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Says you. I have not seen it, why should people like you stop me from seeing it and making my own deciscine?
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People like me? I'm not the HBO. What are "people like me"?
I'm pretty sure the HBO aren't stopping you from watching it, they're just choosing not to show it to you.
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Whatabout Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain?
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Go on then, what about it?
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*gasp*
HBO deleted Gone With The Wind and now Clark Gable is...dead!
One wonders if Song Of The South is accessible on Disney+. Oh, it's not. Cancel Culture strikes again!
Hattie McDaniel was in both and she'll never work in Hollywood again.
HBO deleted Gone With The Wind and now Clark Gable is...dead!
One wonders if Song Of The South is accessible on Disney+. Oh, it's not. Cancel Culture strikes again!
Hattie McDaniel was in both and she'll never work in Hollywood again.
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I personally rather enjoy the adventure of Tom Sawyer, but the story (although fiction) takes place during a time when slavery was happening...
Slavery is bad to say the least, there is no doubt about it...
Does it mean that any piece of art (book, movie, painting) that has some sort of reference (direct or indirect) to that period should be softly banned or taken away from our cultural reference?
Obviously the representation, reproduction or image of such activity could become something hurtful for a particular group...
What should be done about it going forward?
What do you all think?
I personally think we should leave everything as is (no censor), and use that to teach future generations to avoid such mistakes...
That should be part of the Reparations process...
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It isn't up to us what HBO should and shouldn't carry on their service. As a private corporation, it's up to them.
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A private company has made a decision about the service that it provides.
This is like Trumpkins getting triggered over Starbucks putting "Happy Holidays" on the side of their cups. Trumpism, man.
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Stop erasing history!
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Good stuff.
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Explain?
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Blimey, @ryzno, I didn't see that coming!
What we're all looking forward to even more is the day that the other administration officials are able to tell us what really went on in the White House. Just the official version looks mental enough, imagine the behind-the-scenes version.
Twain was a superlatively good writer and Tom Sawyer is a superlatively good book. However, Twain's own views (of their time, as you said) do come through in the writing.
Fortunately the book (and subsequent televisual or cinematic outings) are not going to be destroyed, just like Gone With the Wind is not going to be destroyed (despite @Chrunch Houston's fear that it's already happened).
Some people are saying "I don't want to take part or profit in publishing this". That's free speech and their choice. Like many things Tom Sawyer should be read (really should, it's great) and understood in the context of the era of its writing and setting, and how that compares to a modern society.
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Gone With the Wind is fictional, not historical, and neither it nor history has been erased. A private entity has decided it no longer wishes to use its platform to host this piece of content. Others still retain it. Would you seek to force these private entities to host this content against their will?
That said, I prefer the Warner Brothers approach:
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I'll just leave this here on the subject of books/shows/movies being cancelled.
https://www.wsbradio.com/news/national/cops-series-canceled-after-seasons/Dk2vYHomXoVnKy2cjZtEdN/
https://www.wsbradio.com/news/national/cops-series-canceled-after-seasons/Dk2vYHomXoVnKy2cjZtEdN/
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Gone With The Wind has had its reevaluating critics since the 1970s. Not only for its depiction of the "happy darkies" myth of southern slavery and the "Lost Cause" but also for its depiction of marital rape (Scarlett very clearly tells Rhett no before he overpowers her and carries her upstairs), perpetuating the fallacy that women secretly enjoy it and is therefore an acceptable way for men to treat their spouses or other women.
Like I said, it's been going on since the 70s. That's fifty years now. It's hardly a knee-jerk response thanks to "cancel culture". Seems to me more that people's criticisms are finally being listened to. Would HBO be criticised today for withdrawing Birth Of A Nation?
Like I said, it's been going on since the 70s. That's fifty years now. It's hardly a knee-jerk response thanks to "cancel culture". Seems to me more that people's criticisms are finally being listened to. Would HBO be criticised today for withdrawing Birth Of A Nation?
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It's an odd place. There are several things I absolutely love about it and there are several things I actively dislike about it.
As for what I like, you're right, the landscape is incredible. I can step outside my front door and I'm greeted by Mount Olympus. This is from the spring, but this is what I see every time I walk outside:
I can dig that and it's better than Michigan where all I saw was cornfields. I also like that within four hours I can be to one of five National Parks with some of the most incredible scenery I've ever seen. If I want to go into the mountains to screw around, it's no more than a 30-minute drive up the canyon, which is something I actually do pretty frequently since my little dude likes going around twisty roads. Finally, within two hours I can be on the Bonneville Salt Flats, which is one of my favorite places to go.
As for not scenic things, the economy is strong, crime is relatively low, the people are mostly friendly, the traffic isn't too bad, and the weather is better than Michigan. We still get snow, but it's typically from December through February with the occasional freak snowstorm March-May...and occasional June, like what happened on Sunday.
For what I don't like, as @TexRex mentions, if you drink this isn't the most ideal state. Alcohol is controlled in a weird way and it's extremely expensive. Thankfully, some of the laws are being relaxed and I can now buy 5% ABV beer in the grocery store. Or I can always go to Park City where the alcohol laws are mostly ignored and the state turns a blind eye to it because of tourism. Past that, the LDS Church has its hand in nearly everything. The laws, our elected officials, businesses, and even the food. It's a huge culture shock at first because Utah is essentially a theocracy where a majority of the state does whatever the LDS Church tells them to do. It's starting to change, but it's certainly weird.
As for the food, the food here is...interesting. The Jell-O thing is absolutely true and I've had some concoctions that make no sense what so ever. I mean you ever had green Jell-O with carrots and pretzels in it? Fry sauce is another peculiar thing and it goes on everything. You know when you were a kid and at McDonald's and you just mixed all the condiments together? Ya that's fry sauce with some extra spices throw-in. I find it vile, but people love it. The other thing I've yet to understand is pickle pie, which is exactly what it sounds like. Picture a mixture of pickle relish mixed with an unholy amount of sugar and baked into a pie. It's somewhere between tasting like acid reflux and a sweet hot dog.
It's not to say there isn't good food though. Burgers come with a healthy helping of pastrami on them, which was a game-changer for me. Latin American food is common and I get some killer tacos from the illegal, non-health department inspected taco cart that roams around the city. Navajo culture has also brought some good food too, especially fry bread, which is more or less like a fried pancake with honey and sugar on it. I ate so much of it when I went to the southern part of the state I thought I was going to be sick.
Another thing I hate about here is pollution. During the winter we get inversions and the air quality is terrible. During the winter of 2018-19, we had days where our air quality was worse than Bejing. In the summer it only gets that bad when we have massive fires burning, which has been fairly common the past two years. Thankfully, this is changing and the government finally understands that they need to do something. The big push right now is to have all state employees work from home when the air quality level hits orange. This would be a huge help.
Housing prices are freaking insane. Like I pay around $2,000 a month for my townhouse which isn't anything special. If I wanted a house, I'd need to pony up $750,000 to get something on par with my former $150,000 house back in Michigan.
Finally, the drivers. My god the drivers here are awful. Granted I learned to drive in Michigan which means I learned to drive offensively instead of defensively and to drive way to fast, regardless of the weather condition (85mph in a snowstorm? Bah). But here it's a whole other level of stupid. Running red lights is common, making right turns from the far left lane across three lanes of traffic is not atypical (called the Mormon Swing), and people sitting in the left lane doing 10 under isn't unheard of. I think we rank in the bottom five when the list of the "best drivers" list comes out. I've adapted but my god was it frustrating when I first moved here. BMW drivers do use their turn signals though, so there's that.
Overall, my plan was to live here for five years and then figure something else out. But so far my wife and I don't feel like we want to leave. Ideally, I want to go south, either to Arizona or New Mexico, but given how strong the economy is in Utah, it doesn't make sense to leave. My job pays really well and my wife gets a decent enough salary managing a barbershop. It's also a pretty good place to raise a family since everything is so family-focused.
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Is fry sauce not very similar to prawn cocktail sauce? Two parts ketchup, one part mayonnaise (maybe the ratio is the other way around) is the most basic way of making it yourself and maybe a few pinches of herbs added.
I don't like prawn cocktails because I'm intolerant to seafood but the sauce on its own is really nice with chips french fries.
I don't like prawn cocktails because I'm intolerant to seafood but the sauce on its own is really nice with chips french fries.
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That's cocktail sauce in Europe? Here our cocktail sauce is ketchup, chill sauce, and horseradish.
But yes, the base of fry sauce is one part ketchup, two parts mayo. However, every place has its own unique spin on it and some contain mustard (the weird yellow American kind), pickle relish, sugar, brown sugar, BBQ sauce, and pretty much anything else.
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Yes, and I prefer it to the overwhelmingly awful carrot salad. Actually, that's not fair because it was quite enjoyable for what it is, making it orders of magnitude better than carrot salad.
There's a variation that I see here at pot-lucks which incorporates mini marshmallows. I haven't had it and I suspect it's actually worse due to that addition.
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I believe Americans call it war-sester-shiya, here it's known as wuss-ta-shah
Also try paprika sprinkled on chips (fries). You're welcome
"Chip Spice" is crushed salt and paprika, supposedly invented in Hull. I think the only three things invented in Hull were Lorenzo's Oil, Chip Spice and Syphilis.
Even fish and chip shops put it on the chips there unless you tell them ya durn wonnit.
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Or "crap Hendo's".I believe Americans call it war-sester-shiya, here it's known as wuss-ta-shah
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Definitely. Aleppo pepper is also nice.Also try paprika sprinkled on chips (fries). You're welcome
My ultimate fry condiment is my own*, and consists of mushrooms and shallots sautéed until browned and the moisture has been drawn out, add fresh thyme, brown stock (beef or veal, depending on how indulgent you're feeling) and a dry white wine. Reduce to concentrate and emulsify in small cubes of frozen butter.
You need a sturdy potato for it.
*My own as a fry condiment, that is. There's nothing new there in terms of the concoction.
Sauce andalouse is good; combine mayo and tomato paste or ketchup and minced red peppers. Charred peppers take it up a notch.
worse-stir-sureI believe Americans call it war-sester-shiya, here it's known as wuss-ta-shah
All of which are the American pronunciations of those words.
Pity you don't get a choice when it comes to the Syphilis.
I retain the shire. The alternative strikes me as an omission.
Annie's vegan Worcestershire is great stuff. I honestly don't care that it's vegan; it has a rounder flavor than something like Lea & Perrin's. It's a glutamic bomb derived from mushrooms rather than anchovies.
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