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Isn’t that exactly the issue with this punishment? By this notion Red Bull won’t feel anything until 2024 for something they did in 2021.
If Red Bull win either championship next year then F1s credibility will take another hit
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If Red Bull win either championship next year then F1s credibility will take another hit
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Not really, 100m is going to have a bit more impact than 7m. Red Bull is a huge company, 7m can be sucked up quite easily and doesn't come under cost cap jurisdiction. The aero research penalty will have an impact next season and potentially 2024.
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That's difficult to say without knowing how other teams did things. If another team spent more on catering or whatever, that means they have that much less to spend on other things like car improvements if they stick within the cap. I can't imagine Red Bull was the only one that had costs related to the breach points.
That said, they can chalk this up to being a learning year but I would think offenders in the second year or repeat offenders will be treated more harshly. But the FIA likes giving us surprises.
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I think for punishment all Red Bull radios should be broadcasting Spice Girls and Geri Horner music at any time they aren't being used for actual talking. Even the drivers have to listen to it.
Make the punishments hurt. Just as silly as the cost cap breaches, but ridiculously painful.
Williams have to adopt mazepin as race strategist and AM are forced to keep Lance on as #2 driver for their punishments.
Make the punishments hurt. Just as silly as the cost cap breaches, but ridiculously painful.
Williams have to adopt mazepin as race strategist and AM are forced to keep Lance on as #2 driver for their punishments.
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According to the documents, Red Bull "inaccurately excluded and/or adjusted costs amounting to a total of £5,607,000" in the submission it made in March last year and that in the final analysis, it overspent by £1,864,000.
£5.6 million that was incorrectly (whether dishonestly or not) accounted is a vast amount. Forget the overspend, these figures are ridiculous!
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£5.6 million that was incorrectly (whether dishonestly or not) accounted is a vast amount. Forget the overspend, these figures are ridiculous!
Red Bull F1 cost cap penalty: The 13 errors listed by the FIA
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Red Bull is the most toxic team in F1 and this is further proof. The fact they're whining about a slap on the wrist is telling.
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Is Incompetence or Ignorance a preferred excuse? they didn't mean to do it?According to the documents, Red Bull "inaccurately excluded and/or adjusted costs amounting to a total of £5,607,000" in the submission it made in March last year and that in the final analysis, it overspent by £1,864,000.
£5.6 million that was incorrectly (whether dishonestly or not) accounted is a vast amount. Forget the overspend, these figures are ridiculous!
Red Bull F1 cost cap penalty: The 13 errors listed by the FIA
Maybe they were trying to be Ingenious and clever but at best that would make the reports and judgement thereof Insincere.
It's embarrassing that one of 'the best' teams in 'the best' motorsport can bungle their accounting so badly.
The "10%" aero research penalty is just lip service for commentators to talk about and to make people think there has been some action...
How is the wind tunnel time and CFD regulated? with reports from the team? can anyone believe they are competent, capable or trustable?
I think end of the week some employees at redbull will just be logging something like 18.8 hours to F1 development project instead of 21 hours based on the FIA's made up 30hours.... there will probably be a dozen or two 'calibration' runs of the wind tunnel every week that "generates no performance aiding data" ... this might seems like conspiracy nonsense, but it just seems logical to me...
I don't think the aero penalty will have any affect on their performace - except potentially a few more sessions in pre-season and free-practice where they will do a bit more sandbagging.
The FIA snoop.
Plus on top of that you have to imagine other teams are keeping a very close eye on their rivals, as soon as they suspect someone has been doing more than they should they'll be calling the FIA and getting them to look into it.
That's not to say nobody can/will find a way to cheat it, this is F1 after all and cheating will always exist, but they seem to do a pretty decent job being Big Brother.
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Yeh,
I have zero faith FIA is competent enough to monitor this properly - I'm not sure if the teams are 'cheating' in these areas or if it is just a loophole they put around their gas flow analysis machines and their secondary non-CFD computer setups.
I don't think any of the top 4 or 5 will be calling anyone else because they are all taking advantage of loopholes.
Mercedes and Ferrari probably want to complain that it's a wrist slap and meaningless penalty but they can't call them out as they already take advantage of 'loopholes' that they will not want closed up... If Ferrari and Mercedes helped tighten up rules so this penalty actually hurt RedBull then it will actually hurt them too... so much they can't even be heavy on criticism of the penalty?
Meanwhile Horner will bleat on that it is going to cost them 0.25-0.5 sec per lap and makes it seam like it is a real penalty -> so it looks good for the FIA -> rub FIA's back -> rubs RBRs back -> wow what a 'real' sporting penalty with no difference to any outcomes.
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Karen Horner desperate to find any way to be a victim in the overspending saga. First threatening legal action against anyone accusing them of cheating and overspending (which they did, call it cheating if you want), then moaning that $7m is a lot of money (which doesn't come out of his budget), to a 10% reduction in wind tunnel time costing 0.5s a lap (if that's the case, then Williams will be 3 seconds a lap faster than Red Bull next year) being 'Draconian'.
His next tactic is that he found it "hugely worrying" that the news was leaked and led to a "very public pounding".
Diddums.
His next tactic is that he found it "hugely worrying" that the news was leaked and led to a "very public pounding".
Diddums.
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It seems like they’ve moved on to the “everyone is doing it” phase:Karen Horner desperate to find any way to be a victim in the overspending saga. First threatening legal action against anyone accusing them of cheating and overspending (which they did, call it cheating if you want), then moaning that $7m is a lot of money (which doesn't come out of his budget), to a 10% reduction in wind tunnel time costing 0.5s a lap (if that's the case, then Williams will be 3 seconds a lap faster than Red Bull next year) being 'Draconian'.
His next tactic is that he found it "hugely worrying" that the news was leaked and led to a "very public pounding".
Diddums.
To save everyone time reading the word salad article, basically all he’s saying is he “thinks” 6 teams are over the cap in 2022 based on inflation. I’d be very interested to know how he knows 6 teams are over the cap, especially given what Horner is crying about. Seems like he’s getting in front of the inevitable 2023 breach.
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Sounds like he's not ruling RB out from another breach also.
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Reports are starting to come out that Binotto is done. Not really surprising news.
What is surprising is his replacement may be Fred Vasseur
What is surprising is his replacement may be Fred Vasseur
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Just fire everyone there lol
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Problem for Binotto is he has spent too long saying they don't need to change personnel, going down the 'stability is good'route instead of making the changes that need to happen. That's why he'll be at risk, because Ferrari know it won't change enough, or quickly enough, under his tenure.
Vasseur would be an interesting choice, clam and collected but also ruthless when needed. Personally I'd quite like to see Guenther Steiner take the reigns, he's Italian, has passion for days, but won't take any crap and will make the changes needed. The only blocker would be whether he's a bit too outspoken for Ferrari.
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I wouldn't give that Ferrari statement any weight. If they are looking for a replacement, I wouldn't expect them to post anything different than what they had posted.
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Elon Musk, next Ferrari team manager.
