restrictor-plate engines in next year's second-tier Xfinity Series event at IMS, azcentral sports has learned. Plate engines, which restrict engine horsepower, are only mandated at the high-speed banked Daytona and Talladega superspeedways. If tried, and if deemed successful, plate engines could be used for the 2018 Brickyard 400 - still arguably Cup's second-most prestigious race after the Daytona 500.
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Vert4848
Would you rather them remove Indy entirely? Because that's the only other option that is really available.
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Fine by me. If people don't think the racing is good there, limiting power will make it worse. Pack racing is trash and a wreck fest.

Jahgee
I'd prefer it to Xfinity Indy currently, I'd prefer a lot of things to Xfinity Indy :lol:
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That's mute point, they should be at the old short track instead anyway.
 
Saw this one coming. 2015 they used the extreme high downforce package at Indy as an experiment compared to the low downforce package they were trying that became standard. They are trying to slow the cars so next step is a plate. Dumb but they are trying something and have been for a while. If they ditched Indy, it wouldn't bother me.

Edit just read it's for Xfinity.
 

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