2018 Azerbaijan Grand PrixFormula 1 

baldgye
False conjectures, is that a thing? Yeah it did, I’m sure I mentioned that, maybe I should have made that more clear? But the nature of the incident also contributed, he constantly caused dangerous situations at the start of races... that being the worst.
Roman showed promise but he constantly got in the way of other drivers, when I sit down I’ll have a look and pull up some examples.

Max is an exceptional driver who has driven poorly this season. But it’s not on the level Roman was at. In fact the only contemporary comparison I can think off is Lewis and Masa in 2011. They constantly managed to crash into each other as they both had horrible seasons. No one was calling for Masa or Lewis to have a race ban and Lewis at that point was a World Champion, so he had no excuse.

And yeah haha I watched live too, but he was allowed to make the moves? He shouldn’t have, but he was allowed... only thing that was the issue (from what I can remember of the race) was the crash where he moved just before the breaking after Dan had committed. But he just raced against his team mate hard in the other moves, not great for the team but good for us.

Like, I’m not defending Max because I think he’s the new Senna, I’m not a Max fan in much of anyway. He’s had a horrible season due entirely to himself. But the idea of him being given a race ban just seems silly. He’ll calm down and mature, or he won’t and get dropped.




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What a race tho! Man as a Lewis fan that was a bloody emotional race
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If Max is an exceptional driver he still has to show it, he knows what is at stake for his team and for himself, yet he still put moves on his teammate that would have caused a crash with anyone else because they would NOT have let him had his way. He actually played the team card in a disrespectful way..

So far he seems like a highly talented driver that does not give a **** about.. anything, if he was a GT-Sport driver no-one would give him the praise he used to get.. he would have been reported by so many he might have been banned..

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LMSCorvetteGT2
Prove this.



No one here is calling for a race ban (at least not me ) on Max. What I'm saying is your example to defend Max is bad, and not the way you've tried to explain it.



So risking damage or ending of races for people as you used as your stipulation for why Grosjean was worse and supposedly deserved his ban...now doesn't count. It'd be easier for you to say you're a Verstappen fan and then I'll just walk away having learned to know better for next time you defend him. Dan committed cause he expected to get room like he'd given all race again.



No where did I say you were, or ever thought this. I could make the same argument again that Grosjean didn't deserve it and probably would have learned to hone his awareness after that race anyways, after seeing how bad the wreck was.


If they plan to do it I just hope it's as good as this track has been, with the insanity it provides.
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It’s hard to chat like this when you break up posts, least I find it harder.

I originally compared the two, Roman got a race ban for dangerous driving (obstensively(?)) and Max is accused of dangerous driving. Which is why I bring it up (a race ban).

I guess I’ll need to do a full breakdown of every incident Roman had prior to his ban. Which I guess is what your after?


I don’t think it’s that helpful to add things that happened an hour or so ago, as with most things it’s usually better let them sit for a few days before forming much of an opinion. But I don’t disagree (I think I said as much)? Max moved under breaking and moved twice which isn’t allowed (but is something the FIA have failed to do anything about)... but other than that his driving was mostly fine, just overly aggressive... but my initial reaction is that it’s the teams fault. Riccy was faster all race and Max made it clear without instruction he wouldn’t let him pass...

kjeldsen
If Max is an exceptional driver he still has to show it, he knows what is at stake for his team and for himself, yet he still put moves on his teammate that would have caused a crash with anyone else because they would NOT have let him had his way. He actually played the team card in a disrespectful way..

So far he seems like a highly talented driver that does not give a **** about.. anything, if he was a GT-Sport driver no-one would give him the praise he used to get.. he would have been reported by so many he might have been banned..

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He’s not shown that he’s exceptional? If you don’t think he’s exceptional then I guess nothing I say will convince you.

The point is, is that he isn’t a GT-Sport driver.
 
Dennisch
The Dutch pit reporter mentioned that a lot of the stuff they use for the track has been sold to Miami.
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BrainsBush
Source is Dutch so not so trustworthy like our Maxie ;)

https://www.gpfans.com/nl/artikelen...an-de-kalender-en-wordt-vervangen-door-miami/
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LMSCorvetteGT2
First of the Wiki page is always being updated before the season actually starts. Also it says that they have yet to extend their contract, thus until they do, for not it's the last race in Baku. Also saw the Dutch reporting too.
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Cheers guys, hopefully it doesn't go. There are so many tracks worst than Baku on the calendar
 
baldgye
It’s hard to chat like this when you break up posts, least I find it harder.

I originally compared the two, Roman got a race ban for dangerous driving (obstensively(?)) and Max is accused of dangerous driving. Which is why I bring it up (a race ban).

I guess I’ll need to do a full breakdown of every incident Roman had prior to his ban. Which I guess is what your after?


I don’t think it’s that helpful to add things that happened an hour or so ago, as with most things it’s usually better let them sit for a few days before forming much of an opinion. But I don’t disagree (I think I said as much)? Max moved under breaking and moved twice which isn’t allowed (but is something the FIA have failed to do anything about)... but other than that his driving was mostly fine, just overly aggressive... but my initial reaction is that it’s the teams fault. Riccy was faster all race and Max made it clear without instruction he wouldn’t let him pass...


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You're posts as many others aren't one solid thought block, so breaking them up to argue various points with in is simple.

Again I've asked you to prove this you have yet to do so. I don't think either driver deserves bans, and I think bans should only be reserved for drivers who are actually trying to take out others.

Again this is racing major things will happen especially when drivers as competitive as these are on the same bit of road. My issue with your statements is that you use Grosjean as a line to what drivers shouldn't do. That too me is highly questionable, when there have been drivers that have been far worse in those time frames make absent minded mistakes and not getting suchh treatment.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
You're posts as many others aren't one solid thought block, so breaking them up to argue various points with in is simple.

Again I've asked you to prove this you have yet to do so. I don't think either driver deserves bans, and I think bans should only be reserved for drivers who are actually trying to take out others.

Again this is racing major things will happen especially when drivers as competitive as these are on the same bit of road. My issue with your statements is that you use Grosjean as a line to what drivers shouldn't do. That too me is highly questionable, when there have been drivers that have been far worse in those time frames make absent minded mistakes and not getting suchh treatment.
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I mean, I write my posts as one solid thing, they are usually connected, for example me pointing out I wasn't a fan was to add some context to the my posts...
You've asked me to prove the impossible. But I'll have a go (example three is probably the best summary however it is a race summary)

Example one
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Example three

He did have accidents pretty consistantly though they where through 2011-2012 to quote wikipedia (from example three);
It was his sevevnth collision on the first lap of a race in 2012, and his eighth within the first two laps.
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Also, the accident at Spa wasn't simply because he took out Championship contenders;
The stewards regard this incident as an extremely serious breach of the regulations, which had the potential to cause injury to others. It eliminated leading championship contenders from the race. The stewards note [that] the team conceded the action was an extremely serious mistake and an error of judgement. Neither the team nor the driver made any submission in mitigation of penalty."
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I don't use Romain as the hard line, I used him as an example.
So many people from all over have been calling for him to have a race ban. So I compared him to someone who was actually banned for dangerous driving... Seemed like a fair enough comparison to me... also seems silly that with all this information readily avaliable, why I'm suddenly required to display all this evidence.... the races have happened, the punishedments handed out, you can interpret them how you like but it seems silly, in this case to juse demand I prove racing incidents happened...

I am not absolving Max of all his sins, he's made mistakes and errors, it would be stupid to say otherwise.
 
baldgye
I mean, I write my posts as one solid thing, they are usually connected, for example me pointing out I wasn't a fan was to add some context to the my posts...
You've asked me to prove the impossible. But I'll have a go (example three is probably the best summary however it is a race summary)
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It's not impossible. So in other words you haven't a clue


Example one
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Example three
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Abu happened after his ban, not sure why you've used it to prove your earlier point of how he was dangerous and then the ban given calmed him down. And even so that wasn't his fault, Perez was later reprimanded for that. In Monaco, which I was waiting for you to bring up it was chalked up to a racing incident for all involved. Alonso was squeezed into Romain, who then was tagged by a squeezed Schumacher.

Japan was the only incident out of those three but since I provided you an actual stats sheet that shows his tally of penalties, that should prove my point. The only thing it doesn't show is the race ban due to as the owner puts it "a rare case that had not been seen in 17 seasons of F1"

He did have accidents pretty consistantly though they where through 2011-2012 to quote wikipedia (from example three);


Also, the accident at Spa wasn't simply because he took out Championship contenders;
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The guy didn't race in f1 in 2011, thought that'd be pretty obvious when I said it was his first official f1 season where the 2012 incident occurred.

Quite aware, but that is one of the first bans in some time if ever that brought up effects on championship outcomes. Also I can provide stats that show Romain wasn't as dangerous as you claim and most of his incidents were chalked up to racing incidents.

https://www.racefans.net/statistics/2012-f1-statistics/retirements-penalties/

I don't use Romain as the hard line, I used him as an example.
So many people from all over have been calling for him to have a race ban. So I compared him to someone who was actually banned for dangerous driving... Seemed like a fair enough comparison to me... also seems silly that with all this information readily avaliable, why I'm suddenly required to display all this evidence.... the races have happened, the punishedments handed out, you can interpret them how you like but it seems silly, in this case to juse demand I prove racing incidents happened...
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I gave you a reason why this ban was strange considering that Luizzi pulled a similar move, had similar results and only got a five place grid penalty. As has been said for years, the stewards decisions aren't equal, consistent and so on. And thus trying to compare what you are is a moot attempt because what may be seen in one year as ban worthy in other years would have been a racing incident or five place penalty or something else.

You're required to provide evidence because you keep making a claim that supposedly this ban was done due to several events by Romain that led up to this one and needed to be reigned in. Nothing from you shows this.

I am not absolving Max of all his sins, he's made mistakes and errors, it would be stupid to say otherwise.
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Then why the need to defend him so strongly here? Actually don't answer that, I'm guessing you did it cause you were tired of seeing people join some collective against him. However, he keeps digging a hole. Hopefully this incident today will prove the necessary justification to move on and perhaps have more thought before fighting so hard. Anyways time to move on as both RBR drivers seemed to have.
 
baldgye
I don't understand why you have to be so rude and confrontational...
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Based on me saying you haven't got a clue, I'm rude? Okay then. Also forums invite debates, that's what we had, it's not confrontational.
BrainsBush
Final decision by FIA and RedBull team management: both Daniel and Max as guilty for 50% and now they already have their focus on Barcelona.
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That's good, we'll see how the rest of the season plays out between them.
 
No penalty for Perez so he keeps his podium place.

And again we talk a lot about Max and Daniel. Hulk, Grosjean, Raikonen and Vettel can sneak away very easy ;)

Added Hulk :)
 
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BrainsBush
No penalty for Perez so he keeps his podium place.

And again we talk a lot about Max and Daniel. Grosjean, Raikonen and Vettel can sneak away very easy ;)
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Has anyone heard on Stroll that's the only one I haven't found yet?

Famine
Anyway, Fernando Alonso managed to finish 7th, despite having floor damage and - and I emphasise this - no right-hand tyres on his car for most of the first lap.
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As Tired put it, helps when cars that were actually faster than you keep retiring. Kimi finished second after his first lap incident costing him the need to change tires and a front wing as well.
 
As is see it, in the brakingzone Verstappen clearly choose the inside line.... Ricciardo tried to lure verstappen to the outside, to try to pass him in the inside, but in hindsight should have stayed on the outside. On the other hand Verstappen should have defended the inside line earlier before the brakingzone. He stayed in the middle too long.
 
Tired Tyres
Because cars in front if him kept retiring?
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LMSCorvetteGT2
As Tired put it, helps when cars that were actually faster than you keep retiring. Kimi finished second after his first lap incident costing him the need to change tires and a front wing as well.
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Which is fine, but he had no right tyres.

We've all seen F1 cars limping back to the pits with one tyre (and wheel) missing, but I'm not sure I've ever seen it done with two - much less two on the same side.
 
great race!!

dont give a crap who did what....

If this is how the rest of this years races will play out....yeah man!!!!!

this is f1,let them fight it out on track!! isn't that what we are all hoping for?...

great race! gimmy some more!



Spy.
 
baldgye
He’s not shown that he’s exceptional? If you don’t think he’s exceptional then I guess nothing I say will convince you.

The point is, is that he isn’t a GT-Sport driver.
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I would say that he had lots of potential and everything that could make him exceptional, but this season he has only been crashtastic. His arrogance translates directly into his driving in stupid way. This should be the season where a mature (lol) 20 year old kid should reap the rewards for all the hard learned lessons.
 
Then I saw what happened with the Red Bulls I thought consider Max previous incident that this would lead to a race ban but oh no a slap on the wrist as usual
 
Anyway. I still wonder if they will let Vercrashppen keep this attitude. On Shangai he admitted was his own fault as was too aggressive against Vettel. You might think that a (REAL) driver at this point turns on the brain and start be smarter and more cautious. Instead him not. He CONTINOUSLY kept close his own teammate... HIS OWN TEAMMATE, even in dangerous ways, even if it was obvious Daniel was faster... And at the end they crashed. And if I have to choose to give the fault to one or another, it is to him.
Do they want to wait untill he injure someone? Or even get a kill?
 
Why do no TV pundits ever speak negative about Max?It is so obvious he is totally in the wrong on so occasions today and yet nobody says anything.Its like there all scared!
 
Well done Baku. Best race of the year.

Gotta feel bad for Vettel, he literally didn't put a foot wrong all race up to the safety car. Almost Schumacher-esque consistency and race management, but he got too greedy when it mattered most and isn't even in the lead in the championship anymore. Hamilton definitely lucked into this win today, which I don't usually like to say about a race winner.

The stewards have been very liberal to Max in the past, and they did it again today. I think they might have seen Max move right but not fully commit to the right, which left Ricciardo a gap that wasn't clear cut, unless Max actually yielded, which we all know he never does. An accident could have been avoided if Max followed the age old rules about moves you're allowed. Either way, Ricciardo was very ambitious, and Max was his usual self.

As someone already said today, he bullied Ricciardo all race, taking advantage of the fact that Ricciardo actually was playing the team game today, trying very hard to avoid collision. The move right before the overtake before his pitstop, Danny left him a lot of room, almost off the track, and still got hit. I know you don't become a champion without a bit of hard racing, but there's hard racing, and then there's reckless, and Max showed us more than once today what category he leans towards. Sadly he won't learn if the stewards, Horner and Marko, and the fans never hold him fully accountable.
 
Famine
Which is fine, but he had no right tyres.

We've all seen F1 cars limping back to the pits with one tyre (and wheel) missing, but I'm not sure I've ever seen it done with two - much less two on the same side.
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That had actually escaped my attention somewhat until I saw Alonso tweet this picture after the race:

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Valtteri Bottas pulled over with his puncture, as innumerable other drivers have done so at one time or another.

Fair play to Fernando Alonso for keeping himself in the race.
 

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