500PP Asian Non-Racing Car Super Lap: Mid-Field Raceway

[Skaankypuppy]

Try using maximum ballast 150-200kg and don't use weight reduction.

You want to be around the 250bhp/800kg area.

Plus, stick a wing on it.

I see there's 2 Brazilians in the top10 again

Edit: I just checked now and mine's got a bit of mileage on, running 250bhp @ 794kg with a stage 1 weight reduction and 186kg ballast.

One thing I did notice was my PP level was going down whilst I was running.
Maybe it was just on the cusp of dropping power due to the mileage but as it's only at around 400km I'm pretty sure something weird is going on.

I was noticing the same mate. Seemingly not doing loads of miles and noticing I was losing on my ghost down the straights every now and again, checked in settings and I would be running 496PP or something. It definitely loses power quicker than usual.

I love this track though, it's quite flowing and smooth, which I like.

I agree with the weight and wing, I'm pretty sure mine is running 186kg too.

 

[Woodski_427]

If you want to try for a Gold with something different than the Suzuki, give it a try it with the Toyota MR-S, Oullim Prototype, Hyundai Clix and the Toyota RSC. I manage Gold with all of them... Granted they weren't great times, but I didn't spend hardly any time setting them up, so I'm sure they can all go a good amount faster.

I did a quick three laps with @Ridox2JZGTE Spirra detuned, but was 1.2 secs away from gold. I found it a little understeery on the Comfort tyres, but great fun nonetheless.

I'd forgotten about the Clix - it was a favourite in GT5, but don't think I have one in GT6. Thanks for the reminder 👍.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I did a quick three laps with @Ridox2JZGTE Spirra detuned, but was 1.2 secs away from gold. I found it a little understeery on the Comfort tyres, but great fun nonetheless.

I'd forgotten about the Clix - it was a favourite in GT5, but don't think I have one in GT6. Thanks for the reminder 👍.

The spirra was 500PP It needs fine tuning on final drive to suit midfield.

OULLIM MOTORS Spirra Prototype '04 500PP

Special Build Spirra Proto at 500PP
Comfort Soft to Sports Soft​

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CAR : Oullim Motors Spirra Prototype '04
Tire : Comfort Soft to Sports Soft

Specs
Horsepower: 359 HP at 6500 RPM
Torque : 350.1 ft-lb at 4200 RPM
Power Limiter at : 97.9%
Weight: 1205 kg
Ballast : 0 kg
Ballast Position : 0
Weight Distribution : 44 / 56
Performance Points: 500


GT AUTO
Oil change
Improve Body Rigidity ( NOT INSTALLED IN THIS BUILD ) - OPTIONAL-only install for racing tire fitment.
Custom Rear Wing :
Wing Mount Standard Type D
Wing Large Type E
Winglets Large Type C
Height -7 and Width +16
Wheels : +2 Inch Up OZ Racing SuperFogiata in Black or GT6 Matte 006
Car Paint : GT6 Matte 006 or White or any color you like.


Tuning Parts Installed :
Semi Racing Exhaust
Isometric Exhaust Manifold
Twin Plate Clutch
Fully Customizable Dog Clutch Transmission
Adjustable LSD
Fully Customizable Suspension
Racing Brakes Kit



Suspension - Custom Coilover Damper Kit
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 110 110
Spring Rate: 12.00 9.00
Dampers (Compression): 7 2
Dampers (Extension): 8 6
Anti-Roll Bars: 5 5
Camber Angle: 0.2 0.2 ( use zero camber all around for max grip )
Toe Angle: -0.08 0.08

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LSD - 2 Way LSD High Preload Low Locking Rate
Initial Torque : 30
Acceleration Sensitivity: 20
Braking Sensitivity: 30


DOG CLUTCH TRANSMISSION - Custom Close Ratio
Install all power parts
Set Default
Set Final to 3.900
Set Auto Max Speed at 220kmh / 137mph
Adjust each gear :
1st 2.972
2nd 2.235
3rd 1.764
4th 1.474
5th 1.238
6th 1.037
Set Final : 2.889 ( top speed at 280kmh, lower final for higher top speed )


AERO:
REAR : 20 ( MAX )


Brake Balance:
4/3 ( personal BB) or for ABS 0 wheel : 4/3, for ABS 1 - feel free to use your preferred brake balance.
I recommend to run 5/4 for ABS1.

Recommended setting for DS3 user :

Steering sensitivity at +1 or +2, all aids off, except ABS 1 ( if not comfortable with ABS 0 ) with 4/3 brake balance as starting point.

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Notes :
I used to have this car in GT5, never really drive on the limit, just cruising around online.

Then I read that this car is nasty for it's oversteer , so I tuned it for racing or just driving as quick as possible around tracks ( track days )

I set at 500PP for this build, maintaining stock weight, and tuning using my replica building experience.

Suspension is the most crucial part of the build, with carefully chosen spring rate, damper tuning and ARB. All these three parts gives the car great handling with predictable response on the limit and easy to control when exceeding it.

LSD is another important part, with high preload to reduce handling changes when pushed hard and low locking rate for more consistent drive experience.

Gearing is also what makes this car special, using adapted racing car close ratio, the Spirra gives excellent acceleration and top speed.

The more I drive this car, the more I like it, especially for hot laps

I tuned and tested at various track, Tsukuba, Brands Hatch GP, Silverstone GP, Silverstone Intl, Bathurst, Matterhorn Rottenboden, Rome and a few others.

When tested at Tsukuba on comfort soft, it was capable of 1:02s
While on sports soft tire :
Bathurst 2:17s on 1st lap going easy on the car
Rome : 1:12s
Silverstone International : 1:07s, while on Sports Medium 1:10.1xxs
Matterhorn Rottenboden : 1:42s with ease.

This is one of the quickest 500PP car

ENJOY


Update : Corrected power and limiter figure for fresh oil change

UPDATE : Tweaked the rear damper, and LSD, the car is now more stable on high speed and braking, easier to push on low to medium speed even on Sports Hard Tire.

The new update managed mid 1:11s at Silverstone International on Sports Hard

This might be great to drive as well, a 500PP version of FEED RX7 replica :

FEED Fujita Engineering Mazda RX7 FD3S Spirit R Type A '02 500PP

Special Build of FEED Fujita Engineering Mazda RX7 FD3S 500PP
2011 Tsukuba Superlap Battle Champion Street S-Class
Comfort Soft to Sports Soft​

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CAR : Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A (FD) '02
Tire : Comfort Soft to Sports Soft

Specs
Horsepower: 352 HP at 6600 RPM
Torque : 286.7 ft-lb at 5100 RPM
Power Limiter at : 94.3%
Weight: 1150 kg
Ballast : 10 kg
Ballast Position : 50
Weight Distribution : 50 / 50
Performance Points: 500


GT AUTO
Oil change
Improve Body Rigidity ( NOT INSTALLED IN THIS BUILD )
Aero Kits Type A
Custom Rear Wing :
Wing Mount Standard Type E
Wing Large Type D
Winglets Large Type C
Height +0 and Width +40
Wheels : +1 Inch Up ADVAN RGII in White or Silver or Black
Car Paint : Grayish Green Mica Metallic (from Toyota Supra RZ '97 ) or Titanium Gray Metallic II ( from Mazda MX-5 Miata 1800 RS '04 )


Tuning Parts Installed :
Sports Computer
Semi Racing Exhaust
Catalytic Converter Sports
Triple Plate Clutch
Carbon Drive Shaft
Fully Customizable Dog Clutch Transmission
Adjustable LSD
Fully Customizable Suspension
Racing Brakes Kit
Carbon Hood
Weight Reduction Stage 1
Window Weight Reduction



Suspension - FEED Fujita Engineering PRO-F09 Coilover Damper Kit
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 75 75
Spring Rate: 15.00 15.00
Dampers (Compression): 6 5
Dampers (Extension): 6 6
Anti-Roll Bars: 5 5
Camber Angle: 0.2 0.2 ( use zero camber all around for max grip )
Toe Angle: -0.07 0.00

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LSD - FEED Fujita Engineering 2 Way LSD Low Locking Rate
Initial Torque : 22
Acceleration Sensitivity: 22
Braking Sensitivity: 22


DOG CLUTCH TRANSMISSION - Corrected Ratio as in real life with custom final
Install all power parts
Set Default
Set Final to 4.000
Set Auto Max Speed at 360kmh / 224mph
Adjust each gear :
1st 3.483
2nd 2.015
3rd 1.391
4th 1.000
5th 0.806
6th 0.675
Set Final : 5.250 ( lower the final for higher speed tracks )


AERO:
REAR : 25 ( adjust to your preference, higher will result in tighter rear end, and slightly lower top speed and acceleration )


Brake Balance:
4/3 ( personal BB) or for ABS 0 wheel : 4/3, for ABS 1 - feel free to use your preferred brake balance. I recommend to run 5/4 for ABS 1 or 1 click higher at the rear.

Recommended setting for DS3 user :

Steering sensitivity at +1 or +2, all aids off, except ABS 1 ( if not comfortable with ABS 0 ) with 4/3brake balance as starting point.

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Notes :
Special build 500PP RX7 Racer based on FEED Fujita Engineering RX7 replica.

I made some changes, removing power parts and lower power to achieve 500PP mark, lighter body at 1150kg, lower rear aero at 25 for better balance of top speed and cornering.

LSD has been tweaked for easier drive and consistency, using low locking rate.

Gearing has been shortened for short to medium speed track, lower the final for more top speed, I recommend 4.700, 4.100 or 3.900.

This tune is very well balanced, able to tackle various corners with ease.

ENJOY

 

[YapalfeuAulac]

Maybe a rocket could do 1:15's?

Do you mean the Light Car Company Rocket? It's not an asian car...

 

[EmaNymton]

The PP system is simple and usable, but I wish it wasn't the only performance statistic they used in every single race.

As for ME, I have never understood the concept of PP's and what it is good for!
Especially as it does not represent a valid relation between Power (bhp or kW) and weight that anyone can reproduce or understand!
I hate PP's!
If they would calculate PP's based on Power to Weight-Ration, that would be understandable and could easily be reproduced or controlled/checked. But they don't! The PP's in GT6 are just a value that may be givenby God (maybe one finds some reference to it in the Bible), but as it is, it seems to be a totally arbitrary value!

 

[YapalfeuAulac]

As for ME, I have never understood the concept of PP's and what it is good for!
Especially as it does not represent a valid relation between Power (bhp or kW) and weight that anyone can reproduce or understand!
I hate PP's!
If they would calculate PP's based on Power to Weight-Ration, that would be understandable and could easily be reproduced or controlled/checked. But they don't! The PP's in GT6 are just a value that may be givenby God (maybe one finds some reference to it in the Bible), but as it is, it seems to be a totally arbitrary value!

I miss the time before PP, when I had a whole list of cars tuned with HP and weight. And when there was no power limiter. It was much more realistic IMO.

 

[redsuns23]

about PP - at sometimes I have a lot of free time and test various cars tuned to exactly 500pp on two or three tracks. You'd be surprised how varying lap times can be...

 

[Polsixe]

As for ME, I have never understood the concept of PP's and what it is good for!
Especially as it does not represent a valid relation between Power (bhp or kW) and weight that anyone can reproduce or understand!
I hate PP's!
If they would calculate PP's based on Power to Weight-Ration, that would be understandable and could easily be reproduced or controlled/checked. But they don't! The PP's in GT6 are just a value that may be givenby God (maybe one finds some reference to it in the Bible), but as it is, it seems to be a totally arbitrary value!

A regression formula that represents PP is = 762.81*(horsepower/kilograms)^0.345.

PP is mainly power/weight, give PD some credit for trying to put more into it. Any system will have some outliers.

For instance a stock GSX is 491 PP, by formula it is 486.

 

[PJTierney]

about PP - at sometimes I have a lot of free time and test various cars tuned to exactly 500pp on two or three tracks. You'd be surprised how varying lap times can be...

Suspension, Gearbox and other adjustable parts do not factor into PP calculation. PP is primarily concerned with power, weight, weight distribution and torque output.

 

[Pseudopod]

Yeah that is a possibility, or they could do the right thing and nerf the GSX but that won't happen. They could do a very simple thing make a concept category for the game and move all concept cars to it and take them out of the road car category. A lot of little things details are broken in the game this is just one of car too many to mention nor is this right thread for that rant.
I don't think they will make the good harder to get as this is has been pretty normal for any challenge with one total dominate car, the dominant car beats the gold by a large amount but there is large variety of cars that can get gold and do so fairly well.

Yeah, there should definitely be a "concept" and/or "prototype" tag, so that they could exclude any car with one of those tags from certain races.

 

[redsuns23]

What tune are you running on the 22b? That is my favorite car in game, hands down.

If you still want it, I did some testing, and this setup is giving me repeatable 1:20:xxx times, with 1:20,629 being the best one. Probably the car could do even better after some adjustments, so this is not really the best, but still - gold is easily doable in it in my opinion.

IMPREZA Coupe 22B STI Version '98

499PP
350HP
1039kg
54:46 weight dist

Tires: CS

Suspension: Fully adjustable
88/88
8,30/7,77
4/4
4/4
3/3
0,0/0,0
-0,30/-0,15

Sports brakes
6/5

Gearbox: Fully adjustable set to 260km/h

LSD: Fully adjustable
8/8
55/50
25/25

Triple clutch suspension, lightweight shaft, 35/65 differential settings

Power mods: Mid-range turbo, sports ecu

Body: Weight reduction stage 3, lightweight hood, lightweight glass

as I said, it's just basic setup that allows for gold, if anyone is into Scoobies

EDIT: Did some fine-tuning and with the new setup 1:20,073 was the best result, so I changed the post.

 

[EmaNymton]

Suspension, Gearbox and other adjustable parts do not factor into PP calculation. PP is primarily concerned with power, weight, weight distribution and torque output.

The only 2 things (afaics) influencing the PP's are: Power-Settings (incl. Limiter) and weight.
Weight Distribution and torque do not influence the PP's.
Another unrealistic fact is, that the Gearbox-Settings do NOT influence neither Power nor PP's.
Show me a real car where, if I Change to a more powerful Gearbox, the power is NOT influenced (leaving anything else as it is). You won't find many (if at all).

 

[redsuns23]

The only 2 things (afaics) influencing the PP's are: Power-Settings (incl. Limiter) and weight.
Weight Distribution and torque do not influence the PP's.
Another unrealistic fact is, that the Gearbox-Settings do NOT influence neither Power nor PP's.
Show me a real car where, if I Change to a more powerful Gearbox, the power is NOT influenced (leaving anything else as it is). You won't find many (if at all).

same goes for LSD... every car (if properly used) will be faster on the track when an LSD is installed..

 

[PJTierney]

Weight Distribution and torque do not influence the PP's.

Weight distribution does have a small influence, which can be seen when you add ballast to a car. In most cars I've tried, there is a 1-2 PP difference depending whether the ballast is placed towards the front or the rear.

 

[Brewguy44]

Thanks again to @nowcontrol for doing this and really liking the new look especially the top image.

 

[Jaywalker]

Thanks again to @nowcontrol for doing this and really liking the new look especially the top image.

+1!

 

[Jaywalker]

All this hating on the GSXR and 2J started in the GT5 seasonals.

These cars were notoriously hard to come by as they were an extremely rare occurance in the UCD.

Now you can buy them at any time, it's all good as far as I can see.

Ok, they are the stand out cars, PP wise, but I actually like the Suzuki and if it wasn't around another car would take its place anyways.

If you want to try something Asian and fairly good for the PP classification, try the Dome Zero (1.19s) and the Mazda RX500 (1.17s) - both concept cars btw

Sure they're good cars, but if you want to chase the top 100 or whatever, you're forced to use them time & time again. It just gets boring. 👎 PD could easily set other restrictions.

On another note, Praiano has a new tune for the Mazda RX8 Type S 2007 that is killer & golds this easily! 👍 Great fun to drive...

 

[Skygrasper550]

Just did this Seasonal with the Impreza 22B. I'm amazed the car grips like glue or epoxy or something, even with C:S tires. I did some 3 laps and some fair bit of fine-tuning before I finally got Gold The trick with the car is to strengthen the LSD under deceleration so that the car doesn't veer off course when you brake hard.

 

[RZQSPEED]

I've tried using my own Legacy setup but failed to get gold...

But thanks to the video above, my GSXR4 not only easily snatches gold for me, but also, placing in 2911th, ahead of @RCKakashi14 and @KazaMR2


Razaqa

 

[Woodski_427]

The spirra was 500PP It needs fine tuning on final drive to suit midfield.


This might be great to drive as well, a 500PP version of FEED RX7 replica :

Yes, I just removed most of the power and went back to stage 1 weight reduction. Probably totally screwed up your carefully prepared balance . The car was still nicely driveable, but suffered understeer.

I shall try your 500pp version on my other Spirra (no rigidity), I may try the RX-7 if I get time 👍.

 

[redsuns23]

I've tried using my own Legacy setup but failed to get gold...

But thanks to the video above, my GSXR4 not only easily snatches gold for me, but also, placing in 2911th, ahead of @RCKakashi14 and @KazaMR2


Razaqa

you mean Subaru Legacy? Would be tough to get but not impossible I think... which Legacy did you try?

 

[RZQSPEED]

you mean Subaru Legacy? Would be tough to get but not impossible I think... which Legacy did you try?

Yes, the spec b sedan

 

[r1roman]

new time 1.14.842 GSX ranking 36

 

[coryclifford]

1:15.250 for P99

 

[Nicko]

Ran a 1'14.595 last night for P9 at the time, few more tweaks to the tune and should be able to get down to a low 14.

 

[SVPSkins]

Do you mean the Light Car Company Rocket? It's not an asian car...

Duh! yeah true sorry

 

[DisabledRacer]

I've tried using my own Legacy setup but failed to get gold...



Razaqa

I always look for a new challenge, so when I read your post about the Legacy Spec B, I decided to try it. Took me a few guesses with the setup, but after about 15 minutes, I managed a Gold time of 1:21.628 without even having a good feel for the car. I see no reason why it couldn't do a 1:20, with a good setup. The biggest key for me was setting the front low and the back high. Thanks for giving me a challenge!

 

[steve nfs]

Just couldn't get gold with Celica SS - ll (ST202) '97 with supercharged engine & couldn't find this tune.

 

[xeronima]

a late reply I know, and the PP is influenced by weight distribution. the closer you are to 50:50 the higher the PP. while the PP is not perfect I still find it quite useful to set the scene. guess irl you'll also find plenty of cars with equal power to weight ratios that will have very different lap times. but yes a factor for mechanical grip does not seem to be included.

as for this event I went overly optimistic and to the RX7 fd 02 on stock settings for nextweek's zero cup. managed a 1'24 something. guess I'll be looking for a different car on stock setup

g

 

[YapalfeuAulac]

Duh! yeah true sorry

No problemo! Errare humanum est