550PP Non-Race Car Super Lap: Eifel Flat

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Doodle
He's not even the quickest DS3 user... There's a guy with a 1:37.1 using a DS3. Both times are really impressive, and this is coming from a former DS3 alien. :crazy:
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My son (he's 32) says that he's faster with the DS3 because he's always played with one. He says it's not a handicap for those that grew up with the controller. Your opinion as one who used both?
 
Whalengt
My son (he's 32) says that he's faster with the DS3 because he's always played with one. He says it's not a handicap for those that grew up with the controller. Your opinion as one who used both?
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I have used the DS3 (Arrow Keys, right stick accelerate) until this summer. Sometimes with very aggresive cars/combos I feel better using a ds3.
But everywhere else only wheel
 
When I first purchased a Play Station 3 and GT5 I would sit at the couch and use the DS3 when I didn't want to take the time to set up a table for the wheel in the living room. I find I'm all thumbs, and not in a good way ;)

I can negotiate a course, barely. But when I'm under pressure to try to knock off a few seconds here and there my thumbs begin to twitch which does not help maintaining a line.

I have been using a wheel since the early 90's and flight controllers as well for flight sims. Actually, I started using a flight stick with the Commodore 64 in the early 80's :eek:

I understand that what you get used to and learn to master because that is what you have can work for many of the younger generations. Some older generations as well probably, but it never worked for me. When playing other games on the computer I use a mouse when a joystick is not the best tool.
 
Using a combination of Stotty and Doodle's set-ups to get me another .500 improvement to a 1:38.804. Feel I have another.400-.600 out there on the track to get. Loosing the most time on the exit from the right handed hairpin in the third sector after the back straight. Can't seem to put the power down no matter what line I try there. Using third gear more in the 2nd sector helped me in that tight section. Thank you for to all for sharing their set-ups.

What I'm running now based on Stottys set-up and some of Doodles adjustments:

NSX-R LM Road Car

Ride Height 85 82
Springs 4.43 6.61
Bound 7 7
Rebound 7 7
ARB 7 7
Camber 0 0
Toe 0 0
Brakes 5 4
LSD 5 12 5

Active Steering Strong
ABS 1 TC 0
 
Down to 1:40.959, good for P802 for the moment. Currently using the S206 NBR with @hall90's tune, if I can stop drifting through some of the corners I think I can break into the 1:39.xxx

Stotty
Tune as promised...

NSX-R LM Road Car
No power upgrades, power limiter @ 93.4
Weight reduction stg 3
Downforce 350 600
Chassis strengthening

Should be 478bhp, 1,143kg, 550ppts

Ride Height 85 80
Springs 4.43 6.61
Bound 5 5
Rebound 5 5
ARB 7 7
Camber 0 0
Toe 0 0
Brakes 5 3
LSD 5 10 5

I've experimented with harder dampers, and have been well ahead of my ghost using 7's all round, but this is the set up i used for my best time so far.

Gears... not sure how I got these as they were already on the car from a previous event - sorry! May just need set max speed to min then set the gears, may need to fiddle about with the final before setting them. If you can match this set, you won't need anything lower than 3rd.

Max speed min
1st 4916
2nd 3605
3rd 2969
4th 2467
5th 2103
6th 1829
Final 3000

Tune is built using active steering strong - if you don't want to use AS you may need to reduce front ride height to get a similar balance. Otherwise, if it's too unstable, adjust as per my post on page 2 to suit your ability level... faster drivers can reduce rear ride height if they want a bit more rotation.
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Nice tune. :D:tup: I need to work on my driving some to master this car, I'll take your advice and tweak the suspension some to help with the spinning out.
 
smokin80
Hey!! Nice to see a fellow Canadian for sure.

I improved to a 1:39.1xx now.
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Have you tried trail trail breaking in some of the tighter corners? That and just being smooth rather than trying to be fast will get you there. Drive to the edge of adhesion. The moment you lose grip you lose time.
 
SilverSE102
Down to 1:40.959, good for P802 for the moment. Currently using the S206 NBR with @hall90's tune, if I can stop drifting through some of the corners I think I can break into the 1:39.xxx


Nice tune. :D:tup: I need to work on my driving some to master this car, I'll take your advice and tweak the suspension some to help with the spinning out.
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Good time using my S206 NBR 👍. Hey @Stotty thanks for posting your tune I am at 1:40.638 using that setup, but I need to have more control of the car in and out of the corners but that comes down to more practise and that what I need and thanks again.
 
Hi guys. New to the forum here, and I was hoping I could pick your collective brains as to what I'm doing wrong. Earlier today, I tried Stotty's setup on the NSX, and no matter what mods I made to it, I could not get it to handle properly, nor keep it from trying to spin out on giving it gas. I ended up going back to the setup I originally had on it, but even then, the best lap I have done with it was just under the 1:45 gold winning time. In addition, it seems no matter what car I try, and what setup I use on it, the best lap I can muster is just under 1:43. That particular lap was with the Tokyo Motor show GT-R concept. I'm assuming my problem has something to do with how I'm attacking the course, but, this is not a new problem for me. No matter which of these seasonal events I've tried, it seems my times are consistently 6 to 10 seconds below the best times posted online. I don't have a wheel, so I can see how I'm slower overall, and, I always use the automatic trans option, but 6-10 seconds difference? Any ideas?
 
Arjabski
Hi guys. New to the forum here, and I was hoping I could pick your collective brains as to what I'm doing wrong. Earlier today, I tried Stotty's setup on the NSX, and no matter what mods I made to it, I could not get it to handle properly, nor keep it from trying to spin out on giving it gas. I ended up going back to the setup I originally had on it, but even then, the best lap I have done with it was just under the 1:45 gold winning time. In addition, it seems no matter what car I try, and what setup I use on it, the best lap I can muster is just under 1:43. That particular lap was with the Tokyo Motor show GT-R concept. I'm assuming my problem has something to do with how I'm attacking the course, but, this is not a new problem for me. No matter which of these seasonal events I've tried, it seems my times are consistently 6 to 10 seconds below the best times posted online. I don't have a wheel, so I can see how I'm slower overall, and, I always use the automatic trans option, but 6-10 seconds difference? Any ideas?
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Welcome m8 :cheers:

Reduce all your actions, like steering, braking accelration, to an absolute minimum. Brake in one process, steer in one smooth movement and drive out of the corner without loosing grip by driving over the limit or too much throttle. Former DS3 user here.
Maybe the NSX is too much for you, try 4WD cars, like the Super Veloce (Lambo). A really good setup was posted by @Ed_Night in the 600pp Ascari seasonal 👍. If you need link, I'll edit my post :)
 
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RacingHardTV
Welcome m8 :cheers:

Reduce all your actions, like steering, braking accelration, to an absolute minimum. Brake in one process, steer in one smooth movement and drive out of the corner without loosing grip by driving over the limit or too much throttle. Former DS3 user here.
Maybe the NSX is too much for you, try 4WD cars, like the Super Veloce (Lambo). A really good setup was posted by @Ed_Night in the 600pp Ascari seasonal 👍. If you need link, I'll edit my post :)
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Thanks :)

I'm not sure I'd agree that it's "too much", but I'd definitely say it does not match well with my driving style.....I like a car with more understeer than oversteer. So yes, I do well with 4WD cars. I'll definitely be checking out that Lambo, and let you know how it worked out. Thanks again for the advice.
 
RacingHardTV
Welcome m8 :cheers:

Reduce all your actions, like steering, braking accelration, to an absolute minimum. Brake in one process, steer in one smooth movement and drive out of the corner without loosing grip by driving over the limit or too much throttle. Former DS3 user here.
Maybe the NSX is too much for you, try 4WD cars, like the Super Veloce (Lambo). A really good setup was posted by @Ed_Night in the 600pp Ascari seasonal 👍. If you need link, I'll edit my post :)
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Great advice. Most people would do so much better if they just stopped over driving the cars. Times will drop the moment you relax and let the car flow through the corners without snapping out. Mind you speeds on the straights comes in handy too. The fastest my settings gives me on the front straight is 148mph just before braking for the first big right hander. Anyone else wish to post their top speed on the front straight as it may point out problems some may have.
 
Used Ed Night R8 tune to break into 1m39's

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...er-lap-eifel-flat.338088/page-2#post-11077262

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Stotty
Tune as promised...

NSX-R LM Road Car
No power upgrades, power limiter @ 93.4
Weight reduction stg 3
Downforce 350 600
Chassis strengthening

Should be 478bhp, 1,143kg, 550ppts

Ride Height 85 80
Springs 4.43 6.61
Bound 5 5
Rebound 5 5
ARB 7 7
Camber 0 0
Toe 0 0
Brakes 5 3
LSD 5 10 5

I've experimented with harder dampers, and have been well ahead of my ghost using 7's all round, but this is the set up i used for my best time so far.

Gears... not sure how I got these as they were already on the car from a previous event - sorry! May just need set max speed to min then set the gears, may need to fiddle about with the final before setting them. If you can match this set, you won't need anything lower than 3rd.

Max speed min
1st 4916
2nd 3605
3rd 2969
4th 2467
5th 2103
6th 1829
Final 3000

Tune is built using active steering strong - if you don't want to use AS you may need to reduce front ride height to get a similar balance. Otherwise, if it's too unstable, adjust as per my post on page 2 to suit your ability level... faster drivers can reduce rear ride height if they want a bit more rotation.
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i done 1,39,883 with your car thanks;)
 
Arjabski
I like a car with more understeer than oversteer.
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To reduce oversteer (increase understeer) on my tune for the NSX-R LM, do the following...

Overall, you can reduce the amount of rotation the car has by reducing front ride height (to say, 80 - level with the rear). This will generally make the car understeer more.

For a more targeted approach...

1. To reduce oversteer on entry: increase front brake bias (by 1-2 clicks). Increase LSD decel (try 10 and increase as needed from there in increments of 1 - LSD settings are very influential, and even 1 click has a noticable effect)

2. To reduce exit oversteer: Reduce LSD accel and/or use a higher gear on corner exits (4th instead of 3rd for example).

However, as I said in some earlier posts, the way to be fast is to not push it too hard on entry... if you push the front too hard you'll need more lock to get round the corner and the more lock you have applied the less throttle you'll be able to use... if the front is sliding (understeering) you will not be able to apply any throttle without getting wheelspin... and even if you don't push the front, the car won't take full throttle until it's completely straight (though it will take almost full throttle, which makes a HUGE difference to your exit speed and lap time).
 
Stotty
To reduce oversteer (increase understeer) on my tune for the NSX-R LM, do the following...

Overall, you can reduce the amount of rotation the car has by reducing front ride height (to say, 80 - level with the rear). This will generally make the car understeer more.

For a more targeted approach...

1. To reduce oversteer on entry: increase front brake bias (by 1-2 clicks). Increase LSD decel (try 10 and increase as needed from there in increments of 1 - LSD settings are very influential, and even 1 click has a noticable effect)

2. To reduce exit oversteer: Reduce LSD accel and/or use a higher gear on corner exits (4th instead of 3rd for example).

However, as I said in some earlier posts, the way to be fast is to not push it too hard on entry... if you push the front too hard you'll need more lock to get round the corner and the more lock you have applied the less throttle you'll be able to use... if the front is sliding (understeering) you will not be able to apply any throttle without getting wheelspin... and even if you don't push the front, the car won't take full throttle until it's completely straight (though it will take almost full throttle, which makes a HUGE difference to your exit speed and lap time).
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Ok, so, now I know for sure what I've suspected all along. I have made adjustments like you mention here the whole time I've been playing, since I played GT3 in fact, and have always had less than agreeable results. As a former auto technician who once specialized in alignments, I have always been well aware of what the adjustments should accomplish for the balance of the car, but it very often did/does not do what I had hoped, and I figured it was the physics of the game, etc. But that's not true at all. I'm using the DS3 controller, always have, but, instead of using the right stick to control the throttle, I'm using the "X" button, which unfortunately means it's just full throttle or nothing at all. As a matter of fact, I just recently found out that the right stick can control the throttle, as stupid as that sounds. Anyway, as it is, the way I've been operating the controller is why my efforts have not worked at ALL with these "tail-happy" cars. I've tried using the stick for throttle recently, but so far not with this event. It's a lot more difficult to coordinate with steering with the other stick at the same time, for me at least. I guess I'll either have to learn how to do it, or resign myself to these slower lap times. Either way, I appreciate the advice, it's helped a lot.
 
Me too!;)

Down to 1:37.792 using @Stotty's 2nd Setup with my own quick-made Gears. Thanks again for sharing!👍

@Arjabski: When using DS3 with X-throttle, you apply partial/increasing throttle by "pumping" the X-button: You go "On-Off-On-Off", often increasingly till you can apply full throttle. This is a Right-thumb-skill which can be perfected to ALMOST equalize the difference from a real throttle. This particular combo is quite difficult in that respect though, as it needs a lot of throttle-feathering.:)
 
@Arjabski Before GT6, I played F1 CE with X-Button for throttle. But you had to press it so hard to get full throttle (China, Indy :irked:), that your thumbs hurt after half race distance. That is why I changed to right stick... all button assignments are still from that one game :lol:

All about the habits 👍 Hope you find a good balance.
 
Thanks everyone for all the input......it's been really difficult to diagnose this problem properly. One thing I have discovered applying all the suggestions you've made is that the LSD really does have a larger affect on handling than I had previously thought. It seems to make it easier to make adjustments using that, rather than messing with the suspension. I've also tried some of the gear setups, interesting how those work too. However, I have no better lap times to report unfortunately, but, it's getting there.
 
Really don't like the seasonal's this time around. 550pp on CS and 700pp on Autumn Ring. Common PD, who's thinking this up? :yuck:

But since I really can't drive the Chaparral farting machine on Autumn Ring, I started this one. After getting to know the track a little, started to actually enjoy this a little bit. Thanks to @Stotty for sharing your tune and advice again.

I play with DS3 (ABS1) and presently at a 1:39,354. With Stotty's tune and LSD 5/8/5.

Really need to work on that "throttle-feathering" to get a bit closer to @Roweer1 impressive time. :bowdown:

Hope to get in the 38's the coming days.
 
Roweer1
Well i'm fine with the setup you already posted -Thanks for that!:cheers:
To manage the rotation, i have the LSD at 6-10-6, and also had to use TC=1. But then it's good enough for a 1:38.187 with DS3 and no AS. :)

Applause to @Dalone. You're getting hard to beat these last few TT's. Finally getting the hang of that wheel? Bet you wish you could set these times when our friend from Detroit was around; I remember him saying you would never beat him. You'd surely give him a run for his money now!:)
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Thanks for the acknowledgement Roweer1, appreciate it mate.
Ha ha, you know I was only thinking along those lines the other day, now that I am getting used to the wheel.
Guess I'll never know, he's gone and uncontactable I think.
Haven't played for about a week and will have a quick go at the 700 race before I start again in the NSX.

Thought I posted this yesterday (Sunday) but apparently I didn't, in any case I spent about an hour or so in that weird car at Autumn Ring with only the sound of the tyres. Blahhh!
 
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Yesterday I made these changes to the Setup i was using. (Stotty's 2nd):

-Lowered Rear Ride Height to 78 (Not much -i know. Might try some more)
-All Dampers at 7
-LSD to 5-12-5
-I also used Stotty's Gears, which i previously hadn't (BTW: Stotty's Initial final is Default)

I immediately felt a potential improvement: For a couple of sessions i hadn't been able to get near my 1:37.792. Now I was almost always in front at T1 and could see that there was also room for improvement in the last part. After 45mins. I finally got a 1:37.668....

Only then did i discover the probable REAL reason for this newfound speed: I was on AS!:dunce: _There goes the reputation!:lol:
-Nahh; I was never that fanatic about AS: Sometimes I use it -sometimes I don't. I usually end up with what I started with 'coz foremostly i find it hard to change either way. But apparently this time, I missed it altogether.

Came back last night to "finetune" my driving to AS and was able to improve by 0.007 at first. But then came out of the blue a crazy 1:37.382!! Putting me 19'th overall and 2nd with the DS3 -That's...until @Ed_Night comes back, (perhaps by use of AS) and beats that japanese 1st place DS3. I watched his lap when he was still top 10 (11 now); he was doing 240km/h on the straight -i can only go 238!?
Retrospectively: If ever there was a combo to make use of AS (when you're on a Stick and an X-button), this would be it - i think. And apparently worth around 0.4sec. But whether you're with or without AS, Improvements on this one comes surprisingly and in big numbers -so KEEP AT IT and best of luck!👍
 
Impressive @Roweer1 (even thou it is with AS, ;) :lol:)

I also reach 240km/h on the straight and stay ahead of you until the second turn, but that doesn't mean much when I lose more than a second later in the lap. :crazy:

Did finally improved myself by 0.5 sec and got myself in the 38's with a 1:38,612. (With DS3, no aids except ABS1)
 

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