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It was shoved down our throats. Everything he said about the bill was a lie. Wasn't it Nancy who said "vote for the bill then you can read it"?

It still was legal. You want to impeach a president for doing his job?

And I have nothing else to say to you if you can careless about investigating Biden. The proof is right there unlike a 3 year whitchhunt which lead to nothing against Trump and has provided zero reason for impeachment as far as I'm concerned...

That is to say, if he is investigated, it's ok with me. I'm no particular fan of Joe Biden, but its hard for me to care about Joe Biden that much. Unless you want me to be more partial than that? I mean, one person is the president of the United States who has been credibly been accused of abusing the power of the executive, and the other is a guy in his late 70s.

Edit: "If you do something illegal, is it ok as long as nobody find out?" If you REALLY knew me, you'd know my answer. I've admitted countless times here I'm a felon... ;)

Cool.
 
There goes another waste of tax dollars.
They want to impeach cause they already know they gonna lose in 2020.
I'll remind my friends on the Left-Wing you impeach Trump, you get Pence. Be careful what you wish for. :D
They’ll take 1-year of Pence at best and at least have a much more formal, professional sounding President. I’m sure Pence is probably easier for the Dems to work with as well.
 
They’ll take 1-year of Pence at best and at least have a much more formal, professional sounding President. I’m sure Pence is probably easier for the Dems to work with as well.

Pence has exactly zero charisma. There's not much of a chance he could get things done without some amount of bipartisan cooperation.
 
I was around and paying close attention when Nixon got into trouble. He was going to be impeached, but resigned instead. He knew he couldn't avoid conviction in the Senate, because he had lost his political support. With Trump, it all depends upon his support in the Senate. If he has it, the Dems are wasting their time and maybe blowing their chances in the election. If he doesn't have it, he will resign.
 
Pence has exactly zero charisma. There's not much of a chance he could get things done without some amount of bipartisan cooperation.
True, but what I mean was that I still expect him to come across during a speech as professional, even if it has to be written for him, and stay off Twitter beefs. He probably wouldn’t accomplish much but at least he’d appear Presidential.
 
True, but what I mean was that I still expect him to come across during a speech as professional, even if it has to be written for him, and stay off Twitter beefs. He probably wouldn’t accomplish much but at least he’d appear Presidential.

I could tolerate a Pence presidency I think. Better than the current disaster anyways. (Edit: My perspective doesn't represent the left side of politics, so much as the anyone-but-DT side of politics)
 
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What's even funnier is the transcript hasn't even been released, SO, they are starting ANOTHER witchhunt off hearsay!

But you're the one making accusations. Whether you're for or against Trump in general surely you'd like a proper inquiry into the allegations? That's what's happening. The problem is that Trump's own words on the subject seem pretty damning.
 
But you're the one making accusations. Whether you're for or against Trump in general surely you'd like a proper inquiry into the allegations? That's what's happening. The problem is that Trump's own words on the subject seem pretty damning.
Problem is the Democrats have spent almost the last three years making allegation after allegation and having "proper inquiry after proper inquiry" and comes up with zilch each and every time.
Now here we go again, many people are tired of the liberals yelling wolf and preaching we have the goods this time to every time still waste taxpayer time and money with nothing to show for it other than a penchant they cannot stand that Trump won.
If you believe what the media puts out there anymore that is even worse.
Time for our politicians to spend time working on the issues the taxpayers hired them for not more witch hunts.

Of course all our nations problems for the last half century is Trumps fault according to the Democrats!

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On October 5th, 1998, the House Judiciary Committee voted to launch a congressional impeachment inquiry against President Clinton. Did I miss something? Where was the vote?
 
Some of the Democrats are Soo out of touch it boggles the mind, they want to go into impeachment over political crap that is 100% going to backfire, when they already have a valid reason when it comes to the Saudi's overpaying to stay in Trump Hotels and with that translating to more Weapons deals and Support from the Government.

Why the Democrats are not hammering home how corrupt Trump is with his behind the scenes deals with Foreign governments baffles me, it's a Home run already hit, all you have to do to is run.

My guess is because there is big chunk of Democrat neo Libs that are guilty of the same thing(but on a lesser scale).
 
Some of the Democrats are Soo out of touch it boggles the mind, they want to go into impeachment over political crap that is 100% going to backfire...

IMO, the very first casualty of the impeachment process will be none other than Joe Biden, who is, whatever you think of him, exactly the first person Trump wants to eliminate from his list of potential election challengers.
 
My guess is because there is big chunk of Democrat neo Libs that are guilty of the same thing(but on a lesser scale).

Absolutely and I'm not even sure if it's on a lesser scale. Most politicians are smart enough to no blab about what they're doing behind closed doors. Trump is an idiot that doesn't know how to keep his mouth (or Twitter) in check.

The Saudi thing should be ground for impeachment and if the Ukraine thing turns out to be true, then that's another reason as well. But I'm sure the Democrats are going to attempt to shoehorn in something meaningless into impeachment.

I feel like they should also bring up Trump's numerous, blatant Constitutional violations too which are even a bigger crime in my opinion.
 
This is fun (sorry for the click bait-like tagline there. Judge on Fox news says President has admitted to committing an impeachable crime):

 
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Chance of impeachment is Zero though so long as Republicans have a majority in the Senate so it's a pointless discussion.

Partisan politics at work.
 
Yes but it actually having an effect is on the Senate.

The effect of removal of office is on the Senate.

Presuming that Trump is guilty of bribing the Ukraine to investigate Biden (to help his campaign), if the House doesn't impeach, simply because they assume the republicans will block removal of office, the house has absolutely fallen down on their duties to the American people.

The House has to try to keep some semblance of accountability, even if the Senate will refuse.
 
The comment section of that video is a riot; pity that doesn't embed along with the video and can only be viewed in the external link.
 
Chance of impeachment is Zero though so long as Republicans have a majority in the Senate so it's a pointless discussion.

Partisan politics at work.

If he's found guilty they may not have much of a choice if they want to stay in office themselves.
 
If he's found guilty they may not have much of a choice if they want to stay in office themselves.

I think that if the evidence is as solid as it seems at the moment, that if the House votes to impeach, the Senate will be in a tough spot. You either align yourself with a very unpopular, just impeached, president who is likely to lose in the next general election, or you jump ship and try to stand apart from the sinking ship. That's a genuinely tough call if your only motive is to stay in office (which we know isn't the right motive, but is probably the one they have).

On the one had, you stand a much better chance of surviving the impending Trump implosion. On the other hand, if Trump doesn't implode (which he keeps managing to pull off), its your ship that will sink.

I think the Democrats in the House have no choice but to try to maintain checks and balances with the executive branch and hold to the political process as its intended to work. It aligns well anyway with the reality that's going on, which is Trump vs. the US political structure. But I don't think the democrats really risk their own political careers or a second Trump term by pressing forward with impeachment. And they need to put the squeeze on Senate republicans.

If the republicans circle the wagons on Trump and he loses, we could actually see a blue wave. Which is not really something I want for two reasons. One is that I'd rather see the Senate do the right thing and hold POTUS accountable. I'd much rather that they had scruples than resort to partisan politics. But the other reason is that I actually despise a lot of things the democrats propose, and I don't want to see Warren or Biden get the presidency and all of congress. That could be a real legislative nightmare. I prefer gridlock.
 
I love how NO ONE here is taking about Biden in recorded audio bragging about holding a billion dollars from Ukraine to get what HE wanted...

I hope Biden does not win the presidency. Even if true it's slightly different, because it wasn't done to benefit Biden's campaign. The thing about Trump is, he intentionally makes himself the only thing everyone talks about. If he weren't so... Trump... maybe Biden would get some fallout.

In the end, though, I can't imagine that this helps the Biden campaign.
 
I think that if the evidence is as solid as it seems at the moment, that if the House votes to impeach, the Senate will be in a tough spot. You either align yourself with a very unpopular, just impeached, president who is likely to lose in the next general election, or you jump ship and try to stand apart from the sinking ship. That's a genuinely tough call if your only motive is to stay in office (which we know isn't the right motive, but is probably the one they have).

On the one had, you stand a much better chance of surviving the impending Trump implosion. On the other hand, if Trump doesn't implode (which he keeps managing to pull off), its your ship that will sink.

I think the Democrats in the House have no choice but to try to maintain checks and balances with the executive branch and hold to the political process as its intended to work. It aligns well anyway with the reality that's going on, which is Trump vs. the US political structure. But I don't think the democrats really risk their own political careers or a second Trump term by pressing forward with impeachment. And they need to put the squeeze on Senate republicans.

If the republicans circle the wagons on Trump and he loses, we could actually see a blue wave. Which is not really something I want for two reasons. One is that I'd rather see the Senate do the right thing and hold POTUS accountable. I'd much rather that they had scruples than resort to partisan politics. But the other reason is that I actually despise a lot of things the democrats propose, and I don't want to see Warren or Biden get the presidency and all of congress. That could be a real legislative nightmare. I prefer gridlock.

Sometimes I feel myself rooting for the left due to my deep, deep hatred of DT and then I see a future where the Democrats have a super-majority, a packed supreme court, and the white house. So yeah, gridlock, I'm right there with you. I want to see a real bi-partisan effort to get nothing done.

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I love how NO ONE here is taking about Biden in recorded audio bragging about holding a billion dollars from Ukraine to get what HE wanted...
The progressives have the dual goals of eliminating both Biden and Trump from the scene. ;)
Biden will go soon, and they'll get a feel-good moment of revenge for 2016 when they take the impeachment vote in the House. But will Trump be convicted? It's down to the constituents and lobbyists for the Republican Senators up for reelection. Right now that looks like zero chance.
 
will Trump be convicted? It's down to the constituents and lobbyists for the Republican Senators up for reelection. Right now that looks like zero chance.

Just another opportunity for the republican party to demonstrate a lack of principle.
 
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