Australian Formula 1 Grand Prix 2009

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Ardius
Didn't you watch the coverage? Rubens even said when he met with Jenson "my anti-stall kicked in...."

Also, those fastest lap times show the Brawn's were holding back some pace in the race, definitely some Brawn strategy in there, preserving the engines and the chassis. Possibly also a clever way to avoid the diffusers being made illegal? If the Brawn's had lapped the field alike to McLaren 1998, the diffusers row most certainly would have exploded, but this way, it makes it seem like the Brawns are beatable.

I suppose we shall see if the diffusers appeal is defeated, after that there would be no reason to do this.
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I heard no mention of the diffuser debacle still going on during the race coverage. I believe that issue is done and over with.
 
Stefano Domenicali: I was right! First of all, with regard to Felipe we had an upright that was broken on the left hand side. So, it is a mechanical failure. We do not yet understand what has happened.
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Now, it may be late and past my bed time, but surely they do understand what happened, as he just described it?
 
Keef
I heard no mention of the diffuser debacle still going on during the race coverage. I believe that issue is done and over with.
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The appeals will be heard on April 14.

Sureboss
Now, it may be late and past my bed time, but surely they do understand what happened, as he just described it?
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He probably meant why or what happened before it broke.
 
ROAD_DOGG33J
Not everyone watches the same coverage. ;)
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True, but this was just before the podium ceremony.....and everyone is given the same TV feed for these parts of the race.

Keef
I heard no mention of the diffuser debacle still going on during the race coverage. I believe that issue is done and over with.
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I never said it was part of the race coverage, that comment was about Ruben's bad start.
 
Ardius
True, but this was just before the podium ceremony.....and everyone is given the same TV feed for these parts of the race.
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I went to bed with about 15 laps to go. It was past four in the morning and I was very tired. But thanks for the info. 👍

Fortunately Malaysia GP will start at 6 AM over here, so I'll be able to sleep before the race.
 
Metar
There's a 10-car-length rule under safety-car driving: Neither driver could afford to, say, completely stop and let the other recover. Hamilton was right in overtaking Trulli - but once told to slow down, Trulli was correct to re-overtake. Both drivers acted perfectly.
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True. They did what they both thought was necessary and legal.

Metar
With the risk of a penalty.
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Which is the whole crux of the matter.

Those who think this was some sort of insanely fiendish strategy by McLaren to give Hamilton the podium and get Trulli knocked down... ask yourselves... for what?

Hamilton already had third place... fair and square. Trulli wasn't significantly quicker than Hamilton... in fact, not really any quicker at all, and with KERS, Hamilton could defend against him till kingdom-come, without danger of losing the position.

But after the spate of senseless penalties (mixed in with a number of deserved penalties) heaped on Hamilton last year, McLaren wanted to make sure that the stewards would have absolutely nothing to say about his driving in this incident, and wisely told him to cede the position... just in case. Trulli didn't know that. Which was unfortunate, but McLaren were trying to avoid a penalty, rather than cause one.

But if there were, say, a steward in the pits and McLaren had gotten word that "Yessir, that's all right. The man went off...", I'm pretty sure we'd have seen Hamilton on the podium.

And he would then get a 25 second penalty after the race... :lol:
 
niky
Trulli wasn't significantly quicker than Hamilton... in fact, not really any quicker at all,
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Eh, yes he was. I don't know about you, but I saw a Trulli flying away from Hamilton once Fisico got out of the way...
 
Agreed. In clean air Trulli was quicker. The Toyota is quick this year. It's a shame that the team is its own worst enemy!
 
Well, think about it. Both Trulli and Glock started at the back and worked their way up into the top 8. If Trulli hadn't passed under the safety car, he would have gotten 3rd or 4th. That's a great showing. Malaysia should be good from the toyotas.
 
So, let me get this straight:

If Trulli passed Hamilton forcefully, he broke the rules.

If Hamilton let Trulli pass, there's no 'overtaking' to speak of, since the position was willingly returned to him. Therefore, McLaren made a foolish decision, and Trulli should not be punishable. And, given how Hamilton is known for changing his mind and saying something, then something else different (Like when we knew he told his boss to 🤬 off at Hungaroring '07), I bet he was told to let him pass, told so to the press, and later realized he shouldn't have let them know such a thing - Since it would logically give Trulli his position back.

I mean, it's like running behind the SC and dropping a few positions, just to accuse the rest of overtaking him. It would make as much sense. Am I right?
 
I read somewhere else that the issue is no longer race-positions, overtakings, SC, etc.

The issue is: did Hamilton lie to the stewards in the post-race enquiry that led to them issuing the 25 seconds penalty to Trulli? What did he answer them when asked if he had pulled over to allow Trulli to pass or if it was Trulli that got his position back?

Now, it seems very stupid to lie about something that can be verified simply by hearing the radio comunications between team and driver.

Unless these communications are coded and when they want to mean "Let Trulli pass" they actually say "Toyota Corolla" or something like that :dopey:
 
Hun200kmh
Unless these communications are coded and when they want to mean "Let Trulli pass" they actually say "Toyota Corolla" or something like that :dopey:
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"Toyota Corolla" is actually code word for "Boring Drive"...

On topic: Technically, the book says in these situations you can't appeal, but it doesn't say the FIA can't open it back up themselves. If they do this, it'll be further proof that they're pulling all the stops to divide the FOTA, as I'm sure McLaren is not gonna take such action sitting.
 
Mclaren told Hamilton to let Trulli by, it is (was?) even written on their website for all to see. I have no idea why Trulli was even punished. If Mclaren went to the stewards seeking a penalty, thats entrapment and Mclaren should be punished and Trulli reinstated. If it was the stewards that started the investigation themsleves, Trulli should be reinstated. Thats not the big deal now though. If Hamilton really did lie, he himself should be DQd. That shouldnt be tolerated.

The stewards really did mess up though, this all should have been dealt withy earlier and Trulli never punished.
 
SagarisGTB
If Hamilton really did lie, he himself should be DQd. That shouldnt be tolerated.
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The thing is that I don't think this is covered in the rule book, probably because this is common sense and just good sportsmanship. From the articles I've read about it, it's pretty unclear as to whether Hamilton told the stewards one thing and then owned up to be not entirely truthful about the situation afterwards, or whether Hamilton told the stewards one thing and then the stewards found out about McLaren's instructions from another source, like the team itself. All the likes of GP Update are reporting is that Hamilton admitted to McLaren issuing orders, which could be interpreted as applying to either situation. If Hamilton owned up to lying, then while he should still be punished for it, he shouldn't be punished as severely as if he lied and then stewards found out about it from someone else.

So far, I've been to keep my feelings towards Hamilton out of this, but I honestly can't see him walking away from this with any points at all, largely because any time penalty given to him would move him down the order due to the race inishing under safety car conditions. At the end of the day, lying to the stewars - if true - simply wasn't worth it. He was running fourth in a car that he'd struggled to qualify fourteenth. Was it really worth one championship point? The number on the nose of his car implies that he's the best driver in the world; surely he would have been able to reclaim that point elsewhere in the season?
 
Why does this begin to sound like a conspiracy by the stewards to screw Hamilton? Just when Mclaren does what it thinks is necessaery to avoid repeating Spa, here we go again. I stopped believing anything the stewards say after Spa and Fuji (I still don't understand that).
 
So if Hamilton lied for whatever reason and unfairly gained a position for it, he should just go unpunished? He admitted that he said one thing when another happened!

I've said it a thousand times, and I'll probably say it a thousand more, but there is no conspiracy. Hamilton is still pretty young compared to some of the other drivers in terms of his Grand Prix career, and despite what James Allen and ITV have told you for the past two seasons, he does actually make mistakes. Thestewards aren't trying to screw him over; why would they?
 
Do you race?
So if Hamilton lied for whatever reason and unfairly gained a position for it, he should just go unpunished? He admitted that he said one thing when another happened!
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I didn't say he should go unpunished(and I'm still not sure what he exactly said), I said its looks like something is wrong.

Do you race?
I've said it a thousand times, and I'll probably say it a thousand more, but there is no conspiracy. Hamilton is still pretty young compared to some of the other drivers in terms of his Grand Prix career, and despite what James Allen and ITV have told you for the past two seasons, he does actually make mistakes. Thestewards aren't trying to screw him over; why would they?
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I haven't watched F1 on ITV so I didn't hear James Allen endlessly praising Hamilton like he can do no wrong(at least according to what alot of you are saying). I'm also not saying Hamilton doesn't make mistakes(I'd be idiot to say or imply that after what happened in canada), I just find anything hard to listen to from them after what happened on some questionable calls.
 
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Do you race?
So if Hamilton lied for whatever reason and unfairly gained a position for it, he should just go unpunished? He admitted that he said one thing when another happened!
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He lied? From all we've seen so far, he stated he let Trulli past...
 
Metar
He lied? From all we've seen so far, he stated he let Trulli past...
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Operative term being "if". That's what he's been summond to the stewards for: what he said happened is entirely different to what actually went down. Hamilton claims he pulled over and let Trulli through for one reason - something about being distracted by a message on his readout - but the stewars have found McLaren told him to do so:

Hamilton summoned by stewards over Trulli pass
01 April 2009

The FIA has announced that it is to review its decision to penalise Toyota's Jarno Trulli in last Sunday's Australian Grand Prix, by calling Lewis Hamilton to the stewards' office in Malaysia. The Italian driver lost third place and six points when handed with a 25-second time penalty for passing the McLaren under safety car conditions in the dying minutes of the race.

The incident began shortly after the deployment of the second and last safety car of the race, as Trulli ran off the track at Turn 15. He duly re-passed the McLaren, with the safety car still circulating, to retake the third position, for which the FIA imposed the penalty later in the evening. A twist in the story occurred, however, when Hamilton admitted that his team called for him to let the Toyota driver retake his podium position, with Trulli claiming that the McLaren slowed and moved off line, as if retiring from the race.

It has now emerged, however, that the World Champion explained to race stewards in Australia that he did not deliberately yield to the Toyota, despite seemingly telling SpeedTV the opposite just minutes before. "I was behind Trulli under the safety car, and clearly you're not allowed to overtake under the safety car," Hamilton explained before seeing the stewards. "But Trulli went off in the second to last corner - he went onto the grass, I guess his tyres were cold. I was forced to go by. I slowed down as much as I could but I was told to let him back past, but I don't know if that's the regulations and, if it isn't, then I should have really had third."

The governing body has also received a copy of McLaren's radio communications from the race, which was not available to race stewards on Sunday night. It is now looking more likely that - if Hamilton is judged to have changed his story - Trulli will reclaim his podium finish, and could mean the Englishman finishes further down the order taking his original fourth position.
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Taken on its own, this could just be an Aprl Fools Day joke. But GP Update aren't the only ons reporting it: Reuters, The BBC, Yahoo! and Autosport - to name a few - are all reporting it.
 
If indeed, but from your writing (and that of others before), it sounded like he was already guilty of some heinous crime...
 

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