[Archive] Gran Turismo World Series Thread

[bloodyboyblue]

probably 1 minute for any compound not used.

I prefer this type of strategy to the fuelsave/short shift type - let us run flat out.

I like a mix of both. The history of GTS shows PD like to swing to either an extreme of fuel saving or tire saving. It’d be nice to have some of each each season along with some flat out sprints.

 

[MikeU64]

Now you have to wonder if qualifying would count as tire usage...ie qualifying on med compound racing on hard and soft

 

[Mercia]

Now you have to wonder if qualifying would count as tire usage...ie qualifying on med compound racing on hard and soft

Doubtful since it never has before. Adding a third compound shouldn't affect that.

 

[watto79]

Interesting……..going to a crazy race I think, but great too.

Wonder how many people will pick up time penalties for just running 1 or 2 compounds? And do you get double penalty for running 1 compound only….?

It's a 60s penalty if you don't follow the mandatory tyre rules. So you won't get 2 time penalties. Either you followed the rules or you didn't kind of approach.

Now you have to wonder if qualifying would count as tire usage...ie qualifying on med compound racing on hard and soft

Qualifying doesn’t count towards mandatory tyre usage.

 

[Fezzik]

It's a 60s penalty if you don't follow the mandatory tyre rules. So you won't get 2 time penalties. Either you followed the rules or you didn't kind of approach.

Qualifying doesn’t count towards mandatory tyre usage.

so you can ignore the slowest compound(s), take the minute penalty minus the pitstop time, and probably make up the difference with some quicker laps?

 

[Roggers]

It's a 60s penalty if you don't follow the mandatory tyre rules. So you won't get 2 time penalties. Either you followed the rules or you didn't kind of approach.

Qualifying doesn’t count towards mandatory tyre usage.

Ok. So let’s say the average pit stop time is 35-40 seconds and you make two stops to comply with the rules. This means you lose about 1.15 in the pits. I use hards all race but don’t have to stop and finish 1.16 ahead of you but then get 1min penalty to then finish 1 second ahead you, is that then fair?

Depending on tyre wear I can see this been abused and people gaining positions for not pitting.

 

[watto79]

so you can ignore the slowest compound(s), take the minute penalty minus the pitstop time, and probably make up the difference with some quicker laps?

I don't know specifically for Watkins Glen but the time loss for pitting tends to be around 20 seconds. So if you can make soft tyres at x4 wear last for 16 laps and average nearly 2 seconds a lap faster (for all 16 laps) then maybe yes.

In GT7 racing soft tyres have a much steeper 'cliff edge' than in GT Sport, so once partially worn they lose a load of pace.

If you 1 stop on softs and mediums you've still got to find 60s of race time over people who are in theory only 20s behind you. It's not going to work.

Funnily enough there was a Manufacturers race in GTSport when skipping the mandatory tyre rule was faster. The penalty was only 20 seconds back then though, which is why its 60 seconds now.

 

[Hasnain282]

Ok. So let’s say the average pit stop time is 35-40 seconds and you make two stops to comply with the rules. This means you lose about 1.15 in the pits. I use hards all race but don’t have to stop and finish 1.16 ahead of you but then get 1min penalty to then finish 1 second ahead you, is that then fair?

Depending on tyre wear I can see this been abused and people gaining positions for not pitting.

When they first brought in mandatory tyres, the penalty was only 20s and yes it was abused
Whether it's fair or not is subjective but it's the same for everyone and it's on the people organising to not allow this sort of thing to be possible

 

[watto79]

Ok. So let’s say the average pit stop time is 35-40 seconds and you make two stops to comply with the rules. This means you lose about 1.15 in the pits. I use hards all race but don’t have to stop and finish 1.16 ahead of you but then get 1min penalty to then finish 1 second ahead you, is that then fair?

Depending on tyre wear I can see this been abused and people gaining positions for not pitting.

We need to know what the pit stop time is, but usually its closer to half what you suggest. You also need to account for being slower all race on hard tyres, when others will have faster stints when on softs and mediums.

 

[Fezzik]

There’s a simple solution - don’t follow the rules, DQ.

 

[Roggers]

When they first brought in mandatory tyres, the penalty was only 20s and yes it was abused
Whether it's fair or not is subjective but it's the same for everyone and it's on the people organising to not allow this sort of thing to be possible

20 seconds? No wonder it was abused.

We need to know what the pit stop time is, but usually its closer to half what you suggest. You also need to account for being slower all race on hard tyres, when others will have faster stints when on softs and mediums.

I totally understand my scenario is probably never going to happen and yes if it just a tyre stop in the race it’s about 20 seconds I would have thought.


Also that pit lane entry is tight and also on the apex of the final corner. Can see a lot of penalties been dished out on this.

 

[MikeU64]

Comfort tire on a group B car.....a waste of 1700 credits for the tires that there is no way you would need for a rally car

 

[Nebuc72]

Comfort tire on a group B car.....a waste of 1700 credits for the tires that there is no way you would need for a rally car

1700 credits!? Your balance must be ruined after such a heavy expenditure. Do you have a GoFundMe we can donate credits to?

 

[Fezzik]

Also that pit lane entry is tight and also on the apex of the final corner. Can see a lot of penalties been dished out on this.

I got a penalty in the new WTC 800 for cutting the lines on entry. Guess you have to stay tight all the way round the final corner. Right on the racing line, better hope anyone behind is paying attention or it’ll be constant shunts.

 

[GTWolverine]

Comfort tire on a group B car.....a waste of 1700 credits for the tires that there is no way you would need for a rally car

With the "rental" option you can get all of that without spending any credits. That's what I've done for literally every Nation's race I've attempted this season. Since I already have Gr.B cars and in the grand scheme of things 1700 credits is a tiny amount to spend, I decided I'm likely going to use a car from my garage this time around (if I have time to make a livery for it).

 

[MikeU64]

1700 credits!? Your balance must be ruined after such a heavy expenditure. Do you have a GoFundMe we can donate credits to?

I'll set one up

 

[Cherryturbo]

Nonsense race today. GrB, race track, comfort tyres.

What possibly could go wrong?

 

[Fezzik]

Nonsense race today. GrB, race track, comfort tyres.

What possibly could go wrong?

I did some practise last night, had to mute the TV. Constant screeching of the tyres was doing my head in. Don’t think I can put up with 15 laps of it, never mind all the inevitable crashes. Sitting this one out.

 

[OJBrit]

Nonsense race today. GrB, race track, comfort tyres.

What possibly could go wrong?

Sitting this one out by choice. Hate the new Alsasce circuit. Stupid choice for GrB too. If it was the Village variants, then it would be ace.

 

[Roggers]

I’m like a few of you and racing in this. The carnage of Race A the other week when they tested this put me off this race. I know that had No DR/SR, but I think it will have the same issue of people just knocking each other of track and power sliding into you and using you as brake.

 

[Nebuc72]

Hahaha I was struggling in the manu cup practice for ages, setting like 1:45s and wondering why I was so slow - turns out I had misread the "required tyre type" as the mandatory one, and so was practicing using the mediums instead of softs.

Pulled off a 1:43.834 in the F-Type now which is a lot more digestible.

As for this nations cup.... eesh is about all I have to say for it. I found it about as fun to race as it looks like it would be. Came 11th in the first attempt so I'll probably give it another go to see if I can improve it, but I'm not too fussed about sitting it out if this one goes badly too. It's really not that fun.

 

[MCL1974]

Is it my imagination or have the physics changed after the last update? Practicing for Daytona today and the cars feels a bit easier to handle....but i am suddenly so much slower then earlier this week. i am almost a second slower in a lap, can not find the speed anymore no matter what i do....

Also; the new method of looking behind you is absolutely horrible when driving with the chasecam. Its is unusable now, when you try to look behind you the camera is all over the place, and that means the car will be too. So i can chose between knowing what is going on behind you and go of track or not knowing and then getting punted.

Think i will pass on Daytona, lost my mojo a bit....

 

[Nebuc72]

Is it my imagination or have the physics changed after the last update? Practicing for Daytona today and the cars feels a bit easier to handle....but i am suddenly so much slower then earlier this week. i am almost a second slower in a lap, can not find the speed anymore no matter what i do....

Also; the new method of looking behind you is absolutely horrible when driving with the chasecam. Its is unusable now, when you try to look behind you the camera is all over the place, and that means the car will be too. So i can chose between knowing what is going on behind you and go of track or not knowing and then getting punted.

Think i will pass on Daytona, lost my mojo a bit....

Isn't there a button to look behind you directly? Does that not function as it used to before whilst in chase cam?

 

[MCL1974]

Isn't there a button to look behind you directly? Does that not function as it used to before whilst in chase cam?

you are right, I did not think of that. Offcourse you can chance the controller settings. Duh, silly me!
So now I changed the circle button and it now serves as my rearview. Think i will get used to that quickly. handbrake is now R1. Thanks!

now if I can just find my pace again.....

 

[Sarajevo89]

This race is huge ****show, that's all I'm gonna say. Using other cars as brakes, divebombing, punting...all without any notion of penalty. That's the standard here.

Also, good chance there was a Russian cheater in my race. I mean, yes he had terrible connection but he was teleporting all over the place. In replay, it looks like he's spinning out but actually he teleports 2 places in front seconds later.

 

[GrmlMaster]

Did not look forward to Nations today, but gave it a try anyway. For fun I used my Ford, was the only one beside 2 Toyotas and lots lots of Subarus.
Got shoved out of the way until i was 8th at the end.

Well, once is more than enough …

 

[DK]

It's a one-and-done for me. I didn't make things easy for myself, as I picked the NSX that I won from the Type R Cafe Menu instead of checking the leaderboards. I wound up qualifying 12th, about 1.3 seconds off pole.

After dodging the chaos at turns 1, 2, 3 and 4, I climbed as high as 4th by the end of the 5th lap thanks to being able to brake in a straight(-ish) line into T2 and being out of firing range of anyone who didn't.

Unfortunately, the Subarus behind me started getting their acts together, and I duly fell down the order, and I wound up 10th with 2 corners to go. I gained 9th thanks to someone ahead losing at penalty roulette, and held onto that to score 103 points.

I had a sensible chuckle when I noticed that every car ahead of me had the default livery, I wish there was a straightforward way of sharing my screenshot. 😅

 

[bloodyboyblue]

I could happily race tonight’s combo every night for the rest of my life. So much fun.

Qualified 5th and finished 4th in the only Genesis against 15 WRXes for 193 points. Very clean race at the front as has been the usual this season. 2nd 3rd and 4th went 3 wide into the big right hander on the final lap, I came out on the worst end of it but we all made it out alive, fantastic racing.



I wish we could get an entire series just with Comfort tires.

 

[GTWolverine]

Slot 1:
Perfectly matched my FP time in qualifying to start P10 in Top Split, only to be shuffled down to last place by the end of Lap 1 thanks to people (mainly 1 person in particular who very much lived up to his PSN ID...) using me as a brake. I managed to rebound to P12 at the end, but had the pace for at least 9th. Even so, it might not have mattered anyway because I needed 7th in the race to improve upon my lowest score.

Slot 2:
Slot 2 started with a delayed qualifying session until the person holding it up finally disconnected. In FP before this slot, I'd managed to shave over another tenth off my best time. I couldn't match it in qualifying again, but I still went faster than my qualifying attempt in Slot 1, and started P4 of 12. Predictably, the over-aggressive driver that kept running into me the previous race was way too aggressive at the "Corkscrew Clone" and went side-by-side with another car directly in front of me, only for them to both run wide and allow me to inherit 2nd, which I kept for the rest of the race in spite of pressure from 3rd place for the entire race. On the final lap, I got the braking into T2 wrong and allowed 3rd to stick a nose in. We wound up going through "Corkscrew Clone" side-by-side as well, with me pinned on the inside. I had to slow down to give him room on the outside, but he still went wide and lost just enough momentum to allow me to retake 2nd, which is where I finished. To my surprise, it was also worth 302 points, making it my best score in Nation's this season! It also now means that all 3 of my counted scores came from 2nd-place finishes.

 

[csmirnoff]

GrB at Alsace... usually rally cars are not my type of combo, but I decided to try it with a rental WRX, and to be honest, the car was fun to drive. Very slidy but at the same time, very easy to control. Missed the first two slots, but managed to do some laps in TT before the third one, getting in the high 49s.

CSA Slot 3, either 2nd split or a low-rated top split (not sure, since BernalV was there, and won). Qualified P6. Start of the race was a big mess of bumper cars. I had to go full opposite lock several times only to keep it facing the right direction and avoid being spun around. Lost places even to the guy who started last in those first few corners, but recovered to P9 as many guys picked up 5 sec penalties for causing the issues.

Gained a couple of places and it seemed I would finish P7, until a guy I passed kept using me as a brake, passing me then outbraking himself, I would get in front again, before the same thing happened again, and again... Until the last lap, when he didn't even slow down for the final corner, just pushed me off, and I ended up finishing P9, with the dirty guy finishing in P7. When I told him he was dirty, he said "I was not defending well..." Yeah, sure mate... Decided to go again.

CSA Slot 4, mixed grid, not sure if it was drop split thanks to the mess in the previous slot or if it was all the remaining GT1 drivers... although it ended up being an ok-rated split, worth 237 points. Qualified P5 on a 49.9. Luckily, this one was clean for me, other than being bumped from behind into the car ahead into T1, but no penalties or positions lost there for anyone. I continued in P5 until lap 3, when this time I was the lucky beneficiary from dirty driving. The Brazilian and Mexican ahead of me, started hitting each other intentionally on the straight after T1... and ended up taking each other out. Not the way I like gaining positions, but... I guess I'll take them.

Now up to P3, I didn't have the pace to close the gap to the guys ahead, but I luckily managed to pull away from everyone behind, as they started fighting. Ended up with a gap of over 7 secs to P4 by the end of the race, so I was basically on my own for the remaining 12 laps.

3rd place in the end, and a first podium of the season (and since this is my first season in GT7, my first one in GT7). 218 points, which is more than I probably expected from this combo. Can't complain.

Edit: After seeing the results on the GTWS webpage, my race in slot 3 was definitely top split, as the 283 winning points from BernalV in that race were actually top of the region. And I don't think the race in slot 4 was drop split, I think participation was so low that even a B-rated driver got into top split.