2018 Virgin Australia Supercars ChampionshipTouring Cars
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CodeRedR51
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That sheep. 
https://www.speedcafe.com/2018/01/17/ex-nascar-guru-joins-nissan-technical-director/
Hope we see a quick turn around.
https://www.speedcafe.com/2018/01/17/ex-nascar-guru-joins-nissan-technical-director/
Hope we see a quick turn around.
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Not a fan of 888 but their promo work is always great.
A lot of white for a Red Bull car it seems.
A lot of white for a Red Bull car it seems.
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See, I'm a Lowndes fan & I reckon the crap with the wigs makes them look like dickheads.
There 'scriptwriter'/'director' ain't gunna trouble Hollywood either.
It just looks incredibly amateur from a professional organisation.
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Yeah look, I get it & to be perfectly honest, I think it's coming from a Red Bull marketing angle.
You only have to look at some of the things they've had Dan Ricciardo & Verstappen doing to see that.
I just don't imagine anyone involved from RD down is genuinely enthusaistic to take part.
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Top tip: Don't ask V8 Supercar drivers to act.
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DJRTP is on the lookout for another manufacturer next season.
Seems like the captain isn't too happy with the lack of progress with the Mustang.
Seems like the captain isn't too happy with the lack of progress with the Mustang.
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Good! If Nissan want to switch teams, or Chrysler, Audi, Lexus, AMG, BMW, Jaguar, Infiniti, Hyundai- I'd imagine Kia raised eyebrows during last year's performance, want to join, I'm all for a change.
Sorry to read that, but I had my XR8 as well and switched to several brands since then. Good to know brands approached him. The series needs this. BTCC/TCR/GT4/GT3, they all have their fill of brands. Andretti knew a change was in order, out of necessity.I'm not happy either. It's bad enough that I drive an HSV now, so if Ford goes, I go.
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They haven't learnt from the lessons of history.
They pulled factory involvement at the end of 1973, hit Allan Moffat with a huge reduction for 1978, had no interest whatsoever in racing the XD in 1980 and, it goes on and on over the years, to the dumbest ass decision of dumping T8 for being too red at the end of 2009.
What's different these days? They don't make cars here anymore.
Some would think they ain't interested in selling them either!
They can't leverage a damn thing if a Falcon wins but, a Mustang? I can see hero ads all over the place.
Let's see what they do if a Ranger starts winning in the new twin-cab, diesel ute class.
They pulled factory involvement at the end of 1973, hit Allan Moffat with a huge reduction for 1978, had no interest whatsoever in racing the XD in 1980 and, it goes on and on over the years, to the dumbest ass decision of dumping T8 for being too red at the end of 2009.
What's different these days? They don't make cars here anymore.
Some would think they ain't interested in selling them either!
They can't leverage a damn thing if a Falcon wins but, a Mustang? I can see hero ads all over the place.
Let's see what they do if a Ranger starts winning in the new twin-cab, diesel ute class.
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Ford are so stupid, it beggars belief.
Ford >
Me, Roger Penske, DJRTP, Ford fans,.................>
Ford can't be that stupid. While I originally complained about them last year, it seems they're not as foolish or tight with money as I thought. They proved me wrong with WRC and have seemingly put in more money other places too and show interest after the GTE program is done. So to me this is more of an issue with yet again VASC than it is Ford or any one manufacture
It was easy for me to say Ford was the problem prior and what not, but I was wrong I think to say that. There isn't a reason for Ford to come back to such a regional series and make a factory effort out of it where the series is expensive. No one else seems to interested in playing the game and those involved with manufacture efforts are few and far between. It was great for DJTRP to win the manufacture championship against factory efforts, but we're talking about a Motorsport Titan playing a game of ball with those not on his level.
I would say though that the least ford could have done is give some help on a replacement for the Falcon. As for the locals, I get it you guys don't want to be told a series or continuation of what you grew up with is struggling to stay alive, but it is and that's the reality of it all. You could have all the American giants of Motorsports come over and have fun with it but you have to wonder if the extra sponsors and potential to set up shop are the reason because the more important factor is still not coming around. Roger is probably always going to have a someone wanting to join and become successful due to his leadership and know how, but what about the rest of the field and what happens when Roger leaves?
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From what I've seen and heard from some fans, it's the rules. I'd say Production Car racing is the equivalent of Group Aand that's growing massively, even with owners spending big dollars in development. GT4 would be akin to Group C. Super Touring(wasn't received well here) would be TCR. The series would have been the same without Penske. Some of best racing, before Penske, was with the change to COTF.
COTF rules were too inconsistent. DOHC engines, drive by wire, etc, but Ford and Holden didn't want to change. Had they led by example, I believe it would have been easier for manufacturers to want to come in(regardless of budget). The restriction on the amount of manufacturers was dumb. Why set a maximum of 5 or 6? Clearly that shuts most out. Making an excuse because it would be tough to manage, requires a smart team to manage it.
Manufacturers saying, "it's not for us", means the series isn't open to listen, let alone willing to change. Now the series is here. People that can see the racing say it's a tough series. Close racing. Management try to court manufacturers by waving multiple doors and engines. That's desperation from the show promoters.
Ford being so off and on in Australian racing, is a mystery. To have multiple Touring car & loyal (V8)Supercars teams, win championships with the blue oval/Ford body and Ford to throw those relationships in the bin, is the thing that bites. Again, from what I've seen/see.
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Daily Telegraph posted another sneak peek of the new 888 livery showing more of the rest of the car, looks great so far, reminds me of the WRC VWs.
Can’t post a photo though because I can’t get back to the page since I cbf paying Daily Telegraph to look it again.
Can’t post a photo though because I can’t get back to the page since I cbf paying Daily Telegraph to look it again.
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I haven’t liked a single Red Bull Racing Australia livery so far but that looks fantastic so far.
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Racing being good isn't a factor in a massive manufacture joining the series to win races potentially championships and use it as a means to sell a brand through Motorsports achievement. While the change is good, for the fans how does it actually represent manufactures? That's the question that should be asked.
Technically one of them is leading when another certain group could of. It's confusing to me that Nissan wouldn't shift over to a formula they're more use to winning with, and would instead opt to stick with V8s, while Holden actually does the V6 tt thing. Also remember yet again VASC was the issue on this, the rules barely came into effect to use such engines, and so Holden moved as fast as they could on it. I suspect had Holden not switched to RBRA, they wouldn't have had the means to develop the engine in a way they feel it would be competitive for Supercars, even if it's a proven formula from PWC. If the rules for the COTF actually synced together or even staggered a year, rather than come in 5 years after the initial understanding in 2012, and didn't try to pander to old men with V8 nostalgia, perhaps more groups would have got on board and still be here.
Perhaps it's the series isn't open to listen, perhaps it's the fact that VASC refuses to be anything but international other than in name, perhaps it's because the mainstay teams have to much power to make a new manufacture feel it's not worth the effort. Or it's a bit of everything. Fans at some point (those who have a direct influence) have to decide at some point, to either try and see VASC survive another 20 years through modern changes other series are going through.
As for Ford, it's business, great job to teams like PRA(Tickford Racing) and DJTPR but why should Ford come back to a regional series in a region they lost heavy in. The money losses for them didn't help and even if there is a great loyalty it wasn't all that reflective. Due to that, I can see why another manufacture would say "why am I going to join this group, race, win, and then not see a sales take over or domination in the region for our brand?"
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Probably because their future after this season is up in the air and they didn't want to switch engines for a single season if they quit.
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It wouldn't have been a single season if they had prepared the engine before hand which many thought they might have been preparing for. Though two seasons dont make it any better too so I see your point.
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We just have to wait and see what their plan is. I don't have a lot of hope that they will stay considering how they're not doing much this year outside of SuperGT and/or Blancpain, and especially if this season starts out bad.
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Yeah, I just thinking of that. They've really made some strange decisions over the years. That's got to be one of their biggest blunders though.
Definitely get that vibe from it too. Reserve my judgement until they reveal the entire thing but definitely does look better than their previous efforts so far.
Interesting that the article refers to it (although maybe not terribly surprising) as the "last Commodore".
