Australian Formula 1 Grand Prix 2009
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Blake
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- haswell00
Its legal and always has been. Theres no such thing as the spirit of the rules. Theyre technical regulations, so your car is either technically legal or technically illegal. The spirit of the rules is a cop out used by the teams who didnt think of that solution.
Anyway, go Button. 👍
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- Camboriu - Braz
- FASJ6418
wow, what a pleasent surprise. I loved the final grid, shame Rubens didn't make it to pole... maybe he's heavier.
I'm also glad Massa didn't sucked and at least stayed in front of Kimi.
Vettel and Kubica, wow, they are my favorites for the race. Didnd't expected that from RBR.
I'm also glad Massa didn't sucked and at least stayed in front of Kimi.
Vettel and Kubica, wow, they are my favorites for the race. Didnd't expected that from RBR.
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- NapoleonMikey
well if hes so mediocre then why was the guy able to get pole with a car that has gone thru the FIA inspection process and come out clean. clearly saying any driver in F1 is mediocre is stupid. if they where so mediocre they would still be in GP2 of F3 or what ever feeder program they came from.
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- GTP_hellnback
Positive vibes from the 1st qualifying of the year... should be interesting once other teams get the lets call it the 'clever' diffuser.
KERS... what a waste of time... they said it previously, not that the 'idea' sucks, just FIA didn't consult on what would be good.
Is it just me but if that front wing was a little narrower (half way to front tyre), it'd make all the difference to how these things look.
Can't wait to race, although 8 people are over to watch it on my 106" screen
KERS... what a waste of time... they said it previously, not that the 'idea' sucks, just FIA didn't consult on what would be good.
Is it just me but if that front wing was a little narrower (half way to front tyre), it'd make all the difference to how these things look.
Can't wait to race, although 8 people are over to watch it on my 106" screen
Smallhorses
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That's the first F1 qualifying session I've watched in years, and it was a great spectacle! 👍
An excellent debut for a "Virgin" team, Ross Brawn has done a marvellous job, and let's hope this isn't a flash-in-the-pan!
Not such a great debut for the lauded KERS systems though!
Had to
at the mumbled apology for Sir Richard's "colourful" language!
An excellent debut for a "Virgin" team, Ross Brawn has done a marvellous job, and let's hope this isn't a flash-in-the-pan!
Not such a great debut for the lauded KERS systems though!
Had to
at the mumbled apology for Sir Richard's "colourful" language!
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- Hammerhead Garage
What did he say? I tured it off shortly after the Q3 results were in because I had to be somewhere else (dinner). Still, a bloody fantastic session it was; hell, I even watched the practice session for the first time in years. I'm more excited about Formula One than I have been in years; I probably say it each time the Australian Grand Prix rolls around to the point here I sound like a broken record, but it still rings true. Tomorrow's race will be interesting to say the least, with so little time dividing the cars (ecept maybe Brawn).
However, I'm really losing respect for Red Bull Racing, probably because they were so quick yet made themselves out to be hard done-by in filing their protests. It reeks of the team trying to get the diffuers banned so they can be more competitive.
Also, I've decided the Australian commentators aren't worth listening to. They're not as bad as James Allen, but only just. They kept referring to the "Diffuser Three" and saying it was the name used by the entire paddock, but I think they're the only ones who I heard use the term all day.
However, I'm really losing respect for Red Bull Racing, probably because they were so quick yet made themselves out to be hard done-by in filing their protests. It reeks of the team trying to get the diffuers banned so they can be more competitive.
Also, I've decided the Australian commentators aren't worth listening to. They're not as bad as James Allen, but only just. They kept referring to the "Diffuser Three" and saying it was the name used by the entire paddock, but I think they're the only ones who I heard use the term all day.
Smallhorses
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Having been told he'd once again got the Midas Touch, Sir Richard described himself as "...basically I'm a lucky bastard!" before realising that the TV cameras were on!
It's usually OK to use that word (and worse) on English TV as long as it's after the 9PM watershed, but at 7AM a quick apology was made!
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- Hammerhead Garage
Yeah, that sounds like Branson. He always struck me as being such a down-to-earth guy. I loved the reactions when Button and Barichello took pole and second; Ross Brawn had a poker face to rival Daniel Craig in CASINO ROYALE, but Branson looked like a kid for whom Christmas had come early. He has said that Virgin may increase their sponsorship over the next month or so if the team lives up to expectations, and I can easily see more red being added to Brawn's cars; particularly on the front wing, nose and sidepods under the black-and-yellow lines. I think that would look quite good, and would leave plenty of space on the engine cowling for other sponsors. Because luck has very little to do with it; Branson is very, very savvy. This is obviously something he's been considering for a while now, and he's just been waiting for his chance to add the name Virgin to Formula One. He just wanted to wait for the opportune moment, and I don't think he could have found a better one.Having been told he'd once again got the Midas Touch, Sir Richard described himself as "...basically I'm a lucky bastard!" before realising that the TV cameras were on!
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- Antti-san
- Antti San88
Ditto! Brawn GP did a great job. I'm looking forward to the race tomorrow.
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im more surprised about vettel... had trouble all weekend long and got 3rd..... vettel is going to be epic with the right aero package.... im going to look forward to his success in the next few years... vettel might even be a champion this year if he keeps it up... the top teams are getting in their crates of diffusers so its only time till the competition is even again and not trying to be all sneaky by getting through with loop holes. props to brawn though....
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- GTP_Soundtrack
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Hopefully we dont see another rule clarimodification (see FIA dictionary
) on these. Werent those new regulation partially intended for some renewal of the hierarchy after all?I can see why a smaller team running 2 virgins dressed in white and monopolizing front row on their very first race must annoy a lot of people. I bet well see those same people jumping on similar diffuser design once theyll have reach procedures dry-out.
Go Barrichello! (if you ask me)
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- Hammerhead Garage
Acually there was a pretty interesting bit of specualtion going on amongst some of the commentators that may actually hold true. They pointed out that when the FIA looked to changed the rules for 2009 by consulting the teams on how to go about implementing new aerodynamic regulations, Williams, Toyota and the then-Honda outfit were not a part of the consultancy process. As such, they got passed the new set of rules and regulations once it was finalised and then went off and interpreted it as they saw fit. It actually sounds like a pretty reasonable explanation to me.
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- bramturismo
Wow, I was astonished when I read the news over at formula1.com earlier today. Looks like they'll be kicking ass tomorrow when everything goes right.
I was a little bit dissapointed by Williams and Toyota though. From their practise speed I was hoping for these three teams to posess the top spots on the row, but it seems that very light drivers are seperating them, so I'm still having my fingers crossed.
So what do you guys think, will the three best practise teams, BrawnGP, Williams and Toyota, come out strongest in the race? Or are we in for a surprise?
Go Barrichello, Rosberg and Glock!
I was a little bit dissapointed by Williams and Toyota though. From their practise speed I was hoping for these three teams to posess the top spots on the row, but it seems that very light drivers are seperating them, so I'm still having my fingers crossed.
So what do you guys think, will the three best practise teams, BrawnGP, Williams and Toyota, come out strongest in the race? Or are we in for a surprise?
Go Barrichello, Rosberg and Glock!
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- Hammerhead Garage
Starting tomorrow, Lewis Hamilton will be showing us how not to launch a defence of a world title: he's been demoted to twentieth and last place on the grid:
One has to wonder what they're playing at: waiting until the last moment to change the gearbox so they could have a fresh one in the race? Sure, changing it earlier would have resulted in a penalty, but it also would have given Hamilton another shot at setting a better time, nd thus starting higher up the order than he currently is.
Linky
One has to wonder what they're playing at: waiting until the last moment to change the gearbox so they could have a fresh one in the race? Sure, changing it earlier would have resulted in a penalty, but it also would have given Hamilton another shot at setting a better time, nd thus starting higher up the order than he currently is.
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- AlexGibbo27
It gets better and better
My 4 drivers didnt have the best possible session:
Vettel: good stuff, 3rd
Alonso: dissapointing
Bourdais: very very dissapointing
Massa: unfortunate but I think he can do well in the race
I will be cheering on the Brawns tommorow, it will be great to see them do well, but I for sure want Vettel to win 👍
My 4 drivers didnt have the best possible session:
Vettel: good stuff, 3rd
Alonso: dissapointing
Bourdais: very very dissapointing
Massa: unfortunate but I think he can do well in the race
I will be cheering on the Brawns tommorow, it will be great to see them do well, but I for sure want Vettel to win 👍
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- J-PaP
I never got any indication that there was any previously known problem with the gearbox prior to qualifying? I'm pretty sure the problem occurred at the end of Q1.
Short of reliability problems I don't see any teams beating BGP.
Anybody think any teams will be adopting any part upgrades for next week?
Short of reliability problems I don't see any teams beating BGP.
Anybody think any teams will be adopting any part upgrades for next week?
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They said that changes aren't just that simple... the diffuser is normally tied in some way to the back suspension and more importantly consequently to 'crash certification', and with 2009 regs limiting testing... I guess it's a biggie... Friday running has now taken on a whole new perspective...
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Yeah, it has to do with the suspension array and the positioning of the gearbox. You don't simply design a new diffuser and switch it for the old one: you're constrained by the rest of the car tha you have to work around.
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- J-PaP
Would the teams have been so arrogant as to not develop anything incase they couldn't make the diffusers illegal? Maybe they don't have anything tested yet but the second the teams saw BGP do what they did in testing they must have been working on something that same day. From the telecast I heard the team most likely to have issues adopting a different diffuser design is the Red bull cars due to their differing suspension.
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- AlexGibbo27
Well, here's the controversy ladies and gents
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74008
Toyota excluded from qualifying classification due to flexible wings
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74008
Toyota excluded from qualifying classification due to flexible wings
AutosportToyota duo excluded from qualifying
By Jonathan Noble Saturday, March 28th 2009, 10:45 GMT
Timo Glock and Jarno Trulli have been stripped of their grid positions for the Australian Grand Prix for a flexible wing infringement.
Glock had qualified sixth on the grid, with Jarno Trulli two places further behind, for their Toyota team at Albert Park.
However, following post-qualifying technical inspections by the FIA, it was found that the team's rear wing elements were in breach of the rules.
A statement issued by the FIA said: "The Stewards have received a report from the Technical Delegate that the upper rear wing elements of cars No. 9 and 10 are showing extreme flexibility in contravention of Article 3.15 of the 2009 Formula One Technical Regulations.
"The Stewards have heard the explanation from a representative of Panasonic Toyota Racing and have examined the cars in question.
"The Stewards concur with the opinion of the Technical Delegate and find the cars contravene the requirements of Article 3.15 of the 2009 Formula One Technical Regulations.
"It is the Stewards decision that cars number 9 and 10 be excluded from the Qualifying Session Official Classification."
Article 3.15 of the technical regulations states that wings must not have 'any degree of freedom' and 'remain immobile in relation to the sprung part of the car.'
The results mean that Trulli and Glock will start the race from the back of the grid.
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- GTP_Famine
That was impressive.
BGP set 1-2 times. Can you beat that guys?
(5 minutes pass)
BGP set new 1-2 times by 0.3s. Okay, can you beat that guys?
(5 minutes pass)
BGP set new 1-2 times by 0.3s. Okay, can you beat that guys?
And so on until they're front row.
That's quite an impressive car (provisionally until April 15th).
BGP set 1-2 times. Can you beat that guys?
(5 minutes pass)
BGP set new 1-2 times by 0.3s. Okay, can you beat that guys?
(5 minutes pass)
BGP set new 1-2 times by 0.3s. Okay, can you beat that guys?
And so on until they're front row.
That's quite an impressive car (provisionally until April 15th).
