Alonso joins Ferrari for £20m a year?

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If someone loses a Championship, who the hell WOULD put on a happy face? I sure as hell wouldn't be all happy happy joy joy if I didn't win the Championship on the final day.
Michael Schumacher last year for one... which I'm sure was an especially tough loss considering it was his last F1 race in his career, and going into the second to last race he pretty much had the championship locked up, but then again, he has seven championships to make up for the loss. :)

I hope Renault are back up there, just for another fantastic open season between more than just two drivers.
I agree, and with the strength of BMW and all the young emerging talented drivers throughout the teams, I suspect and certainly hope we will see a lot more competitive races than before... although this year we did get to see that among the top four drivers from Ferrari and McLaren, where as the last two years it's been a two man race, and the year before that... just one "horse"... the prancing kind. ;)
 
It just sounded like you were suggesting that Hamilton has behaved the same way as Alonso after a loss… which is quite clearly not the case.
My only point is that Hamilton is just as selfish as everyone else on the grid, and we haven't seen the disappointed/angry Hamilton yet, because he's had little to be disappointed or angry about. I want to see how he reacts to randomnly-imposed FIA penalties, or an engine blow-up at a critical time. His China mishap was self-imposed; I want to see how he reacts to things out of his control.
 
What like when Alonso did his pitwork or when the team where part of a major investigation and were found guilty?

I'd say they were quite big things out of his control and he handled it well I'd say.

Fact is after one season as a F1 driver he's up there as the best, some people won't like him due to a) being so succesful so quickly and b) because he's been straight into a top car. Jealousy is a wonderful thing. Hamilton will go from strength to strength, even if he doesn't get the suffice points in Brazil.
 
I'd say they were quite big things out of his control and he handled it well I'd say.
Because he gained pole position in Hungary from Alonso's jackass-ery, and kept his driver's championship intact after the FIA penalty/fine? Those things didn't affect him negatively at all.
 
What Kylehnat is asking is how will Hamilton react when something happens that is out of his control and that directly, adversely (sp) affects his championship hopes - such as an engine failure?
 
Roo
What Kylehnat is asking is how will Hamilton react when something happens that is out of his control and that directly, adversely (sp) affects his championship hopes - such as an engine failure?
Thank you.
 
Perhaps I should've used the PM system... I meant that overarguing a post that wasn't even posted on GTP makes people look bad.

But hey, my fault for posting here and not assuming my post was going to get subsequently nitpicked.

It was posted on GTP. Perhaps not the original, but it was copied here none the less and as such it's fair game for speculation, comment, and disagreement, just like any other article posted or referenced on GTP.

Of course it was going to be nitpicked. It's perfectly reasonable to respond to a post that you disagree with, and when that post makes many detailed points, it gives others many points to make detailed arguments against.

@ Roo / Kylehnat about failures out of a drivers control which adversely affect his championship: How about a critical tyre failure which buries him face first in a tyre wall at a hundred and plenty mph?
 
He was lucky to even race after that, and it didn't take away the possibilty of scoring lots of points that weekend.
 
That's true, and a wet weekend usually throws the form book out of the window. It was mostly down to his inexperienced decision that cost him the points, that said without the accident a race win and 10 more points than what he has now would've been on the cards which is the main point. Had he won that race, he'd be world champion.
 
Right, but it's hard to really think of it like that in July. Of course he knew the lack of points would hurt, but there were still many races ahead.

What happened to Schumacher last year in Japan....that's the type of situation I'm talking about. As the end of the season nears, the stress and pressure rises exponentially. A breakdown in Australia is unlikely to faze any driver.
 
Roo
What Kylehnat is asking is how will Hamilton react when something happens that is out of his control and that directly, adversely (sp) affects his championship hopes - such as an engine failure?

Ah I see, those things mentioned were out of his control, although I did forget he had pole at Hungary...

Apologies Kyle.

Oh and for what it's worth, I think given an engine failure Lewis would be as calm and cool as he is most of the time.
 
Plenty more chances to win the Championship in future is the kind of thing I could see him saying, and what he's shown this year can only get better, especially with more experienced to add.
 
He was lucky to even race after that, and it didn't take away the possibilty of scoring lots of points that weekend.

OK yeah I see what you mean. That incident was actually good fortune for him then. And starting in 10th place (or back of the grid - I forget) had no impact on his chance to score points as apposed to starting on the front row. That's why the drivers are so indifferent to securing a front row starting position.


The specific events that you are referring to (a driver loses the championship to car failure near the end of the season) happen to only a handful of F1 drivers. There's a good chance Hamilton will never in his F1 career be faced with this particular scenario.
 
It happened to Schumacher twice (3 times if you count 1999) - he had a puncture in 1998 in the final round and his engine failure last year. However, with todays cars seemingly bullet-proof, I'd suggest it's less likely to happen. (Although last year's Ferrari seemed bullet-proof, and we all know what happened to that.)
 
The drivers aren't bulletproof. Raikkonen and Alonso have been in championship battles before and they know what it takes to win. No matter what Anthony Hamilton says, Lewis has never been in a championship battle at this level. Formula One is a step up from GP2 by a whole order of magnitude ...
 
Well regardless, certainly seems he thinks he'll be going somewhere else after Brazil

Fernando Alonso reckons that all the signs coming from McLaren at the moment suggest the team does not want him around in 2008.

The Spaniard's future in Formula One remains a topic of hot debate despite both Renault and Ferrari recently saying they have not signed any deals with him.

The rumours, though, still persist with the Bild claiming last week that Alonso had signed a letter of intent to race for Renault starting next season in a three-year deal.

However, that same day a Swiss publication reported that he had in fact signed that same letter of intent with Ferrari.

Futile

But while the rumours continue, McLaren have already said there will be no word on Alonso's future until after they've held talks in the post-season.

Alonso, though, doesn't believe those talks are going to do his McLaren future any good.

"From what they've said and done it doesn't look as though they are very keen and that they've got enough with one of the two drivers that are here," he told the Associated Press. "I've no problem with that," .

"There are another 10 or so teams that are interested in me."

That last line makes me laugh...Fernando can't count? 10 teams on the grid minus the one who he's with and doesn't want him, along with the team who have already said "no chance"...8 Fernando...ocho...
 
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"From what they've said and done it doesn't look as though they are very keen and that they've got enough with one of the two drivers that are here," he told the Associated Press. "I've no problem with that," .

Why on earth would McLaren not want a driver who tried to blackmail them drive for them next year :odd:

- I'm sure that's a talent that most teams want in their multi-billion $ operations.
 
That last line makes me laugh...Fernando can't count? 10 teams on the grid minus the one who he's with and doesn't want him, along with the team who have already said "no chance"...8 Fernando...ocho...
That quote had me grinning as well. Although maybe when he said "There are another 10 or so teams that are interested in me.", he left out that the expressed interest is in seeing him on someone else's team... and watching them have to deal with all the internal team drama and distractions that come with that. ;)
 
In my mind why should Alonso get preferential treatment? If he's real championship quality he should be able to win on equal terms with his teammate or anyone else for that matter. Just because your champion you can't walk into a new team and expect everyone to bow to you, you still have to earn respect with them. Something M.Schumacher seemed to do well.

True Hamilton has had a lot of support and probably more than Alonso for most of the season from Ron Dennis but in a way Alonso did know the history between Hamilton and Dennis and should have expected it and then learned to deal with it. Is that not what a champion should do?

The one thing that has put me off Alonso is that he's spent far to much time kicking up a fuss about his situation and has not knuckled down and performed on track as Hamilton has for most the season. Yes the team probably does have bias towards Hamilton but come on Alonso you pretty much knew this joining a British based team! All Alonso has done is turn the team against himself by his actions when he should have been doing the opposite, perhaps then he would have gained more support from the team and might have begun to get an edge earlier over his inexperienced teammate if he hadn't been so arrogant.

All I hope is that they race each other this weekend and don't end up running into each other and both drivers allow the best man to win on track as it always should be.
 
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All I hope is that they race each other this weekend and don't end up running into each other and both drivers allow the best man to win on track as it always should be.
If they do take each other out, or more likely, Alonso takes Hamilton out, Kimi & Ferrari will be all smiles, as that would practically guarantee the driver's championship for Raikkonen.

I would disagree though that there has been any evidence that Hamilton has been given any advantages over Alonso throughout the season. If anything, I believe the fact that Alonso has been beaten by a rookie on equal grounds is what has driven Alonso to be especially defensive.

In addition, relationships at McLaren never appeared to deteriorate until Alonso started to throw ridiculous accusations around that he was being treated unfairly, and even then Ron Denis claims he continued to try improve relations between Alonso and "the team".

There certainly is far more evidence that McLaren treats their drivers equally than there is that Alonso has been treated unfairly. If anything, it is Alonso's behavior that has alienated him from his own team, not the other way around.
 
I would disagree though that there has been any evidence that Hamilton has been given any advantages over Alonso throughout the season. If anything, I believe the fact that Alonso has been beaten by a rookie on equal grounds is what has driven Alonso to be especially defensive.

In addition, relationships at McLaren never appeared to deteriorate until Alonso started to throw ridiculous accusations around that he was being treated unfairly, and even then Ron Denis claims he continued to try improve relations between Alonso and "the team".

There certainly is far more evidence that McLaren treats their drivers equally than there is that Alonso has been treated unfairly. If anything, it is Alonso's behavior that has alienated him from his own team, not the other way around.

Yes I see your point, McLaren would have been stupid not to have given Alonso, the current world champion all the support he needed along with the need of both drivers to perform to their best to secure the Constructors Title. I'll agree that Alonso has wound himself up due to being caught out by Hamilton's strong performance so early on. I think he has also allowed the close nature of Hamilton's and Ron Dennis' relationship to help fuel the paranoia that he is being unfairly treated within the team where Hamilton has most probably just made better on an equal level of support.

I think I meant to say the team was biased to Hamilton due to his nationality and long ties with them but not in such a way that it ever interfered with the amount support that was given to Alonso.
 
Good points.



BTW: Did anyone watch last night's Windtunnel with Dave Despain? He had a very interesting phone interview with F1 correspondent, Peter Windsor, where he shares his "thoughts" on Alonso's claims of unfairness; on the rumors that Alonso has signed some kind of deal with Renault for 2008 and Ferrari starting in 2009; and finally his thoughts on what happend with the ProDrive F1 team.


Here is the transcript of the interview with Peter Windsor, on Windtunnel with Dave Despain on Oct. 14 @ 9pm (EST):


Dave Despain: Peter, the angle on this story that's getting a lot of attention this week, the fact that the FIA, at the request of the Spanish Motorsport Federation, read that Alonso if you chose, will be sending a special scrutineer if you will to insure that team McLaren gives the two teammates, Hamilton and Alonso an equal opportunity to win the title. Give me an opinion on that rather unprecedented decision.


Peter Windsor: I think it is absolutely ridiculous Dave. In fact, I am embarrassed to be talking with someone who is even remotely involved with Formula One when I hear this is going to happen, I think it is insane. It is completely ludicrous.

I mean, Fernando Alonso has had, if any thing, he has been favored by McLaren all year. He has had the spare car set-up for him every race since the British Grand Prix. Normally McLaren alternate between the two. McLaren has given him a different type of brake all year because he didn't like the brakes that were on the car that Lewis Hamilton has been using.

And his complaint in the last race that in the last final seconds of qualifying when they put on a new set of tires, that the pressures were too high. I mean, even if that was the case, and it was deliberate, which it wasn't, even if it was the case, how would a scrutineer at that point be able to tell him anything any way. What is he going to do, go around with a tire valve and start measuring the air pressures? The whole thing is completely ridiculous.

All it means is that every time Lewis is quicker than Fernando, Fernando just puts up his hands and says "Ah, they must be favoring Lewis! It's impossible that the great Alonso can be slower than Lewis Hamilton." And of course the reality is that Lewis has done a better job, he is better organized, and he is a faster driver.




Dave Despain: Making any prediction about the outcome given all of the above, that would sound like Hamilton should win.


Peter Windsor: I think Kimi Raikkonen and the Ferraris will breeze through it. I mean McLaren are going to be so distracted by this ridiculous Spanish Peter Ustinov type of figure standing in the middle of the McLaren garage saying, "No Lewis, wait until I've examined your car!". It's just insane. I'm just so sad for the McLaren team actually that they have to put up with that.

And remember this is the team that was able to run two equal cars for Prost and Senna, and gave us one of the greatest world championships ever. If any team is capable of running two equal cars it's McLaren, so I don’t even know what they are on about.




Dave Despain: So once the outcome is decided, and I guess we will just have to watch the race, what happens to Alonso. The German press reporting this week that he has already signed a letter of intent with Renault. I don't know if they know that, but they think they know that. What do you think?


Peter Windsor: Well I don't think there is any way McLaren will run him next year, because in the way he has constantly implied the team has led him down. I think because the team hasn't led him down he has an untenable situation there. From his point of view no doubt he thinks he has been the poor cousin all year, and therefore he has to get out that team.

I can't imagine anybody with a brain wanting to employ Alonso for one year. Everybody believes he has already signed for Ferrari for 2009. Who would want to have a driver for one year. You can't really use him until January the first, and after September the first you are using next year's car and you wouldn't want to involve him in anything. You have about a six month shelf life for the guy.

Yeah, I suppose Renault are pretty desperate to have somebody quick and will probably put him in a car, but it's a shame that Fernando has got himself in this position, it's shame that Renault have to do a one year deal, it's a shame he is leaving McLaren, the whole thing is a shame I think.




Dave Despain: The other team McLaren story this week, the relationship with new ProDrive team that was supposed to make its debut next year using McLaren cars under this proposed new rule allowing this arrangement, now the rule is in question, the Concord agreement, basis for all teams participation in this sport, is unsigned. What then becomes of ProDrive? I know it's complicated, but is there a simple answer to that?


Peter Windsor: The simple answer is that they never found the money necessary to do a team. David Richards never wanted to put his hand into his own pocket and design and build a car like any normal person would. He certainly had the finance and the facilities to do that and he tried to take the easy course of action and buy these McLarens, and I think to the benefit of the sport that isn't happening. It would have been great if they had done their own car from day one. I think ProDrive will go back to doing what they do very well, run the rally championship and run rally teams.
 
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