2017 General WEC/ELMS/AsLMS Discussion ThreadSports Cars
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2017 rules have been released, and they suck. New possible entries into P1 get waivers, unlimited bodywork and testing, extra tires etc etc. http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/...eleased-pt-1-new-lmp1-factories-targeted.html
It gets worse
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/...-pt-2-tyres-testing-and-total-visibility.html
BOP failure in GTE is the tires faultand merry Xmas Porsche and Toyota, please prop up our series and improve the show by using less tires while your new competition gets as many as they want
It gets even worser!
http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/lmp1-privateer-trophy-set-for-hiatus/
Because the best way to save a dying sub-class is to remove whatever incentive there was to join.
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- TexasTyme214
I really like the idea of giving new manufacturers incentives to start a P1 program! Too bad I don't expect anyone to come in and take advantage of it.
Also I love how radical Audi's cars get year after year
Also I love how radical Audi's cars get year after year
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Now all they need are some "silvers" and they are ready to roll. http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...car-wec-effort-with-prost-beche-piquet-senna/
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@IforceV8, I don't know what info you're reading but there is no unlimited testing suggested. These rules about new lmp1's are only upgraded ones from the current rules. For instance Nissan was allowed to have more testing days and tunnel hours than the other 3 because they were a 'new' manufacturer.
The thing that's really new is the incentive to be allowed more than (the now reduced) 2 body kits for the season, more tires (longer pit stops) and the ability to run a different hybrid mj-class in the same season. How does that suck? I think all of the lmp1 teams should be able to do that.
The thing that's really new is the incentive to be allowed more than (the now reduced) 2 body kits for the season, more tires (longer pit stops) and the ability to run a different hybrid mj-class in the same season. How does that suck? I think all of the lmp1 teams should be able to do that.
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The waivers for the first year include the following:
– Specific allocation of fuel (energy per lap and/or maximum fuel flow) to reach 98% of the best in class ICE performance (The best in class ICE performance will be calculated based on the 24 Hours of Le Mans performance of the preceding year).
– One possible change of hybrid class during the first season.
– No limitation on the number of bodyworks.
– For the 6 hours races : maximum number of tyres increased to 24 for the qualifying and race.
– Limitation on wind tunnel hours increased to 150% of that imposed on the other manufacturers.
– No limitations on private testing
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/...eleased-pt-1-new-lmp1-factories-targeted.html The same article I quoted before.
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Yeah you're right on the testing part. But the rest of those are subject to change by the aco. If you read the article it says it's basically at the discretion of the rule makers. I was mistaken on the testing, but I don't think unlimited testing is a bad idea. Too bad it's private testing and not open to the public.
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Ginetta planning a return to LMP1 in 2018
http://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/ginetta-poised-for-lmp1-return-in-2018-861226/
http://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/ginetta-poised-for-lmp1-return-in-2018-861226/
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Neat. Hope they do well. Isn't SMP also entering LMP1 in 2018?
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The planned LMP1 project, which could be announced next month, is set to run in a new-look FIA World Endurance Championship Privateer Trophy, which is likely to include the ByKolles team and the new SMP Racing car which is being built by Dallara and BR Engineering.
That's from the article, so it seems like yes
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- Drayton Bassett, North Warwickshire
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- Clark Duffy
From dailysportscar:
'With the 2016 BR01 counted out as ineligible, SMP Racing looked set for a hiatus whilst work got underway on the 2018 LMP1 Privateer programme with ART and Dallara. Sources are currently suggesting though that this programme has hit trouble – details are awaited of the out-turn from that little lot.'
'With the 2016 BR01 counted out as ineligible, SMP Racing looked set for a hiatus whilst work got underway on the 2018 LMP1 Privateer programme with ART and Dallara. Sources are currently suggesting though that this programme has hit trouble – details are awaited of the out-turn from that little lot.'
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I mean...I hate to be that guy, but I just cant get excited about a cheaper version of the top tier category...
Especially now that the FIA is actually trying to make it relevant rather than the past few years of it being the sibling no one talks about, unless a joke is to be had.
Especially now that the FIA is actually trying to make it relevant rather than the past few years of it being the sibling no one talks about, unless a joke is to be had.
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Why spend the time and money developing a 3.8L DPi then turn around and spend another pile of money developing a Super GT 4 banger? Take the lessons from the GTR/Ligier marriage and build on a proven (separately) platform instead of starting from scratch with a new combo and a engine that has no track record in endurance racing.
On top of the technical hurdles why would Ed Brown spend his tequila money doing this so he can brand the cars a Paul Mitchell at Le Mans? Been there, done that, and he will spend his money at home with IMSA. I put this rumor in the "when hell freezes over" category.
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- BasedAckbar
Isn't that 2L turbo from Super GT a very proven engine though?
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- catamount39
In a GT500 chassis yes. But to package a turbo or any engine into a different car is a task. The DPi engine is proven as well, being from the GT3 car, but it's never been in an LMP2 chassis.
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The I4 engine is proven in a prototype like car. And it's a pure race engine not like the GT3 engine which is production based. The NRE engines weigh something like sub 90kg. That's probably a lot lighter than the gt3 version and would be perfect for lmp1 private teams who need to be around 830-850kg. So it's basically already developed. I remember Sam Collins saying that Nissan wants to put that engine to use for private lmp1's during the Nismo TV Super GT broadcasts.
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Proven in a sprint racing series with 1? 6hr race per year? Most races have 1-2 pit stops, do they even shut the car off during those? If I am spending the money (which is as likely as Ed Brown doing this btw) I would take the VR V6 1st, the Cosworth 3.0L V6 from the P1 2nd, and would look at a V8 from the Supercar program before rolling the dice on that I4.
As far as weight goes, Rebellion and CLM seemed to make do just fine with V6's, and in the past a V8.
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First off, GT500 uses only 3 engines per year. So the engine life is not in question, neither is reliability. They run close to 700hp without a hiccup. I'm not sure the teams are too satisfied with the AER engines in the current lmp1 privateer's cars. They seem to fail every other round, that's why Rebellion went back to an older version this past season. And since when did running in Super GT ever stop an engine from running competitively in Le Mans? Did you forget the RV8 Toyota engine in the Prius is of the same lineage as the old unit in the Rebellion? Or the TS030 and GT500 SC430?
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- catamount39
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The winning LMP1 cars this year in WEC ran 12,507 km of race distance, 1000km per WEC round, Le Mans was 4488km of that. That total does not include the practice sessions and the Le Mans test days. The entire Super GT season was only 3200km with only 1 race longer than 500km. I doubt those NRE engines were ever designed to last that long. You never answered my question if the SuperGT cars have to start under their own power after a pit stop. I assume they do but I never paid any attention one of the few times I have watched them race.
Rebellion should have kept the Toyota V8 and CLM is really only there to help with someones accounting so does it really matter they use?
I never said it did and I said the V8 and Rebellion in the same sentence so the answer is no I didnt forget.
The rumor of a ESM LMP1 is 100% BS. Ed Brown cant drive it, cant sponsor it, and wont pay for it if he cant do either one.
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Damn my badPssst...this should be in the IMSA thread.
Too many different threads around here, it's bloody comfusing 
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In red, with Kenwood sponsorshipNo biggie, would be neat if it was a GTE car in the WEC though.
. C'mon Honda, make it happen!!!Edit: thinking about it, right now all I want is a game with the NSX GT3 and a livery editor so I can make my own red and black NSX LM
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