A-spec Race Challenges #6: 21/08/2014 - 04/09/2014

[LogicWavelength]

I'll ask a slightly different question, since I'm pretty much being ignored in my previous one.

I am getting back into GT after not playing (really playing) since 4. Is there some common behavior among the high-horsepower modified cars where they simply push too much through corners? I have several cars like an S2000, STi and BRZ that drive wonderfully at 450-550pp. But when I step up to my R34 GT-R or this C7 Corvette, no amount of suspension tweaking can keep them out of the outside wall when I apply throttle mid-apex. I basically coast the corners because if I hit X, I insta-understeer.

Help?

 

[nowayback]

@LogicWavelength , I tried the C7 650pp, flat floor as you have it. The car should have no problem to win, you must learn the track well too. Practice
Its normal, you cant really push in the turns, just keep racing line, and get ready to accelerate out fast. The higher the hp the more difficult to control. Needs throttle control, bit difficult with the "X" . .

All the Vision cars are have very smooth drives .

 

[JaseScott]

beginner race..... 2 words: El. Camino.

Nice suggestion.
Just finished a long round of Boss 302 myself.
Took me quite a few goes to win it against another Boss.

 

[Fuzzi0n]

Used my Jag XKR-S for all three of them. Had to detune it for the first two. AI still slows down a lot until you pass them then they have a turbo boost down the straight to keep up - didn't get crashed into though which was a nice change.

@ LogicWavelength

It's tricky to set some of the cars up to handle a huge amount of power as you need them to understeer to make them manageable on the throttle. Best thing I can recommend is adjust your driving style so you're getting all of your braking out of the way and then you turn in early and coast through the corner. Then get on the power progressively as you straighten the car up. Otherwise either pick something that is lighter that doesn't need as much power or stick with 4WD where you can make it pretty loose off the throttle because the 4WD system will balance it out once you get back on it.

 

[ALB123]

Well, I finally had a chance to run this week's Seasonal Events. I've got to admit I came in 2nd place on my first attempt of the Expert Challenge. I am not good/familiar with Tokyo at all. I never run it - did terrible in the Nissan Vision GT event there. I was using my Aventador which I've tuned rather well for my driving style over time, but I was bouncing off every barrier on the track. Ugh...It was embarassing. I switched to my McLaren F1 and won Gold on my second attempt. My overall time was 9:11.689 -- while I wasn't playing Plinko off every barrier this time, I still think I drove this track like total s:censored:t!! Both of my attempts on Tokyo had me chasing the Cerbera Speed 12 '00 for the lead. I don't own one of those cars, but I might want to consider it -- it seems to be a quick car!

I can understand why many of you might be disappointed in this week's Expert Level event, but for myself this will be a good learning tool. As long as I don't get too lazy, this provides me with a good time to really learn the Tokyo course and collect some credits in the process. Good luck to the rest of you!

 

[LogicWavelength]

@nowayback, just got it. My problem was differential settings. I had never changed them. Also, I had the suspension a bit too low and a bit too stiff. Either way, it was a photo finish - I only beat the TVR by a few thousandths - when I passed him out of the last turn and dragged to the finish.

Sadly, my wheel never gets used anymore. I feel if I were allowed to convert my setup to bachelor-spec I wouldn't have had a problem.

Thanks for the help.

 

[lldantell]

I beaten the expert race with my x bow(crossbow). It had the same amount of performance points as the Aston but with this car, I ran away from the leader in the 4th lap. The only part that was stock was the suspension.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Decent races this week. Intermediate race was kinda unremarkable though.

For the beginner race, I used a 1971 Ford Mustang Mach 1 with this tune from @Leonidae@MFT, one half of the legendary Mad Finn Tuners duo. This will keep the race pretty interesting and it's a pretty fun car to drive too.

Good luck everyone!

Thanks for the advertisement etc Feel free to leave a review of the tune if you haven't done so yet.

 

[croozer_63]

Hi all.. I just completed the latest seasonals and I dig all 3 circuits chosen this fortnight.
Normally, i silently tolerate the 30 or 40 customary "the seasonals are too easy/too slow/silly a.i " themed posts. But not today.
As always, if you are competing with cars anywhere near the maximum allowable PP, the beginner and inter races aren't challenging.
As always, copying a highly refined, published tune to a super-competitive car with the softest allowed tyre choice will make the expert race a breeze.
I'm not saying employing these methods is unfair or qualify you as a cheat, i am merely pointing out the pointlessness of whinging & bragging about how easy it is to win if you have superior equipment to your competiton. Lets face it, It doesn't impress, educate or entertain either.
Try the Expert races with a harder compound tyre in a car unfamiliar to you with minimal modifications. Try respecting track boundaries and avoiding dirty overtakes.

Hey Krasch, seems your post is almost aimed directly at me. Yes, without knowing how hard the race is going to be, with the AI behaviour , speed, tactics, etc, then yes, I do opt for what I consider a competitive car initially. PD set the boundries, so I play within them. After realising how easy they are , I too can get a skateboard and win the race, easily. Yet to find one ever I couldn't gold, race or TT. If making things as hard as possible for yourself is your turn on, so be it, but the rules are set by PD and that's how I play. Sometimes too easy, sometimes very difficult. Anyway , enjoy the expert race in the Fiat punto, should be almost a challenge for you, cheers.

 

[skeagracing]

Decent races this week. Intermediate race was kinda unremarkable though.

For the Expert race, I used this tune from TUNERXANDE1959 for the McLaren F1, but installed the best of all parts so the power figures are higher than what the tune calls for and also adjusted to fit the regulations, but the rest of the settings are the same.

I was making pretty good time around the track and managed to catch up with the leading Huarya. I was expecting a good battle to the finish, but in the first corner, he's too late on the brakes and nosedives right into the barrier. So much for a climactic battle.

Please take note the stiffness of the springs in this tune. This car can turn pretty sharply, but mind the curbs along the track. I had to restart the race a couple of times because I was pushing the car too hard, nicked the curb too far and wound up rolling the car. So, be sure to slow yourself adequately if you hit the curbs.

For the beginner race, I used a 1971 Ford Mustang Mach 1 with this tune from @Leonidae@MFT, one half of the legendary Mad Finn Tuners duo. This will keep the race pretty interesting and it's a pretty fun car to drive too.

Good luck everyone!

Thank you as I won with the tune and McLaren F1 with no battle to the finish as you. Not happy when he nosedived into the barrier.

 

[Digimortal77]

Beginner: Dodge Ram Pick Up
Intermediate: Trans Am
Advanced: NSX LM Road Car.

Too easy.

 

[BMWcrazy]

For Intermediate, I used an LFA Nurburgring Package with sports hard tires. It was mad fun.

Considering the time i think the Beginner race is producing best CR/min of the three.

Yes, the Beginner race is definitely the new money maker.

 

[Mt. Lynx]

Beginner: Aston Martin DB7 PP483. SH tires, BB 6/3, TCS 1, ABS 1.

Intermediate: Aston Martin V12 Vantage PP521. SM tires, BB 6/2, toe -0.05/0.20, TCS 1, ABS 1.

Expert: Aston Martin DP-100 VGT PP649. SS tires, BB 8/2, TCS 1, ABS 1.

Settings listed are the only parameters the cars have to play with.

The hardest one was the beginner race. Took me 4 tries to get gold. The DB7 isn't really all "that". Fun though.

 

[trustjab]

I always use the Suzuki Capuccino for 450-500pp. Try it, a great challenge to draft and pass in the turns and braking.

 

[skeagracing]

I always use the Suzuki Capuccino for 450-500pp. Try it, a great challenge to draft and pass in the turns and braking.

Good idea!!

 

[lldantell]

I beaten the intermediate race with a scirocco on my first try. It was one of those races where it is a lot easier to beat then you think.

 

[cbarbosa]

If anyone would like a fun 650PP race with a challenging ride, Praiano FXX updated tune is the one...

All aids off, no restricted power, im using DS3... 👍

 

[Tyger]

Hey Krasch, seems your post is almost aimed directly at me. Yes, without knowing how hard the race is going to be, with the AI behaviour , speed, tactics, etc, then yes, I do opt for what I consider a competitive car initially. PD set the boundries, so I play within them. After realising how easy they are , I too can get a skateboard and win the race, easily. Yet to find one ever I couldn't gold, race or TT. If making things as hard as possible for yourself is your turn on, so be it, but the rules are set by PD and that's how I play. Sometimes too easy, sometimes very difficult. Anyway , enjoy the expert race in the Fiat punto, should be almost a challenge for you, cheers.

I'm with Krasch on this one, though not sure why you thought his comments were aimed squarely at you. If your experience is that you've never struggled to gold any of the races, why do you go straight into them with a fully tuned, maxed-out car? Try using a stock car or something that will probably *not* win but make a good attempt anyway, then build up to something that gives you a real challenge. You might find it fun (see trustjab's post above about the Cappucino), rather than banging on about how easy it was in a stupidly quick and responsive car.

 

[nowayback]

When members say a race is easy, I believe that they are only speaking of themselves and they do not mean to demean anyone. All they are doing is explaining what they think. And if you want, it is actually a reference point to where others might be. So when I was more of a beginner , it would tell me I better practice more. If you have the time, if not..well slow but sure.

 

[coryclifford]

So me and a few friends race 405 pp cars a lot. I like the '93 Honda Civic. It's tweaked to simulate my real Civic I used to Autocross with. Yeah well, how about a first place at the Intermediate race at Trial Mountain with it?

405 pp. Yep.

I dare ya to try.

 

[FSportIS]

If anyone else find it too ez, here is how to make it more difficult:
Level 1: DOWNgrade your tuned car's tires by 1 level.
Level 2: UNTUNE and DOWNgrade the car's tires by 1 level so you are running a stock car with worse tires.
Level 3: Run the car 50 PP lower than the max with NO tune.
Level 4: Run the car 50 PP lower than the max with 1 grade lower tires
Level 5: Run the car 100 PP lower than the max with NO tune.
Level 6: Run the car 100 PP lower than the max with NO tune and 1 grade lower tires.
Level 7: Run the car 200 PP lower than the max.
Level 8: Run the car 300 PP lower than the max.

Now, do this and report back what level you are at. I will bet you that this WILL BE CHALLENGING!

 

[sirjim73]

@FSportIS Level 0

Thanks to the OP for keeping these threads going since Jogo went and go'd away (hope he comes back sometime) 👍

Enjoyed all 3 events this time around. I usually manage the Beginners and Intermediates at Gold but not always the Expert. So that gives you my level (Mr Intermediate )

I'm gonna stick my neck above the parapit here and say I generally find the beginners races nearly as tough as the expert races to start with (until I get used to the track combo) as they are so short it doesn't give a lot of time to get past the 11 roadblocks...

Also it seems to me your experience of the Expert event might depend partly on what cars you use.
I tried it first with the Aston Vision and got nowhere near the Huayra at the front. Secondly, I tried the Bugatti "****ing turn damn you" Veyron and didn't win with that either...

Finally, I gave up and went with the Huayra '13 (if you can't beat the rabbits join them) and won at a canter.

So I guess I can see why, if I managed the Expert race ok that probably means for someone with more skill they might find it easy.

I always get people offering to help me with driving skills, but to be honest I find the game a good challenge at my skill level and am happy where I am. Frankly, if I was a much better driver I would find the game less addictive, if that makes sense.

Anyway, I can see the 3 minute grind at Motegi is gonna get a lot of my time for the next couple of weeks

 

[Teflonicus]

Hi all.. I just completed the latest seasonals and I dig all 3 circuits chosen this fortnight.
Normally, i silently tolerate the 30 or 40 customary "the seasonals are too easy/too slow/silly a.i " themed posts. But not today.
As always, if you are competing with cars anywhere near the maximum allowable PP, the beginner and inter races aren't challenging.
As always, copying a highly refined, published tune to a super-competitive car with the softest allowed tyre choice will make the expert race a breeze.
I'm not saying employing these methods is unfair or qualify you as a cheat, i am merely pointing out the pointlessness of whinging & bragging about how easy it is to win if you have superior equipment to your competiton. Lets face it, It doesn't impress, educate or entertain either.
Try the Expert races with a harder compound tyre in a car unfamiliar to you with minimal modifications. Try respecting track boundaries and avoiding dirty overtakes.

No matter how you shake it, there is a vast difference in challenge or difficultly between this expert seasonal and the last one. In this expert seasonal, I accidentally chose a car that was 50pp under the maximum for the first time I tried it. The race was still far too easy, and I didn't realise my mistake at all. Not exactly "superior equipment".

If I had done that in the last seasonal at Nurburgring, I would have been instantly (well ... after the 50 second "warm up" anyway) reminded that I had no chance.

Even if you enjoy the seasonals when they are easier, and I can understand that some people might, that doesn't explain the vast discrepancy in difficultly from one week to the next. Unless you can explain that discrepancy, I'd suggest that some of what you wrote is misdirected.

 

[croozer_63]

I'm with Krasch on this one, though not sure why you thought his comments were aimed squarely at you. If your experience is that you've never struggled to gold any of the races, why do you go straight into them with a fully tuned, maxed-out car? Try using a stock car or something that will probably *not* win but make a good attempt anyway, then build up to something that gives you a real challenge. You might find it fun (see trustjab's post above about the Cappucino), rather than banging on about how easy it was in a stupidly quick and responsive car.

Just for the record, I like the more challenging seasonals, lets get that clear. I never said that I never struggle to gold an event. I have done the same race up to 100+ times before winning, so alien I am not. As posted originally, you never really know what to expect with these "expert" races now, so I go in prepared for the toughest challenge, within the parameters set by PD. Sure the car I used is quick and responsive, but at times I have seen the Pagni and the McLaren be virtually un-catchable as rabbits in the 600-650 races, so not that unrealistic to use the one-77. Just happens to be my personal favourite car in the game, which I don't get to use very often. As stated, once they reveal themselves to be too easy, I will then play around with low pp, lower grade tyres etc. Anyway, the game is for all players, neither your way nor mine or anyone elses is the right way, its a personal thing. Enjoy your races your way, as I will too.

 

[Hotspace 5150]

To make everything easier just use the 600pp NSX-R LM Road Car tune from priano(credits to him) and just put the limiter on 100%.

I took the first car down ending of 4th lap. When entering 3rd long turn go on third gear but do not use to much gas but you may use a lot but not through the whole way.

Try to stay around the gears around 2-4 and then at the long run you can go up to 6th.

Brake late entering first corner with 2nd gear then burst gas when exiting the corner, same thing with the second turn brake a little late in 2nd gear and burat gas then dont shift to 3rd until you fully exit the turn.

Breaking late and exiting hard is key here just make sure your opponent at all times outside of your car when taking a corner.

Ex. When you are entering left corner u should be on left and opponent in right, when you are entering right turn your opponent should be on left. This should help you overtake hard and get their position.

Note: With priano's tune I was able to win in first try and I am not a great driver so you guys will most likely win.

I hope this works guys! Good Luck!

Whoa!!! Did you use The 600pp NSX-R LM Road Car for all 3 races ? And yes Priano tunes are one of the best Tuners out there. and did you use a game controller or a wheel ? I will give this a shot tonight. will get back to you to tell you how it all turns out ...

 

[lilcat89]

Did all the events in BMWs. I usually do that anyway though.

Beginner: Z4 M Coupe (486pp)
Intermediate: M4 Coupe (510pp)
Expert: M3 GTR road car (581pp)

I have a feeling that I will be doing the Intermediate race a lot. The combo is perfect for repeating. It took me 3 tries in the Expert race to win, but I enjoyed it. I had to run consistent 1:42s to catch the huayra, speed 12, and the McLaren.

 

[LordDeimos]

There's definitely a lot of AI sandbagging going on in the Intermediate event. I won it with a ~400pp bone stock '82 quattro, then ran a stock Honda Odyssey just for the hell of it and finished fifth. :v Also tried a stock Volvo 240 and finally found a car that couldn't pass anyone; I was mostly running 2:01s and the field kept inching away from me.

Around 400pp with sport mediums seems to be the sweet spot for me at which the outcome is actually in question (though it does depend on the AI field and on the car's handling characteristics); anything much above that and I can win pretty easily as long as I drive a bit defensively to keep the leader behind me once I pass him, and anything under that usually can't quite catch up to the lead car in time (though I've probably at least got a shot at the podium with anything in the 370-400pp range).

 

[HeXaDoN]

Whoa!!! Did you use The 600pp NSX-R LM Road Car for all 3 races ? And yes Priano tunes are one of the best Tuners out there. and did you use a game controller or a wheel ? I will give this a shot tonight. will get back to you to tell you how it all turns out ...

Used NSX with all of the upgrades goes up to 634pp think, then Intermidiete I used fully tuned M3 coupe with 200kb ballast. I used NSX again for beginner with power limiter low.

 

[trustjab]

I donno the exact pp, but heres what I used

Beginner- '95 Suzuki Cappuccino fully tuned (all tuning upgrades)
Intermediate- '07 mazda mx5/miata 920kg (carbon hood, widows, stg 3 body) 260hp (stage 2 engine, semi-race exhaust)
Professional- VW W12 Nardo 1250kg (stg 3 body) 570hp (stock, limited)

Beginner race was most challenging, need to draft and pass on the outside of turns 1-2.

Intermediate was easy to get into first, but tough to defend once past 430 scuderia. The ferrari 599 actually passed him and me but fell back through the esses.

Professional was in between. Passed the McLaren F1 on lap 3 with draft, then caught the Huyara on lap 4. Theyre fast on the straight, but they crash at turn 1 if you pass

 

[johof1234]

Did all 3 in the X-Bow