Amy Winehouse is dead !!

[Mike Rotch]

I think instead of posting tasteless "I couldn't care, I though she died 3 years ago posts", rather don't post at all. Show some class people.

I was shocked to see this headline in the paper. She was a gret talent when she was focussed enough to perform, her first album is one of my top 10 favourites. Did she 'throw away' her life - who knows what mental dramas she was going through, but the people she surrounded herself with surely could have done a better job of helping her help herself.

 

[Dennisch]

I think instead of posting tasteless "I couldn't care, I though she died 3 years ago posts", rather don't post at all. Show some class people.

I was shocked to see this headline in the paper. She was a gret talent when she was focussed enough to perform, her first album is one of my top 10 favourites. Did she 'throw away' her life - who knows what mental dramas she was going through, but the people she surrounded herself with surely could have done a better job of helping her help herself.

Why? The whole world saw this coming.

She was a junkie, she had no bounderies what so ever. She refused help, and I believe we are allowed to share our opinion, just because you liked her music, she still was a junkie. Oh and a great musician.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Why?

She was a junkie, she had no bounderies what so ever. She refused help, and I believe we are allowed to share our opinion, just because you liked her music, she still was a junkie. Oh and a great musician.

well someone said what I wanted to say and beat me to it, this is a public forum right? Yet we do get to say what we wish? I mean not to be rude or hate but Dennisch is totally right and for us to create some sensationalism from her death is totally asinine, she had the ability to become even bigger and the money that people in unemployment lines can only dream to give their families in todays horrible economy, yet we should feel bad for her?

 

[Mike Rotch]

well someone said what I wanted to say and beat me to it, this is a public forum right? Yet we do get to say what we wish? I mean not to be rude or hate but Dennisch is totally right and for us to create some sensationalism from her death is totally asinine, she had the ability to become even bigger and the money that people in unemployment lines can only dream to give their families in todays horrible economy, yet we should feel bad for her?

There is a fine line about 'not feeling bad' for someone's predicament and feeling glad about it. And I am not pointing this out "because I liked her music" but rather because she was a human being.

Of course, it is a public forum and you are welcome to your views. People can draw their own conclusions from them.

 

[Dennisch]

There is a fine line about 'not feeling bad' for someone's predicament and feeling glad about it.

Who's feeling glad about it? I only see people reacting who all share the same thought : "The no suprise it happened thought" .

 

[Moot]

she had the ability to become even bigger and the money that people in unemployment lines can only dream to give their families in todays horrible economy, yet we should feel bad for her?

Which is more sad, a family that dies of starvation because they had no access to work but were willing and able to do it.
Or the death of a singer with a troubled mind?
You can kind of argue for both sides, but why should either not be cared for?
I would suggest the death of the singer is more sad as she would have endured more suffering. The family could just have had maybe 20 days or so of suffering of starvation before death from hunger. We know that Amy's life has been troubled since she was a child.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

There is a fine line about 'not feeling bad' for someone's predicament and feeling glad about it. And I am not pointing this out "because I liked her music" but rather because she was a human being.

Of course, it is a public forum and you are welcome to your views. People can draw their own conclusions from them.

It's not like I've built a parade float due to her death, or that her death is like a christmas morning to me. I am just clearly stating that it's hard to feel sorry for a person that didn't bother to jump out of moving traffic, whatever spin you want to give it is fine. Yes she was human, but reality shows what happens when you live that kind of life she did. Now we still dont know if she truely died of drugs yet, but if she did I'm not surprised.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Which is more sad, a family that dies of starvation because they had no access to work but were willing and able to do it.
Or the death of a singer with a troubled mind?
You can kind of argue for both sides, but why should either not be cared for?
I would suggest the death of the singer is more sad as she would have endured more suffering. The family could just have had maybe 20 days or so of suffering of starvation before death from hunger. We know that Amy's life has been troubled since she was a child.

^ This is some of the most asinine logic I've seen...so you're saying we should feel more sorry for a singer, who put herself in the public eye, made it known that she did drugs and really wasn't seeking help? Rather than a family that may be vacated from their home due the father or mother or both losing their jobs to one of the worst economies that U.S. has had in a long time; due to corrupted bank systems and two party heads that are looking to next years election rather than the people losing work? You're serious? Sorry but I think the family is of further importance and doesn't have the money to get help like she had. Don't give me your high horse thought that just cause her childhood was tough that we should feel bad, that is a slap in the face to those people who have overcome situation and didn't fall to rock bottom. Good job

 

[Moot]

It's not like I've built a parade float due to her death, or that her death is like a christmas morning to me. I am just clearly stating that it's hard to feel sorry for a person that didn't bother to jump out of moving traffic, whatever spin you want to give it is fine. Yes she was human, but reality shows what happens when you live that kind of life she did. Now we still dont know if she truely died of drugs yet, but if she did I'm not surprised.

I suppose we can surmise it's hard for you to feel sorry, but not hard for perhaps millions of other people in the world to feel something.
Although I'm not suggesting you are in the minority.
There could be a forum poll for those that like stats.
Is death by drugs not as bad as death by innocent accident?
I think people tend to think things to literally, and not think of what has happened for many years before the drugs were taken, compared to nothing at all happening before a spontaneous freak fatal accident. Who has gone through the most pain?

 

[Submerged]

Which is more sad, a family that dies of starvation because they had no access to work but were willing and able to do it.
Or the death of a singer with a troubled mind?
You can kind of argue for both sides, but why should either not be cared for?
I would suggest the death of the singer is more sad as she would have endured more suffering. The family could just have had maybe 20 days or so of suffering of starvation before death from hunger. We know that Amy's life has been troubled since she was a child.

Look at the pictures before she did drugs. Even before she became famous.

To me, she looks more normal and actually happier.

For the past five years, she hasn't entered my radar. Why? Cos she went totally into the addict lifestyle and disregarded her own self. When someone has disregarded their own self, you know they they are beyond help. She was one of those. She would have eventually killed herself, either through other people encouraging her to take more drugs or alcohol, or because of what she had taken in the past to lead to her current death because of complications of her drugs addiction (either through herself or with other people)

Moot, to me, you seem to actively relish at trolling at people, just because you can. You seem to relish wanting to take the other side of the argument. That's fine, but its kinda odd that you have gone so far out of your way to do so. Everyone KNOWS that Amy Winehouse was due to be heading towards Death's Doorway (so to speak). What right do you have to say that she should have lived longer and that other people were at fault for her to die now? You don't have any right at all. She decided to carry on doing drugs or whatever that led to her death. It was her choice. You cannot absolve an addict of their own choice because of your beliefs. It is against their human rights (even if you see it as the "wrong" decision).

 

[Submerged]

I think people tend to think things to literally, and not think of what has happened for many years before the drugs were taken, compared to nothing at all happening before a spontaneous freak fatal accident. Who has gone through the most pain?

The family that has their child taken away from a freak accident. They would go through INTENSE grief and loss.

The parents of the drug-addled child, while distasteful, would have come to terms with it.

The freak accident one, would NEVER have come to terms with that accident until many years after the event.

 

[Moot]

^ This is some of the most asinine logic I've seen...so you're saying we should feel more sorry for a singer, who put herself in the public eye, made it known that she did drugs and really wasn't seeking help? Rather than a family that may be vacated from their home due the father or mother or both losing their jobs to one of the worst economies that U.S. has had in a long time; due to corrupted bank systems and two party heads that are looking to next years election rather than the people losing work? You're serious? Sorry but I think the family is of further importance and doesn't have the money to get help like she had. Don't give me your high horse thought that just cause her childhood was tough that we should feel bad, that is a slap in the face to those people who have overcome situation and didn't fall to rock bottom. Good job

I see you have understood my logic, just that you disagree with it. But I think you disagree with it because you have not thought of it in on empathic level, or one that can imagine the factors that may cause someone to refuse full treatment. Even if they did use free thought to refuse treatment does not mean they are not suffering.
You can't use an argument of they wanted to die or they are too stupid to be afraid of death etc. to not feel sorry for them, those kinds of qualities deserve even more thought and sympathy.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I suppose we can surmise it's hard for you to feel sorry, but not hard for perhaps millions of other people in the world to feel something.
Although I'm not suggesting you are in the minority.
There could be a forum poll for those that like stats.
Is death by drugs not as bad as death by innocent accident?
I think people tend to think things to literally, and not think of what has happened for many years before the drugs were taken, compared to nothing at all happening before a spontaneous freak fatal accident. Who has gone through the most pain?

No I think about those things and have family that went through horrible times, what you fail to realize is people can be helped and some make it out on their own without help but the strength to never see that life again. She seems to have used drugs as a crutch instead of the music that was making her fans happy. I don't and cant feel sorry because she was given the choice and decided not to get help...

 

[Submerged]

For those who seek help, its always there.

For those who never seek help, it is still always there.

When they die, it is understandable that they have reached the end of their life and they never realised their fragility of life.

That is all.

(talking about young drug addicts)

 

[Moot]

Look at the pictures before she did drugs. Even before she became famous.

To me, she looks more normal and actually happier.

For the past five years, she hasn't entered my radar. Why? Cos she went totally into the addict lifestyle and disregarded her own self. When someone has disregarded their own self, you know they they are beyond help. She was one of those. She would have eventually killed herself, either through other people encouraging her to take more drugs or alcohol, or because of what she had taken in the past to lead to her current death because of complications of her drugs addiction (either through herself or with other people)

Moot, to me, you seem to actively relish at trolling at people, just because you can. You seem to relish wanting to take the other side of the argument. That's fine, but its kinda odd that you have gone so far out of your way to do so. Everyone KNOWS that Amy Winehouse was due to be heading towards Death's Doorway (so to speak). What right do you have to say that she should have lived longer and that other people were at fault for her to die now? You don't have any right at all. She decided to carry on doing drugs or whatever that led to her death. It was her choice. You cannot absolve an addict of their own choice because of your beliefs. It is against their human rights (even if you see it as the "wrong" decision).

Whether she was of sound mind or not when she chose to keep taking drugs, I can feel empathy for her.
And I don't know why you are questioning my right to say things, or my tendency to see other viewpoints.

No I think about those things and have family that went through horrible times, what you fail to realize is people can be helped and some make it out on their own without help but the strength to never see that life again. She seems to have used drugs as a crutch instead of the music that was making her fans happy. I don't and cant feel sorry because she was given the choice and decided not to get help...

For those who seek help, its always there.

For those who never seek help, it is still always there.

When they die, it is understandable that they have reached the end of their life and they never realised their fragility of life.

That is all.

(talking about young drug addicts)

Sigh... but deciding not to get help, is why I feel even more sorry and why others should have helped even more. Someone deciding not to get help, is not a self signed warrant for everyone else to feel "ok I don't have to care any-more, cheers." At that point even more attention needs to be invested.

 

[PeterJB]

Whether she was of sound mind or not when she chose to keep taking drugs, I can feel empathy for her.
And I don't know why you are questioning my right to say things, or my tendency to see other viewpoints.

Thats fair enough if you want to feel sympathy for her, as it is a death at a very young age. However, it is entirely her fault. It is quite easy to avoid drugs altogether, if you have a strong enough will power, or just some common sense.

 

[Dan_]

Saying that it was expected would be repetitive as everyone already pointed out, however I must say I feel sad for the fans, she was undoubtely a talented musician and will be missed. R.I.P. Amy, another one to join the 27 club.

Ummm... how old is Justin Bieber? 💡

 

[PeterJB]

16. Not quite there

 

[Submerged]

Sigh... but deciding not to get help, is why I feel even more sorry and why others should have helped even more. Someone deciding not to get help, is not a self signed warrant for everyone else to feel "ok I don't have to care any-more, cheers." At that point even more attention needs to be invested.

How would you do "even more attention" to this person?

"More attention" means more nannying. All you are going to do is to seriously annoy the person you are supposed to "nanny" and lead them into more drug use or whatever.

Even in more unpredictable behaviours.

I know what you mean about paying more attention to "at risk" people, but the fact is, if they do not want to be helped, nor do they look for help, nowadays, you have to leave them as it is. It sounds stupid. But this is life nowadays.

 

[mastretta_mx]

16. Not quite there

So, Does that mean at least another decade of Justin Bibier for all humanity? hopefully world's ending comes next year

 

[PeterJB]

So, Does that mean at least another decade of Justin Bibier for all humanity? hopefully world's ending comes next year

I doubt his music will last that long. Too mainstream.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Winehouse is dead?

Well, as callous as this sounds, I have to say it - I'm not heartbroken.

 

[Moot]

Thats fair enough if you want to feel sympathy for her, as it is a death at a very young age. However, it is entirely her fault. It is quite easy to avoid drugs altogether, if you have a strong enough will power, or just some common sense.

...
Some people commit suicide without ever trying drugs, some may try out drugs as a means of escape while staying alive. There could be many reasons why Amy took drugs. We don't know. But if she was perfect and fine and just had little will power and no common sense does not make her deserve a diminished appraisal of her death..
Why attribute a fault score to peoples deaths?
Anyway you don't blame people as having fault for low will power and common sense.
Imagine a classroom in junior school, the teacher says "well looking at the tests and exams we did last week it appears Amy got the lowest score on Will Power and Common sense, I'm afraid if she dies in the future as an adult, if she gets that far!, it will be her own fault, so class, don't give to much of a fig when she does pop her clogs".
The class laughs. This is the tone and thinking people are giving when they say it was Amy's fault.
Either through mental health or simple learning difficulty she had it coming, her life is not worth as much as somebody who was luckier and more clever at school and had better parents.

 

[Villain]

I think instead of posting tasteless "I couldn't care, I though she died 3 years ago posts", rather don't post at all. Show some class people.

Winehouse is dead?

Well, as callous as this sounds, I have to say it - I'm not heartbroken.

Only on GTP...


Anyways, I did make a joke at her expense so I'm no better. I'm not happy she died, but when the sad truth behind my joke is that she might as well have been dead for three years. She was living a sick life and no one seemed to be able to help her. I don't know about her inner circles, but I do know that she had stints in rehab facilities and even professional help wasn't enough. It's tragic to see such a modern talent disappear, but there are worse things happening in the world today. People (including the media) seem to care more about her than the murders in Scadinavia.

 

[ZeGermanBastorD]

... Did she 'throw away' her life - who knows what mental dramas she was going through, but the people she surrounded herself with surely could have done a better job of helping her help herself.

The thing is, you can't babysit a 27 old adult woman with too much money. She had enough money to travel all the time around the world, from one drug party to the next. What she surely did.

Putting her in a drug therapy for 3 month + house arrest like Britney Spears doesn't work, because she's a adult. And we are not in America.

She had to get her 🤬 out of the 🤬 by herself, at least far enough to get one’s act together. Mission: FAILED

 

[Moot]

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Anyways, I did make a joke at her expense so I'm no better. I'm not happy she died, but when the sad truth behind my joke is that she might as well have been dead for three years. She was living a sick life and no one seemed to be able to help her. I don't know about her inner circles, but I do know that she had stints in rehab facilities and even professional help wasn't enough. It's tragic to see such a modern talent disappear, but there are worse things happening in the world today. People (including the media) seem to care more about her than the murders in Scadinavia.

Media/News is not about what's important or what's worse etc. It's about what's interesting (to a demographic). And instead of taking the risk that the story they chose is not the most interesting, they will make sure it is by using budget and production techniques, if they still fail they quickly change the story to something else or other breaking news.
There should be a 24 hour live mocking the news channel. A bit like the content of Charlie Brooker, but with his own team and million pound budget.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

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To be fair, I didn't actually see Mike's post when I wrote that. I've never liked Winehouse; she glamourised substance abuse. And if her lyrics are anything to go by, she rejected any attempt to help her. Why should I feel sympathy for someone who repeatedly threw her life away, when ninety people died in Norway yesterday? Or when the UN has declared a famine on the Horn of Africa in the worst drought in sixty years? There are bigger issues out there than one singer who repeatedly embarrassed herself and was then found dead. If it weren't for the fact that she was a performer, this wouldn't even be reported anywhere outside local newspapers.

People (including the media) seem to care more about her than the murders in Scadinavia.

And that, I think, is the real tragedy here. Ninety people died yesterday for no reason at all. And yet, Amy Winehouse - who pretty much built a career on the fact that she was a substance abuser - gets more attention.

 

[Moot]

To be fair, I didn't actually see Mike's post when I wrote that. I've never liked Winehouse; she glamourised substance abuse. And if her lyrics are anything to go by, she rejected any attempt to help her. Why should I feel sympathy for someone who repeatedly threw her life away, when ninety people died in Norway yesterday? Or when the UN has declared a famine on the Horn of Africa in the worst drought in sixty years? There are bigger issues out there than one singer who repeatedly embarrassed herself and was then found dead. If it weren't for the fact that she was a performer, this wouldn't even be reported anywhere outside local newspapers.


And that, I think, is the real tragedy here. Ninety people died yesterday for no reason at all. And yet, Amy Winehouse - who pretty much built a career on the fact that she was a substance abuser - gets more attention.

As I say it's interesting rather than high up on the scale of international importance.
Statistically the numbers are in her favour, a guaranteed number of millions who have heard of her. And perhaps only 1 person in the whole of the UK that knew anybody of the hundred people that died in Norway, a different country not that close to UK.
I don't know what the World press is doing about both stories, as I'm just a consumer of UK output.

 

[Crispy]

Well, its a sad thing that she passed. Didn't really think it would happen today. Just every other day, just not today. Here's what I posted on Facebook, should sum up my thoughts fairly well.

"Well, a great artist passed away today. Amy Winehouse. I really didn't expect to wake up today thinking that she would be found dead, but it shouldn't really be surprising. But we must not forget the thousands who also died in Norway just this week, so RIP to all."

 

[Mike Rotch]

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Mod's are entitled to their own opinions as posters, dare one say, even conflicting ones 💡 What's the drama?