about the japanese demo

[S13KS]

I just noticed Photomode has hotkeys. Instead of moving the pointer to the camera controls, you can hold the shoulder buttons for instant access: L1 is pan/tilt, L2 is rotate, R1 is location, R2 is altitude.

Oh, and I wrecked really incredibly bad on the Ring. watch

LOL! That rear camera view from the vette looked funny as!

 

[ALPHA]

Oh, and I wrecked really incredibly bad on the Ring. watch

Nice crash! Just how much of a lead did the Viper GTS-R Team Oreca have at the end of the race because in that video it seemed to just take off into the distance!

 

[Sven]

Ugh, I need to kill this time limit, I can only get to about 2/3 of the Ring

btw, has anyone gotten to the Karussel going backwards? I can get one turn away from seeing it, so I bet some über-leet person could actually make it there...

 

[Zarkoff500]

Did anyone else notice that the top speed of the RX8 doesn't seem to be correct? If you turn around on the Ring to do the back straight, I hit about 164-165 MPH. I think the RX8 is good for about 150, but an additional 14-15 MPH?

 

[SaintKamus]

I wasn't that impressed when I first loaded this demo, I guess having played HL2 made me realise how dated GT4 is starting to look (no suprise after all these delays). Although after a while I came back & appreciated the graphics more, after ignoring the some times appalingly low-res textures (Falken dashboard) etc... Anyway...

Its nice to finally try the newer physics engine with something other than the crappy 1 series. Most of the demo cars seem quite easy to drive without assists, except the MR2 which seems abit tempremental with the ol' weight shift The Ring looks the same as the BMW demo, Trial Mountain is a bit nicer but not much different (car still lifts if you hit embankment before main straight) & the Paris track doesn't look as good to me as when I first saw it, not sure why but interestingly the spectators are all silent (Weren't they supposed to cheer?). Its also very apparent whilst racing around the Paris circuit that the spectators repeat, again & again & again, I'd have prefered none rather than that personally.

The car engine noises have very slightly improved outside the car, but somehow they've made the engine noises inside the cars even worse. Some cars you can barely hear at all over the AI cars.

The photomode has obviously had alot of time spent on it, which is a pity since in my view its just a cheap gimmick & a complete waste of time apart from taking a pic or two of your fave car in the final game. Personally I'd have prefered another feature or even 10 more cars.

yep, i can't belive they took time developing that useless mode (photomode). instead of robust online suport, or hell, online suport at all.

 

[Race Idiot]

Nice crash! Just how much of a lead did the Viper GTS-R Team Oreca have at the end of the race because in that video it seemed to just take off into the distance!

That falken Skyline only has like 480bhp, wheras the Viper has 600. So if you let it infront of you on the straights, watch it dissapear into the distance.

 

[Jay]

Oh, and I wrecked really incredibly bad on the Ring. watch

That was a great wreck:tup:


can anyone top that?

 

[8400RPM]

Oh yes! I've had many quality wrecks in that spot too. Also a few turns later after picking up speed again there is another prime spot where you need to slow down while negotiating a gentle curve. More crashing, very fun and challenging!

CAN'T WAIT TO DRIVE THE FULL NORDSCHLEIFE!!!

 

[Race Idiot]

Oh yes! I've had many quality wrecks in that spot too. Also a few turns later after picking up speed again there is another prime spot where you need to slow down while negotiating a gentle curve. More crashing, very fun and challenging!

CAN'T WAIT TO DRIVE THE FULL NORDSCHLEIFE!!!

Is that the bit when your going uphill? and at the crest there is a slight lefthanded turn? I always somehow hit a bump on braking and then basically kill myself.

 

[8400RPM]

I believe that's the one! Imagine what that's like in real life, SCARY!

The turn is called Fuchsrohre, right before Adenauer Forst. Look for the signs.

 

[Race Idiot]

Look for the signs.

Yes, i'll be sure to look for the signs while i'm braking down from 140mph trying to hit the apex and not trying to hit a bump in the road I can't see.

And if I ever get to drive around the ring in real life (someday) i'd probably wuss out and back way off. Well maybe after the first major accident.

 

[ALPHA]

That falken Skyline only has like 480bhp, wheras the Viper has 600. So if you let it infront of you on the straights, watch it dissapear into the distance.

Ugh? 480bhp, is that all? So the AI that has a significant advantage is a challenge?

 

[Race Idiot]

Ugh? 480bhp, is that all? So the AI that has a significant advantage is a challenge?

It's also because i'm still getting used to the physics engine as well though. But yeah, if you give it a chance on the straightaways it pretty much makes you eat it's dust.

 

[bnommensen]

It's also because i'm still getting used to the physics engine as well though. But yeah, if you give it a chance on the straightaways it pretty much makes you eat it's dust.

Therefore in the corners, there is Skyline territory.
4WD and 4W-Steering gets it in front.

Shame on the timlelimit...

At least on the Döttinger Höhe, any lead of the Skyline will be destroyed
by the viper.

But thumbs up for the improved handling in comparison to the
BMW-Version, where you could go over the curbs without penalty.

Do that now, and you can test your force feedback.

 

[MoodyB]

yep, i can't belive they took time developing that useless mode (photomode). instead of robust online suport, or hell, online suport at all.

If you believe whats been written in the interviews, the programming side of online support is finished and working, it's just that Sony's online infrastructure wouldn't be able to cope with the demand that GT4 online would put on it apparently ( which I can believe ). That's why it's been held back for another release.

The other way to look at it is that, so far, GT4 delveopment has cost a rumoured $60-80 million dollars ! ( although you'll find that a lot of the content in GT4 can be reused for the PS3's GT installment ), so knowing how fanatical the GT fanbase is, Sony have decided to recoup some of this by releasing the online version as a seperate product next year. There was also a report somewhere recently that KY didn't want to do Prologue but was put under pressure from Sony to make it ( again possibly to help recoup some of the development costs ).

All just the usual rumours / speculations though....

 

[vipersan]

so is there a way, to order this demo and book and where? To be shipped to me, that is.

tnx.

 

[Buggy Boy]

But thumbs up for the improved handling in comparison to the
BMW-Version, where you could go over the curbs without penalty.

Do that now, and you can test your force feedback.

Are you comparing the BMW 1 with the Falken Skyline now? Or with the roadcars in the demo?

& the Paris track doesn't look as good to me as when I first saw it, not sure why but interestingly the spectators are all silent (Weren't they supposed to cheer?).

Waw

good news, silent spectators! The only track where they cheered in GT4 spinn-offs was Costa di Amalfi and it's awfull.

Its also very apparent whilst racing around the Paris circuit that the spectators repeat, again & again & again, I'd have prefered none rather than that personally.

I agree. It should be possible to turn spectators "off".

 

[Heep]

I'm being driven insane by the horrendous amount of power-on understeer in that Falken Skyline - I want SO badly to be able to tune the suspension settings to work that out, rather than flying into the grass every time I accelerate out of a turn...

The main inherent disadvantage of AWD = power-on understeer, and I hate it. Give me RWD please

 

[SimRaceDriver]

For what it is worth....
There has been a post over on the UK Playstation forum for GT4...that indicates if you pop the demo in your PC, you'll see a track 'directory' and if you browse the folder, you should see 44 tracks with one of them being Le Mans...could someone who actually has the demo cd/dvd confirm this to be true...
If it is true, as indicated, then would this be the confirmation that Le Mans will indeed be included in the final release?

Thanks in advance!

SRD

PS: Here's a copy of the thread regarding this:

1. original post
2. track listings
3. Confirmation Request
4. Demo confirmation confirmed!

 

[tiptopcream]

For what it is worth....
There has been a post over on the UK Playstation forum for GT4...that indicates if you pop the demo in your PC, you'll see a track 'directory' and if you browse the folder, you should see 44 tracks with one of them being Le Mans...could someone who actually has the demo cd/dvd confirm this to be true...
If it is true, as indicated, then would this be the confirmation that Le Mans will indeed be included in the final release?

Thanks in advance!

SRD

PS: Here's a copy of the thread regarding this:

1. original post
2. track listings
3. Confirmation Request
4. Demo confirmation confirmed!

That just seems to be relaying the info VV posted here. I believe VV, so if its there as he says, it will be in the game.

 

[nickmp0wer]

does anyone else think this demo isnt that great?

 

[YZF]

For what it is worth....
There has been a post over on the UK Playstation forum for GT4...that indicates if you pop the demo in your PC, you'll see a track 'directory' and if you browse the folder, you should see 44 tracks with one of them being Le Mans...could someone who actually has the demo cd/dvd confirm this to be true...
If it is true, as indicated, then would this be the confirmation that Le Mans will indeed be included in the final release?

Thanks in advance!

SRD

PS: Here's a copy of the thread regarding this:

1. original post
2. track listings
3. Confirmation Request
4. Demo confirmation confirmed!

No you can't see directory...only compressed files...i guess if you open (somehow) them, then you might see "TRACKS" dir. But i dunno how to extract.

 

[kensei]

I previously said that the tires "never" smoke, even if intentionally drifting. Well I was wrong. I managed to get all 5 cars to "smoke" the tires this moring, though you really have to push them hard to do it.

I'm being driven insane by the horrendous amount of power-on understeer in that Falken Skyline - I want SO badly to be able to tune the suspension settings to work that out, rather than flying into the grass every time I accelerate out of a turn...

The main inherent disadvantage of AWD = power-on understeer, and I hate it. Give me RWD please

You gotta be smooth with the throttle out of the corners with AWD, especially with the new physics engine in this demo. Once I figured that out, and early braking, driving in this demo is beginning to come to me

I will agree with you though give me a RR car anyday, preferebly a Porsche or RUF (surprise, surprise), even an FR car with NO TC. I can't wait to be able to tune and turn off TC!

I have found that the Rx-7 in the demo is a wonderful car to drive. Great gear ratios and decent power, plus even with the damn TC on the tail can be thrown around to adjust apexes. It is fun on all three circuits.

 

[Sven]

CAN'T WAIT TO DRIVE THE FULL NORDSCHLEIFE!!!

Must...kill...time limit!

 

[SaintKamus]

If you believe whats been written in the interviews, the programming side of online support is finished and working, it's just that Sony's online infrastructure wouldn't be able to cope with the demand that GT4 online would put on it apparently ( which I can believe ). That's why it's been held back for another release.

The other way to look at it is that, so far, GT4 delveopment has cost a rumoured $60-80 million dollars ! ( although you'll find that a lot of the content in GT4 can be reused for the PS3's GT installment ), so knowing how fanatical the GT fanbase is, Sony have decided to recoup some of this by releasing the online version as a seperate product next year. There was also a report somewhere recently that KY didn't want to do Prologue but was put under pressure from Sony to make it ( again possibly to help recoup some of the development costs ).

All just the usual rumours / speculations though....

Personaly, i think PD is flat out lying when it comes to the "network challenges". think about it for a minute, blizzard recently released world of warcraft, the game sold a lot more than they anticipated, so they had to put tons of new servers in very few days to meet demand (2 days).
that's right, took them 2 days to put servers that require a LOT more bandwidth than GT4 ever will (reason for this, is that GT4 will only need the server to find games, but not actually send info about the games, the game is peer to peer)
so basicly PD is saying, that in this day and age, there are "Network challenges"?

i just don't buy it, setting up servers with tons of bandwidth it's easier than people belive.
what i really think is, he stands by his original agenda.
he claimed that "lag" ruined the GT4 "experience" and that's what they feared the most (cars would sutter, and it wouln't be "GT" anymore).
all he had to do is use a warning before starting online multiplayer that "lag" may affect the game. and add a few modes for lag free play (such as racing other ghosts, and racing other people AS a ghost, meaning they wouln't be able to crash you, then at the end just compare each person's time to find out who the winer is).
really, there are tons of ways it could've been implemented.

 

[volkavb]

I previously said that the tires "never" smoke, even if intentionally drifting. Well I was wrong. I managed to get all 5 cars to "smoke" the tires this moring, though you really have to push them hard to do it.





You gotta be smooth with the throttle out of the corners with AWD, especially with the new physics engine in this demo. Once I figured that out, and early braking, driving in this demo is beginning to come to me

I will agree with you though give me a RR car anyday, preferebly a Porsche or RUF (surprise, surprise), even an FR car with NO TC. I can't wait to be able to tune and turn off TC!

I have found that the Rx-7 in the demo is a wonderful car to drive. Great gear ratios and decent power, plus even with the damn TC on the tail can be thrown around to adjust apexes. It is fun on all three circuits.

I was surprised by the Falken Skyline's understeering manner aswell, though the stability is great, which must come as a plus when racing this thing for 24 hours around the 'ring...
Has anyone noticed how many bumps there are to be felt in the Falken? Never felt that many in the 1series... tvr's are gonna be soooo much fun!

The RX-7 is nice, and, by the way, exactly as fast as the 120d on similar tyres (at least on the first 6,5kms).

I'm looking forward to giving this supercharged mr2 some more power (when and if gt4 ever arrives), the short wheelbase and mr-layout are fun even now.

 

[TheSquidd]

First of all , WoW hasnt gone WAY over budget like I imagine GT4 has already, so no, putting in high bandwidth new servers may not be a suitable expense for sony now. Also, WoW is going to make tons of money due to the monthly charges for accounts. As well, WoW is an online only game, if the servers didn't support it, there wouldn't be WoW at all, GT4 will be GT4 wether its on or offline. sorry for my bad english I just woke up.

 

[SaintKamus]

First of all , WoW hasnt gone WAY over budget like I imagine GT4 has already, so no, putting in high bandwidth new servers may not be a suitable expense for sony now. Also, WoW is going to make tons of money due to the monthly charges for accounts. As well, WoW is an online only game, if the servers didn't support it, there wouldn't be WoW at all, GT4 will be GT4 wether its on or offline. sorry for my bad english I just woke up.

sorry to say, but you're wrong.
sure WoW is an online game only, but again, the bandiwdth required by each game is on an entirely different level. and you missed the point.
KY claims that there are "network challenges in terms of infrastructure".
it took blizzard TWO days to come up with additional servers, does this mean sony can't do it in 4 years? oh please.

again, the point is, that's not really a valid excuse, because the techonology is there. and it's cheaper than most people are led to belive.
(WoW is a ripoff, just like evry other MMORPG out there, it costs them pennies on the dollar to mantain the servers for each player, so basicly it's all profit)

 

[SaintKamus]

about the time limit... i suppose that the demo on the magazine doesn't have one, can anyone confirm? cause if it's exactly the same demo (minus time limit), then a patch it's not too far on the horizon.

 

[ALPHA]

Come on children we've had this pathetic argument over online mode too many times. SaintKamus I suggest you get over that there is no more online mode for the moment, go find something else to moan about.