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Red Bull, Aston Martin agree F1 cost cap breach deals with FIA
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Red Bull, Aston Martin agree F1 cost cap breach deals with FIA
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FIA - no fraud, no loss, nothing to see here
"There is no accusation or evidence that RBR has sought at any time to act in bad faith, dishonestly or in a fraudulent manner, nor has it wilfully concealed any information from the Cost Cap Administration"
RBR need better/more creative accountants and payroll department
Full FIA report on Red Bull F1 cost cap breach and penalty
Red Bull has been given a $7 million fine and a reduction on aerodynamic testing in its agreement on its penalty over its Formula 1 cost cap breach in 2021.
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They're not going to care about the fine but 10% reduction interesting.
You can't unlearn what you've already learnt though, and RB already have these regs down. Can't see that changing with the reduction, even on top of the reduction they already get as WCC.
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Aston Martin fined $450k for F1 cost cap procedural breach
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Aston to be buying flatpack furniture from now on.
"10. Cost pursuant to Article 3.1(i) of the Financial Regulations (concerning cost of desks and chairs)"
Not sure how a fancy chair affects how fast your F1 car goes.
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How F1's new sliding scale aero testing rules work – and what impact they will have on racing | Formula 1®
History will be made next season, when Formula 1 introduces a radical new sliding scale for aerodynamic testing based on a team’s success on track.
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Correct, they'll have quite a bit less time than those around them. While they may have nailed the rules, it does give other teams who see quite close to them now, a good opportunity to eliminate the gap.
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Just out of curiosity, unless it is accounted differently in the team ledger, when they pay that $7mil fine, wouldn't that affect this year's (2022) cost cap? 🤔
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No, fines are specifically mentioned ad outside the cost cap.
Also, I know it's been mentioned somewhere, but for those saying this punishment is lenient or doesn't go far enough, kist remember this.
Now, yes, a breach is a breach, bit considering people were assuming a £4m+ breach and how much they could have gained in performance, this is definitely not to that level. Could they have gained performance from £400k, maybe, is that what happened? No.
The 13 ways Red Bull got its cost cap calculation wrong - The Race
The FIA found Red Bull’s Formula 1 cost cap submission incorrectly calculated costs in 13 different areas. Edd Straw explains them
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That article covers what the exact breach points are. I don't see anything that could enhance car performance.
Effectively, a 7m fine for 400k overspend and they'll be sacking their accountant.
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Nah, there's no way the FIA can overturn past results...
Anyone remember what happened to McLaren when it gained no advantage from a Ferrari engineer passing confidential data to a McLaren engineer?
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The illegal theft of documents which were brazenly copied in a shop and potentially directly led to technical directives based on knowledge no one should have had? What of it? That's not even in the same ballpark as a minor overspend and procedural error in the first year of a complex set of financial regulations.
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You see, this is the bit that puzzles me about it all.
1, if you were a McLaren engineer, wouldn't you have the money (or the ability to claim on expenses) to buy a medium/large photocopier yourself for the amount it would cost to get it done in a shop?
2, If you were looking at technical diagrams which were being copied, how the hell could you know what was being copied? I could look at a diagram for an air inlet butterfly plenum and think it was a toaster, and I'd like to think I'm reasonably technically minded.
3, How the hell do you just phone up Ferrari F1 technical headquarters? Have they got the direct line on Scuderia Ferrari's website, or maybe the local Italian restaurant's owner would know?
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I dunno, considering it was quite late 2007 when it was handed down and 2007 development would have been comfortably underway with eyes on the regulation changes in 2009 as well, their 2009 car certainly suffered in some way. Whether it could be attributed to how much the fine was is difficult to say but the timeline would be right for that impact.
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Ferrari were equally abysmal in 2009 with no such fine, and then they were both frontrunners again in 2010.
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