550PP Non-Race Car Super Lap: Eifel Flat

[Roweer1]

Yeah i know; it's not THAT impressive. Can i draw the "I'm 52"-card then

Different gearsetup? Care to share?

Yes, great improvement. You now have the bronze on my FL 👍

 

[Mike-ZENKAI]

"I'm 52", doesn't count as an excuse .

I'm bronze on my own FL as well, only "need" to beat @nowcontrol for silver, (until he switches to the Honda, )

I just use the gear setup from Stotty with a very small ajustment in final gear.

(Sorry for crappy picture)

 

[Stotty]

I had a really frustrating session on this yesterday afternoon.

All started off so well, and I was in to the 37’s within 15 mins (normally takes me a good deal longer to get the feel back after a week off), and down to within 0.1 of my previous best within 30 mins… I was feeling super confident I’d be down in the 37.3 range within a short time.

Then I just seemed to lose any ability to run consistently… far too much over driving of the car, couldn't string 2 corners together, splits all over the place.

I did beat my previous best, but I was 0.299s up on my ghost at the 2nd split and lost it all running wide in the penultimate corner, ending up only 0.002 faster

At that point I rage quit

 

[ODB]

@Stotty sounds familiar I did an hour stint on friday and only managed ONE lap under 38's (37.99x ) and after that I managed to make quite steady laps around 38.3 and it really didn't feel like I'm going to go any faster so I went to do some QUICK RACES and honestly spend something like 3 hours in those insane events where half the people are just trying to push me off the track I mean I don't know does that stuff have anything to do with racing, but it sure is fun, highly intensive and really developes your nerves damn it's hard to stay calm when getting penalties over someone else hitting you etc. hehehehe... Naah, really takes few relaxing beers to make it enjoyable (or bearable at least ) but damn it sure was fun no matter all the stupidity involved in those quick races hehehehe...

Oh yeah, is the registration open for full month now a days, really gonna go for bit better time no matter how distant it looked on friday, at least there's a PLENTY of time good luck hombres

Oh yeah @Stotty do you think your chassis has started to get loose?? I'm not really sure, but sometimes it has seem like already after 200 km or so the car looses its best sharpness... No really sure about this though...

 

[Stotty]

@Stotty sounds familiar I did an hour stint on friday and only managed ONE lap under 38's (37.99x ) and after that I managed to make quite steady laps around 38.3 and it really didn't feel like I'm going to go any faster so I went to do some QUICK RACES and honestly spend something like 3 hours in those insane events where half the people are just trying to push me off the track I mean I don't know does that stuff have anything to do with racing, but it sure is fun, highly intensive and really develops your nerves damn it's hard to stay calm when getting penalties over someone else hitting you etc. hehehehe... Naah, really takes few relaxing beers to make it enjoyable (or bearable at least ) but damn it sure was fun no matter all the stupidity involved in those quick races hehehehe...

Oh yeah, is the registration open for full month now a days, really gonna go for bit better time no matter how distant it looked on friday, at least there's a PLENTY of time good luck hombres

Oh yeah @Stotty do you think your chassis has started to get loose?? I'm not really sure, but sometimes it has seem like already after 200 km or so the car looses its best sharpness... No really sure about this though...

I don't race on-line anymore for that very reason

I refreshed the chassis before my session yesterday - it was already yellow post my last session (but the car did have >500 miles on it when I started this event).

I can run 37's pretty every lap once I get in to the groove - only time I don't is if I completely miss a braking point. And I will be back to chase down a low 37... just need to be in a better frame of mind

 

[ODB]

I don't race on-line anymore for that very reason

Hahahaha, yeah, in the end of the post you're talking about being in certain or in better frame of mind and those quick matches really requires a totally different frame of mind than grinding TT's and if I'm honest I think I get some sort of childish satisfaction from out-maneuvering those bullies trying to push me off some of those slower drivers are just ridiculous flying past me in to the sand when trying to ram me, and more experienced/better drivers usually drive more cautiously but also the harder someone tries to push me out without succeeding the more fun it is well at least when I keep in mind that it's just expected to people to either ram me off or cut corners in some wild manner gaining ten seconds and winning the whole thing without even trying to race fair hehehe, but yeah, usually I stay away, but on friday I got bit carried a way hehehe...

I can run 37's pretty every lap once I get in to the groove - only time I don't is if I completely miss a braking point. And I will be back to chase down a low 37...

I did some driving after work and even managed to improve down to 37.6543210 but what really was bit frustrating was that I just could not get the first part of the lap right more than few times today and after improving my lap I found myself loosing 2 tenths on the first sector alone almost all the time and at the same time I was able to be few tenths faster in the last three corners than my ghost... Really freaking odd but could not figure out what the hell I started to do wrong there but I started to make that first sector in .3's witch is not that good and being able to gain few tenths in the end is just useless when I don't get the beginning right...

I did beat my previous best, but I was 0.299s up on my ghost at the 2nd split and lost it all running wide in the penultimate corner,

Yeah, I think I was able to reach your ghost few times coming few tenths behind for that penultimate corners so it really didn't go that well at all... I actually was ahead of you on my current record coming in to last corner but I think I was bit too careful and lost some time there.... But yeah, good luck for the future, this combo sure seems to need some

I refreshed the chassis before my session yesterday - it was already yellow post my last session (but the car did have >500 miles on it when I started this event).

Hehehe, mine has over 2 000 km, I was thinking about maybe buying a new one, but somehow I doubt that it would make any difference, most likely not

 

[Dalone]

Made a small gain to 1:38.464 for pos #91. Using a Stotty tune but Roweer's rear spring @ 78 and my LSD 5-8-12, which is a work in progress. Leaving nearly 2 tenths on the track so still room for improvement.
Have to try Roweer's other setting changes yet.
Oh, took Stotty's advice and refreshed the chassis too.
Has anyone notice how the jet trail comes and goes?

 

[MidnightRun85]

Took me a few attempts with different cars to get this one golded. I think I'm too heavy on braking in general.

First few laps was with the Suzuki GSX-R/4, which was too light and slid all over the place. Couldn't get any grip with this thing and my lap times were only just scraping under 1:50.

Took my Evora out for a few rounds, and struggled with the chassis balance, spending more time in the grass and creating red lap times than I care to mention!

Eventually, after reading about the heavier cars being more suited to this task I decided to take a bigger, heavier, 4WD out for a few laps. Step in Subaru S206. My first (clean) lap was a 1:47, second was a low 1:45, and after a couple of tweaks to the suspension I managed a 1:44. Gold time, paints and a Cien. Happy.

Only just scraped through, but I haven't got the time to spend hours grinding away to get amazing laps times on slippy tyres right now...

 

[ODB]

Ok today it felt like I was in better shape and with bit more clear mind than yesterday and improvement was lurking around the corner all the time, felt quite confident so I lowered rear RH down to 65 and increased accel sensitivity up to 15... After few laps it felt like I had it under control but car kept slipping just that tiny bit to mess up my good laps so I went on and refreshed the chassis and I think it was only after 5 laps until bang I managed to make really nice lap and got under 37.5 (37.490 IIRC) with only one really obvious mistake loosing some time in that corner that starts the second sector... Seems like lower rear RH and higher LSD accel (otherwise using tunes posted by @Stotty ) makes it maybe bit more sensitive to handle, but when it gets right it really rewards 👍

 

[Stotty]

37.5 (37.490 IIRC)

Great time

Seems like lower rear RH and higher LSD accel (otherwise using tunes posted by @Stotty ) makes it maybe bit more sensitive to handle, but when it gets right it really rewards 👍

Yep, that's always the case... higher front ride = more rotation, and the more rotation you can manage, the faster you will be... same with LSD accel... higher = more power transferred to the wheels, so as long as you're throttle control is good enough you'll be faster with a higher setting. 👍

 

[Roweer1]

So I tried @Mike-ZENKAI's Final Gear (I see you have alterations to a couple of individual gears aswell -but i don't think that's a reason for a better top speed), but i still can't go 240 on the straight. Thanks for sharing btw.👍

But i have suspected something else for a while now: When applying @Stotty's gears, i noticed that i couldn't get the exact digits: 1st gear will only go to 4.917 (Stotty: 4.916) and 6'th went to 1.830 (Stotty: 1.829 IIRC). I've come across this phenomenon before and someone here (the all-knowing @nowcontrol perhaps?) helped me to understand that this was due to different whellsize. When applying Stotty's gears, I didn't make anything of it 'coz that isn't much of a difference -on paper. But when i found out i was 2km/h short on the straight, i thought perhaps diff. wheelsize could be the reason. But seeing that also Mike-ZENKAI can go to 4.916 in 1st and having checked that I myself have standard wheelsize, i'm puzzled: It doesn't sound likely, that BOTH Stotty and Mike-ZENKAI has altered wheelsize.....? I'm quite convinced that herein lies the reason for my lack of speed -but what's going on?

I'd appreciate to be clearified -'coz i'll need the extra speed to have any chance of approaching my best lap. Otherwise i would have to resolve to the Setup extremities of Doodle and ODB -but somehow i doubt that's gonna work out well with the controller...

 

[Stotty]

I have +2" wheels on my NSX-R's (I pretty much always fit bigger wheels for aesthetic reasons ).

Don't think it affects top speed in any way though as no one on my friends list is ahead of me on the main straight (and I have Rajman on there, who was ranked #2 last time I looked).

 

[Roweer1]

Thanks -appreciate it. Explains the difference in gears but alas not the lack of speed. I take it you go 240 also. I refuse to believe that i haven't been able to come properly out of the last corner -even once, so i'll have to search on. My car has +2600km on it and close to 500 since last Body refreshment -but i have the impression that, as long as "everything is green", you're good to go!? Is there a continuos deterioration going on, that we can't spot? -Anyone?

 

[Stotty]

Not sure what my top speed is. I don't look at it when running laps, nor do I use sector times when running laps - I use a ghost to judge where I am (which I switch on and off at different parts of the track).

Only time I look at speeds is in the data logger, when I'm trying to see where I'm losing time vs one of the top 10 times... and then I'm not looking at the speed itself, only the delta... oh, and I'm using MPH not KMH

Last time I compared my lap to Rajman's, there was no difference in speed on the main straight.

IMO, if everything is green the car is OK 👍

 

[Roweer1]

Thanks again. I hardly ever watch -and never use anybody elses replay -but when you get close to the top, you get curious, that's how i noticed he was faster. I don't know my sectortimes either -but i spot if they are blue! I use my Beige line for reference 'coz the ghost has a habit of getting in the way
I thought you might use MPH but hey: There's your reason to switch: A short calculation says you woudn't have spotted the difference in speed if you were in my shoes using MPH...

 

[Stotty]

Thanks again. I hardly ever watch -and never use anybody elses replay -but when you get close to the top, you get curious, that's how i noticed he was faster. I don't know my sectortimes either -but i spot if they are blue! I use my Beige line for reference 'coz the ghost has a habit of getting in the way
I thought you might use MPH but hey: There's your reason to switch: A short calculation says you woudn't have spotted the difference in speed if you were in my shoes using MPH...

Perhaps... though I would expect a blue ghost line would pop in front of me on the run to turn 1 if anyone on my friends list was pulling a faster top speed than me... and if the line did't appear, even if I was a fraction slower, the time difference would be negligible!

 

[Whalengt]

Stotty the next time you look at your data can you check for your top speed before braking for the first corner? Mine is 148 mph and it seems to be in the ball park.

 

[Roweer1]

Perhaps... though I would expect a blue ghost line would pop in front of me on the run to turn 1 if anyone on my friends list was pulling a faster top speed than me... and if the line did't appear, even if I was a fraction slower, the time difference would be negligible!

That's right -and i haven't spotted any friends blue lines appearing at turn one. But then Mike-ZENKAI tells me he's in front of me till turn two and i'm thinking perhaps i'm not seing him/them pop up because i'm focused on braking and we might have different approaches to turn one. I realize if they're not visibly in front, it's of little importance -but it might add up a bit during a whole lap. Well: time for some testing of my own....

 

[Ed_Night]

This is the most frustrating TT ever. Way to many hairpins for my liking.

Improved from 1:37,472 to 1:37,466 than 1:37,458 and suddenly knocked off over half a tenth to 1:37,406.
Finally managed a 1:37,317 and took 2nd place of the DS3 leaderboard.
@Roweer1 Sorry mate.

Unbelievable hard to string a lap together, but i want to beat q---DOCK---p so i can't use AS.
Sector times are still all over the place, but 1:36 seems possible.

 

[Stotty]

Stotty the next time you look at your data can you check for your top speed before braking for the first corner? Mine is 148 mph and it seems to be in the ball park.

Will do... unlikely to be before the weekend though as I don't tend to bother after work (too knackered!).

I have 150mph in my mind, but no more than 50% confident

Unbelievable hard to string a lap together

So true

The line between grip and slip on this one is incredibly narrow, and any slip = so much lost time.

Think how rewarding it will be when you really manage to hook a lap up

 

[ODB]

Great time

Thanks mate, really felt yesterday that I was founding some of my routine from few months back and doing 1,5 hour stint didn't feel like quite nothing at all, also I was almost automatically behind the wheel after work so I think the "next tenth syndrome" is starting to kick in properly hehehhehe, naah, I was actually quite surprised after making such a nice lap and I lost the flow for I got bit distracted thinking "WTF did just happen" heheheh, really happy about making the lap though, I've messed more than few opportunities on this TT and honestly speaking it was getting bit annoying

Yep, that's always the case... higher front ride = more rotation, and the more rotation you can manage, the faster you will be... same with LSD accel... higher = more power transferred to the wheels, so as long as you're throttle control is good enough you'll be faster with a higher setting. 👍

Yeah, and in this TT I've had great opportunity to make the car rotate more when I've felt comfortable for there's been so good base tune and good tips for fine tuning, also I've been quite patient keeping the tune easy enough to drive, so now it feels like I got the driving line learned so well I get the benefit from more rotation, trying to learn completely new track with that tune I'm currently driving would have been REALLY frustrating hehhe, but yeah, on these settings it feels like it's quite difficult on those first three turns, but on the rest of the lap it gives really nice speed in and out from corners if you just get it right...

myself have standard wheelsize, i'm puzzled: It doesn't sound likely, that BOTH Stotty and Mike-ZENKAI has altered wheelsize.

Heh, I actually tried it on stock wheel size today, and I maybe wrong but on a fast try it felt bit softer than when having 2" up? Does anyone know do tire size really affect handling?

 

[Ed_Night]

Think how rewarding it will be when you really manage to hook a lap up

This was rewarding...

 

[Stotty]

Stotty the next time you look at your data can you check for your top speed before braking for the first corner? Mine is 148 mph and it seems to be in the ball park.

Checked my replay, and shows 148mph, though data logger says 147.

Immortal is same speed.

 

[Whalengt]

Checked my replay, and shows 148mph, though data logger says 147.

Immortal is same speed.

Thanks Stotty, That's what mine shows too.

 

[rosckolove]

Man this TT is so far out of anything I'm used to. The throttle control needed here is something I never needed to master, but I'm excited to see how the extra skill will translate to the other forms of racing I'm used to.

This is a great combo. I can't wait to spend some serious time on it.

Thanks stotty for posting your tune and especially all of your insightful advice. It's really great to have you here.

 

[Stotty]

As I'd got the game booted up to look at replays, I couldn't resist having a quick session last night.

Chipped off another 0.1 to 1'37.50x.

1st half of the lap is good, 2nd half not good The long fast right hander is killing me!

 

[ODB]

1st half of the lap is good, 2nd half not good The long fast right hander is killing me!

Heh great lap!!! I think mine was exact opposite of your lap for at least it felt like I pretty much nailed those last three corners with team work we could probably make it to the top ten hehehe...

 

[Stotty]

Probably... I think I was around 0.2 up on both you and Ed going on to the fast right... And lost all that and more to the line

 

[SVPSkins]

This race was alot of fun in the Mini

 

[ODB]

I think I was around 0.2 up on both you and Ed going on to the fast right... And lost all that and more to the line

Yeah freaking annoying how easy it is to loose that TWO tenths I actually had a pretty good stint today but every time coming to that fast right you were ahead of me, plus I kept messing up in those two last corners (especially in the penultimate ) when I was even (or ahead) of your ghost... Heh, good thing is that I really don't have to struggle to get it under .38's anymore, it's just that getting around 37,5 is so near my maximum at this speed that improving is going to be really freaking amazing, if I happen to get it that is heheh, two weeks to go, and if it seems like I can't make any faster laps I try it with AS on on the last week, really not sure though if I'm interested enough for I already once tried AS in a TT (SoW+KTM X-bow) that I had a really good lap already on the board... thing just was, that I kept loosing to my ghost by tenth or so no matter that I was making it to the same time more frequently... Also I had to adapt my driving WITCH I didn't like at all and even though I'm quite skeptic about making any faster laps with AS on, I think this could be good TT to try it out once more so I'll give it a go after next week... Well if I'm still feeling like it that is heheh, but yeah, good luck guys

EDIT: (SoW+KTM X-bow) does anyone know how to solve this