Am I the only person who hates the rallying?

[rapapampam]

I remember the first trailer I saw of GT showing a car smoothly tackling the various corners on the Grand Canyon.

When I completed 200 A-Spec points on Grand Canyon Hard, using the Mitsubishi CZ3 Tarmac road car, I obviously watched the replay and noticed that the EVO Rally car wasn't sliding around the bends and corners, so I switched to the bumper view on the EVO and realised it was taking on the Grand Canyon as if it was tarmac.

The EVO never went into the corners sliding and it covered every apex of the course and then switching back to the cinematic view and viewing how he handles the corners as if on a sunday stroll.

I noticed a lot of the postee's tend to use only Rally Cars in Special Conditions, they are useful and adept (once you get used to the SP) BUT, SERIOUSLY, if there is fun to be had on this discipline, The Nissan Stagea or RS Four, even all the Station wagons/Estate cars are very competent around the big GC.

The key to the special conditions in GT4?

Brake and turn the vehicle before you reach the corner and be smooth about it (adjust throttle or dab brake if drifting wide).

Don't be weary (fearful) when turning the wheel and using the brake (no Handbrake needed).

Sir Richard Burns has left us but, left us the greatest driving simulation.

I totally agree with STIAN, everything feels correct in RBR.

 

[rapapampam]

If you had made this thread a couple of months ago, I would've agreed with you. However, now I disagree. A lot of people who hate the rallies probably just aren't good enough. I, for instance, hated the rallies when the game first came out. However, as months passed, I got some practice with the licensce tests and now I love the rallying. I also found the perfect weapon for myself: the Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac Rally Car. Try it for yourself and tell me what you think.

Although I think that it ought to be a point to point race *sigh* maybe GT5.

The Mitsubishi CZ3 Tarmac Road car is just as good and ESSENTIAL when learning how to combat the Grand Canyon.

I read one post that suggested that the Special Conditions should be placed on a seperate disc. A great idea, hopefully, it should come with rally circuits and events from around the world and 700 rally cars.

 

[Angst72]

I've enjoyed the tarmac races but didn't quite like the gravel and snow races. If it was up to me I'd replace the rally races with hill climb races instead. Point-to-point and it would be drastically different than ordinary circuit racing. I'd think it'd be nice to have this in GT5.

 

[fast fun 2]

I like all the rally races...

 

[Lee Loves GT4]

If you do the races versus the AI then it's very wrecking, you get penalties when the guys hit you and they can drive on as if nothing happened.
PD did an awefull thing with this. This is also a bad thing on the higher difficulty rallies, wich in this case are quite hard to clear.

On the other hand, rallying on your own, for fun, is great to do. No driving aids and a fully tuned Honda Element is not a bad thing to do.
Drifting on snow is really nice to do too.

In arcade mode you can decide yourself if you want the penalties tough, i never use penalties in arcade. This makes it a lot more fun and you can be much more reckless in driving wich also creates an instant fun factor with driving.

This said, PD just did a bad thing in the Simulation Rallying but arcade rallying is good to do, and you can vary with dificulty too to fit your needs.

 

[PeterJB]

I'll admit it can get a bit tedious at times, especially when you have to do 5 laps. but it so much easier to win than normal racing! the AI drive so much slower, they don't appear to know the meaning of the word drift.

 

[KAMKA-Z]

I've pretty much gone from finishing the beginner series to knocking off the special conditions events. While the rallies and ice events can cause great frustration at times, I find the wins more satisfying. I was struggling using the imprezza rally car prototype the other night at Chamonix (medium). I switched over to a mostly stock 04 WRX STI and nailed it with ease. Grand Canyon does take a while to learn for sure. That's definitely the secret to success there.
In watching a replay at Costa de Amalfi, I watched from the AI point of view. The AI smacks the wall numerous times that would have earned me the 5 second penalty. Grrr. Forget your driving ethics here. Anything you can get away with goes.

 

[Sa!!yz~Rage]

My hope is that DP eliminates all forms of 'rally' style racing in GT5. Not because I don't like rally racing, it's because they are soooooo bad and inept at programming anything that even remotely resembles the 'rallying' experience!

Not one single aspect of rally driving even comes close to 'real world' driving in GT4. Nothing! I mean if they had of at least made it stages, that would have been something, but my god it's just hilarious, well not really, it's bloody sad is what it is.

/end rant

 

[Sa!!yz~Rage]

Swiss Alps (Hard)

Using the Impreza 03 (stock) VS the Stratos 77

Using a full throttle start in a straight line, every single time (12 tests) the Stratos will cross over and smash into the Impreza causing the wonderful 5 sec penalty. Even with a 'feathered' start same results.

More proof just how bad this game can be.

 

[TuneRVisioN]

I posted something like that in the "Am I The Only One Who Hates Rallying?" Thread, you should have posted it there, as so as your other rally thread.

 

[Sa!!yz~Rage]

Ya I suppose so...

 

[Famine]

Minor thread merge for the benefit of Sa!!yz~Rage.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

And to truly make a joke out of the rallying... half of the tracks weren't even rally tracks... just normal road tracks or race tracks... tsukuba wet anyone?

Well, considering it's called the Special Conditions Hall (doesn't mention rally at all, I believe) I think that Tsukuba Wet is worthy of being in there.

 

[Fireball27]

Well, considering it's called the Special Conditions Hall (doesn't mention rally at all, I believe) I think that Tsukuba Wet is worthy of being in there.

Not really..

I tried the rallying again recently... just to see if i could have more patience with it. I failed... its just so finicky and.. terrible... Seriously i had to bust out Sega Rally 2 on my Dreamcast to have a decent rally experience

Something i noticed: The Hommel thingymabob is actually, for some reasons, a decent rally car.. just so long as you only give it 204hp, any more and it sucks balls.

 

[Sa!!yz~Rage]

I've taken to making non-rally cars into rally cars just to see if there is some magical combination that gives me a decent car. I like the tracks, I just wish there was a car that could run on them.

If you use the cars in stock config then they do drive better, but the have no chance of beating the AI car... That's what I find.

 

[TuneRVisioN]

Yeah, that is why GT3 rally is more realistic and fun compared to GT4, atleast it was possible to beat the AI when you are in a slightly less powerful car, and have close races too.

 

[ixphant0mxi]

point to point rally
like normal rally's are run on dirt and tarmac or just dirt or tarmac
and for gods sakes fix the stupid non grip sillyness
and if they are gunna put in penaltys do it like normal rally's not cuz the stupid a.i car hits you! thats like just giving the race away to the cpu
and win something other then a rally car if u win whats the point of winning a car that u dont wanna use again cuz the rally and ice racing is too unreal

 

[Zaine2]

I do not enjoy the rallying much, i think it makes a chnage from the normal racing but i do think that is unrealistic in their handling, they slide everywhere!

I have only done easy and normal because i do actually find the hard ones extremely hard sometimes because the car just spins everywhere and i hate the 5 sec penalty!!!!@@@@@@@!!!!!!!!

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Anyway i think they should improve it alot, with point to point rallying:idea:

 

[Sa!!yz~Rage]

Personally if rallying in any way in GT5 resembles GT4 I will abandon the GT game for good. As far as I'm concerned if these nitwits can't put a little more effort into generating a more realistic rally experience, and there really is no excuse, (and I'm calling them on the fact that there is no way they did physics modeling on any rally car, and whoever was involved with creating the rallying portion of the game should be fired, everyone) then I'm not wasting my time and giving them more money. GT5 is one game I will be trying before I buy.

When ever I have to rally to get a car or something, I feel like I should take an anger management course.

 

[rapapampam]

I see your grief sally, there is not much that goes on in SC when considering the types of tracks/circuits and the five sec. pen.
Nonetheless I have found great satisfaction in physical aspect of it. It is your choice to find an aspect of this particular part of the game that is not to your liking as I would have liked to have seen more cars on the circuit while racing and the on/off switch for time pen.
But to consider delaying to purchase because of the rally is....deep.

 

[AyJay]

Wow, alot of opinions here!

I think that the correct driving style is necessary, for example I slam/scrape the back end of the car into walls instead of the front so I dont get that damned penalty. Seriously, If there was damage in GT4, the back half of my Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 Rally Car would be missing . . .

And they teach a bit of car control too i guess. And a section of the game where you're meant to drift!!! and the dust looks more like real smoke too!! I think the penalty is there because otherwise people wouldn't turn at all, just scrape the walls for the entire course. And where's the fun or skill in that?

Although i REALLY REALLY REALLY hated the special licence on the snow course, i mean failing whenever you tap a wall?!?!? GAAAAHH!!

Yes, PD really do NEED to get this aspect of the game up to scratch with the rest of GT, or leave it out maybe . . . and make it so that the AI at least get the penalty as well.

 

[mattman_199]

For anyone who said rallying is cool because your car slides... learn to drift!!! it is very rewarding and heaps cooler than racing any of the special conditions hall.

Rallying...

 

[RO55]

I love it!!!

 

[Mr.ThunderMakeR]

For anyone who said rallying is cool because your car slides... learn to drift!!! it is very rewarding and heaps cooler than racing any of the special conditions hall.

Rallying...

The difference here is drifting in the dirt or snow actually helps you get around the track faster. Drifting on regular pavement serves no puprose except for looking 'cool'.

For those that are claiming the rallying is unrealistic, have you ever driven in an off-road rally? What are you basing your claims off of? I have never rallied in a car, but I take my Jeep Wrangler off-road quite frequently. And I know that at around 30-40 mph it starts sliding around pretty bad in the AZ desert (it has the damage to prove it). And thats with 33" all-terrains, not the tiny little tires they have on rally cars which are also traveling at a LOT higher speeds. Snow and ice is ten times worse.

 

[mattman_199]

The difference here is drifting in the dirt or snow actually helps you get around the track faster. Drifting on regular pavement serves no puprose except for looking 'cool'.

For those that are claiming the rallying is unrealistic, have you ever driven in an off-road rally? What are you basing your claims off of? I have never rallied in a car, but I take my Jeep Wrangler off-road quite frequently. And I know that at around 30-40 mph it starts sliding around pretty bad in the AZ desert (it has the damage to prove it). And thats with 33" all-terrains, not the tiny little tires they have on rally cars which are also traveling at a LOT higher speeds. Snow and ice is ten times worse.

The point you make about using the drift for quicker times is a good one, but it is not a solid reason to enjoy rallying more... because i don't. Plus rally cars don't appeal to me as much as street cars anyway

I know i am not qualified to comment on the comparison between real life rallying and the games physics either... but i am qualified to say that either way, rally mode is annoying and tedious.... and to stick to the point of the thread.... IMO... crap

 

[Hypnotoad]

I love rallying, just not in GT4. I liked it in GT3 but this time it feels like a chore.

I'd have put more P2P's in instead.

 

[jakesmith]

no. i hate it too

 

[suzq044]

I just hate the pentalties; otherwise - i enjoy the rallying quite a bit; I agree though, they could make the Ai handle a bit more realistically. But as far as 'laps' are concerned, I consider it a 'special stage' where you DO have laps, its just a cross-over race, and it's one lap. [like in DiRT]

 

[blackblade]

Just finished all the rally stages and did not enjoy doing it that much, mainly however I suspect because I'm not very good at them.

 

[gdmatt]

Rallying is alright, but I prefer normal racing.
If you don't particularly like rallying, may I suggest that you get the Escudo and then do it, as it will make them much easier (if you can control the bloody thing), and you will get through them quicker.