Australian Formula 1 Grand Prix 2009

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i really don't know... this whole KERS thing is confusing me... only ferrari, mclaren, and one renault are using it... and out of those 5 cars, only 1 finished. coincidence? i agree that it helps, but only the teams with the big budgets are using it, to apparently no real effect on the track. We'll see how it helps at sepang with the two really long straights.
 
i really don't know... this whole KERS thing is confusing me... only ferrari, mclaren, and one renault are using it... and out of those 5 cars, only 1 finished. coincidence? i agree that it helps, but only the teams with the big budgets are using it, to apparently no real effect on the track. We'll see how it helps at sepang with the two really long straights.

Yes, it was a coincidence. Kovalainen, Raikkonen, Massa and Piquet (who also had KERS, along with Heidfeld BTW) failed to finish and those were due to non-KERS related incidents.
 
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That race was almost as exciting as Motogp has been for a long time. Why did it take so long?? And it quite obvious the F1 drivers weren't use to passing.
 
GPUpdate
Let Trulli through', McLaren told Hamilton

30 March 2009 / Results / Photos

Lewis Hamilton has explained that his team instructed him to allow Jarno Trulli to repass him during the Australian Grand Prix on Sunday. Trulli, who finished third at the end of the race, was handed a 25-second penalty for passing the McLaren under safety car conditions on the penultimate lap of the race.



The confusion between the two drivers began at the end of lap 56, when the safety car had been deployed follow the collision between Sebastian Vettel and Robert Kubica. Trulli - running third - overshot at Turn 15, skipping across the grass as Hamilton passed the Totota which, inturn, retook his position behind the safety car, claiming that the the World Champion's McLaren slowed and moved off the racing line, as if with a technical problem.

With Trulli devastated over the loss of his third place, Hamilton gave his view of events to SpeedTV: "I was behind Trulli under the safety car, and clearly you're not allowed to overtake under the safety car but he went off in the second to last corner - he went wide on the grass, I guess his tyres were cold. I slowed down as much as I could, but was forced to go by. I was then told to let him back past, but I don't know if that's in the regulations and, if it isn't, I should really have had third on the road."

Lewis has earned some of my respect, disclosing that statement.
 
Lewis has earned some of my respect, disclosing that statement.

So in light of that, why doesnt common-sense prevail and give Trulli forth place. Clearly it was an unusual occurrence that had both drivers and both teams confused. Rules are there for the protection of the drivers and in the interest of fair play. Neither Hamilton passing Trulli or Trulli passing Hamilton was dangerous and it is not fair to deny Trulli his five championship points after what was a good drive.

This doesnt bowed well for the rest of the season, only one race completed and already IMO two bad decisions. The second one being giving Vettel a ten place grid drop in Malaysia for driving with a damaged wheel, yes it was dangerous, and yes he should have pulled up, but I dont think Schmacer got a penalty in Monaco a few years back when he drove from the tunnel to the pits in a similar position. I think the 50,000 dollar fine on the team was enough to stop anyone from attempting that again.
 
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Vettel got the 10 place grid penalty for Kubica not giving him any room and driving him off the road.
 
Vettel got the 10 place grid penalty for Kubica not giving him any room and driving him off the road.

I was under the impression that nothing was done about that and that the penalty was just for the 3 wheel driving? I'm probably wrong sorry if I am, thought I read that though.
 
From Gpupdate
Vettel will start the Malaysian Grand Prix ten slots down from where he qualifies next weekend as a result of the initial incident with Kubica, and his Red Bull Racing team also picks up a fine of $50,000 for advising their driver to continue running
 
If I was in charge of F1 Trulli would get his 3rd place back since it was a misunderstanding and not any attempt to gain position whilst behind the Safety Car and Vettel would get the $50,000 fine for continuing with a damaged car but he would not receive a penalty for a 50-50 racing incident.
 
From Gpupdate
Vettel will start the Malaysian Grand Prix ten slots down from where he qualifies next weekend as a result of the initial incident with Kubica, and his Red Bull Racing team also picks up a fine of $50,000 for advising their driver to continue running

Thanks for clearing that up, must have misread the report, my fault, I'll edit my other post to show that too.
Vettel must have lifted off the brakes after we seen him hit them from on board with Kubica, the stewards would of had the telemetry to show that, so if that was the case then the incident wasnt 50-50, which I suspect was the case, or he wouldnt have been so apologetic, although Kubica did turn in a bit too much.

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If I was in charge of F1 Trulli would get his 3rd place back since it was a misunderstanding and not any attempt to gain position whilst behind the Safety Car and Vettel would get the $50,000 fine for continuing with a damaged car but he would not receive a penalty for a 50-50 racing incident.

I agree with you slightly, yes it was a misunderstanding but Hamilton fully deserved to pass Trulli for 3rd, so I think Hamilton should get 3rd and Trulli 4th. BTW I'm not much of a Hamilton fan.
 
I agree with you slightly, yes it was a misunderstanding but Hamilton fully deserved to pass Trulli for 3rd, so I think Hamilton should get 3rd and Trulli 4th. BTW I'm not much of a Hamilton fan.

Agreed, as much as some of us don't like seeing Toyota so hard done by in what should be a good season for them, it is in the rules and Trulli was wrong to overtake Hamilton again.
 
Good race, disappointng ending. Great job by Brawn finishing 1-2. Great drive by Hamilton. It seemed like half the field ended bieng out towards the end of the race. Hopefully the rest of the season can keep up the surprises of this first race.
 
Lewis has earned some of my respect, disclosing that statement.

Here's what Trulli had to say:

www.formula1.com
"I can't say how disappointed I am to finish third but have the result questioned," he said. "When the safety car came out towards the end of the race Lewis passed me but soon after he suddenly slowed down and pulled over to the side of the road. I thought he had a problem so I overtook him as there was nothing else I could do."

Seems like Mclaren saw a good opportunity for a podium there. You can't take actions agaisnt Mclaren playing it smart, but it really was confusing as Lewis would've an obstacle as well due to him slowing down, making Trulli re-pass Hamilton.

What a weird situation, too bad for Toyota, they had an awesome race, but I'm pretty sure they have the pace to score another finish like this in the season 👍
 
But surely if lewis just stayed there he'd have had a podium anyway?
 
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"I can't say how disappointed I am to finish third but have the result questioned," he said. "When the safety car came out towards the end of the race Lewis passed me but soon after he suddenly slowed down and pulled over to the side of the road. I thought he had a problem so I overtook him as there was nothing else I could do."
From what Trulli says, Hamilton must have passed him fair and square or else he would be complaining about that too. So why didn't Trulli let him back through when he realised that Hamilton wasn't having a problem? Why didn't the team tell him to let Hamilton back through? 4th is better than nowhere after all.
 
Trulli went wide and I think Hamilton passed him there, only for Lewis to slow and give the place back.
 
I think he meant cool as in 'consistently cool'. I think there were some very processional races last year, like Australia.

Yeah, like Australia, when only 7 cars finished, and one of those disqualified?

Yes, we had Valencia and Barcelona on the dull side - but we also had Singapore, Spa, Fuji, Brazil, Monza, Bahrain and Hockenheim.

i really don't know... this whole KERS thing is confusing me... only ferrari, mclaren, and one renault are using it... and out of those 5 cars, only 1 finished. coincidence? i agree that it helps, but only the teams with the big budgets are using it, to apparently no real effect on the track. We'll see how it helps at sepang with the two really long straights.

Two Ferraris, two McLarens, two Renaults and a BMW - that's 7.

It proved itself to be a major strategic advantage when battling another car. Alonso was over a second per lap slower than Glock, yet managed to stay ahead through most of the race. Hamilton and Raikkonen blasted past whatever they wanted whenever they were faster. Alonso's complaints may come from the fact that while it has it's uses, it's not exactly the "miracle cure" he needs or wants.

Vettel got the 10 place grid penalty for Kubica not giving him any room and driving him off the road.

Please, can we leave personal driver-preferences outside? Imagine the same situation reversed, and be honest - would you then still blame Vettel?

Kubica was on the very outside when they clashed - he had a wheel on the rumble-strips. Vettel had space, and drove too wide for the space he had. Lets look at the proceedings:



Side-by-side through the apex, Kubica exits half a car-length ahead. Vettel bumps Kubica's sidepod, Kubica enters a spin. That spin puts Kubica's front wheel and wing in the path of Vettel's, as both of them drive to the right - Vettel to avoid further impact, Kubica because he's in a spin (note: With the wheels pointed towards a correction).
Now, where does Kubica exactly "drive him off the road"?

If I was in charge of F1 Trulli would get his 3rd place back since it was a misunderstanding and not any attempt to gain position whilst behind the Safety Car.

^ Exactly that. Hamilton was instructed to slow down and let Trulli past - that's nothing Trulli could've known. Hamilton deserves some respect for saying this, too.

There's a 10-car-length rule under safety-car driving: Neither driver could afford to, say, completely stop and let the other recover. Hamilton was right in overtaking Trulli - but once told to slow down, Trulli was correct to re-overtake. Both drivers acted perfectly.

But surely if lewis just stayed there he'd have had a podium anyway?

With the risk of a penalty.
 
Ah, I thought when Trulli went off with all the other cars behind him, that that was the problem, I've never seen the off-going beofre that 👍

I still think it was a piece of Mclaren strategy though; Trulli goes off and Lewis passes, Mclaren instruct Lewis to slow down ahead of Trulli, Trulli thinks "the chap's got a problem", and so does perhaps Toyota and Trulli passes again while still under SC conditions.

Smart, very smart.
 
I think you got caught out by the funnies ;).

I doubt that, and if it is indeed a funny, then it's again too well-disguised.

Ah, I thought when Trulli went off with all the other cars behind him, that that was the problem, I've never seen the off-going beofre that 👍

I still think it was a piece of Mclaren strategy though; Trulli goes off and Lewis passes, Mclaren instruct Lewis to slow down ahead of Trulli, Trulli thinks "the chap's got a problem", and so does perhaps Toyota and Trulli passes again while still under SC conditions.

Smart, very smart.

But that still leaves Trulli in the clear. Any proper, fair appeal will succeed if McLaren instructed Lewis to slow down and let Jarno past.

It might've been just a precaution by the McLaren guys after the Spa debacle - but it still leaves both drivers blameless.
 
Toyota appealled, but as we all know from the Spa case, 25 second penalties that substitute drive-throughs aren't "appealable" (does this word exist?)

Anyway, according to F1 Live Toyota tried to go around this by apealling to the "local clerk of the course". Who/what is this? the Race Director? someone from the FIA? Could any of the english native speakers (or other knowledgeable members) enlighten me about this "clerk" person?


Source: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090330160152.shtml
 
I haven't been able to find anything that says what happened to Massa's car. I just know what I saw on the race, he slowed and made it to the pits and then was out of the race.
 
Didn't select the starting-procedure correctly, and the car hit anti-stall. Alternatively:

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On Massa:

autosport.com
Q. You said before the season started that reliability could be the important factor this season. What is your reaction after today?

Stefano Domenicali: I was right! First of all, with regard to Felipe we had an upright that was broken on the left hand side. So, it is a mechanical failure. We do not yet understand what has happened.
 
What about Ruben's start? Was he talking on the phone or something?

Didn't you watch the coverage? Rubens even said when he met with Jenson "my anti-stall kicked in...."

Also, those fastest lap times show the Brawn's were holding back some pace in the race, definitely some Brawn strategy in there, preserving the engines and the chassis. Possibly also a clever way to avoid the diffusers being made illegal? If the Brawn's had lapped the field alike to McLaren 1998, the diffusers row most certainly would have exploded, but this way, it makes it seem like the Brawns are beatable.

I suppose we shall see if the diffusers appeal is defeated, after that there would be no reason to do this.
 
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