"Blade Runner" Oscar Pistorius shoots his girlfriend

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Not much mention of the cricket bat so far... One idea is that he tried to use it to break down the locked bathroom door.
 
If he'd shot her in the leg, and then she fled, and then after, he fired 3 more shots through the bathroom door... surely she would have screamed, or made some kind of noise. Was he wearing earplugs or earmuffs?
 
New evidence has been found outside the Pistorius home that completely acquits him of his girlfriend's murder.

Footprints.


/CSI.
 
I really hope for his sake that Pistorius is telling the truth, but his version of events makes absolutely no sense at all. He claims it was so dark that he didn't notice that Reeva was not in bed, but he still managed to grab his gun from under the bed, and didn't bother to wake/alert Reeva (who he apparently believed was in the bed at the time) to get her to phone the police there and then, but rather went charging into the bathroom and opened fire, having clearly not ascertained that the 'intruder' was infact his guest??

Sorry, but no sale.
 
Dennisch
The guy is such a dumbass. He shot this:
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Some more here.


The cops also said he'd been binge drinking, 'cos when they got there, he was ... you guessed it!


But seriously, it's a tragic story. What a waste of 2 promising young lives. We're kind of in shock here in SA.


Some fascinating reading here & here.
 
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Carbonox
At this rate, he's not going to leg it from an inevitable prison sentence.
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:rolleyes:

The police seem quite unprepared/ unable at present to substantiate their very clear claims it was premeditated. Their evidence that the couple was fighting were a neighbour's account from 600m away and the 'steroid' found is a substance they cannot yet identify because they haven't tested it.

Good old South African police incompetence.
 
Oscar is a wealthy elite. There is no trial by jury in South Africa. The prosecution appears inept. Could a judge perhaps be bribed or otherwise corrupted in such a society? I'm unfamiliar with South African culture, but societies everywhere seem to be tending towards corruption, for instance the European football scandals at the moment. Not to mentin Lance Armstrong, and OJ's incredible legal team.

Uncertainly,
Steve
 
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I'd hardly call Simpson's legal team - Cochrane, Kardashian (yes, one of those Kardashians) and Bailey - corrupt. They were very, very clever at obfuscating the evidence and creating reasonable doubt. And that's all the defence is required to do (though deliberately muddying the waters is a bit of a dirty tactic). The burden of proof rests with the prosecution; they are the ones who need to prove their case. The minimum requirement of the defence is to create reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. they don't need to prove that their client did not commit the crime, only demonstrate that their client did not commit the crime as the prosecution claims that they did.

Nor would I call the prosecution in Pistorius' case "inept". They've spelt out their case, and while the defence has gotten the police to admit that they found no evidence that directly contradicted Pistorius' account of events, it would appear that there is no evidence that directly supports his account of events. From the sounds of things, this case is likely to come down to the interpretation of the evidence, supported by additional testimony from witnesses (such as the residents who claimed they heard fighting for hours before the shooting).
 
Dotini
Could a judge perhaps be bribed or otherwise corrupted in such a society? I'm unfamiliar with South African culture, but societies everywhere seem to be tending towards corruption, for instance the European football scandals at the moment.
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It seems like you have already formulated your conclusion on his guilt. Would anything short of a premeditated murder verdict be as a result of corruption in your view?

prisonermonkeys
Nor would I call the prosecution in Pistorius' case "inept". They've spelt out their case, and while the defence has gotten the police to admit that they found no evidence that directly contradicted Pistorius' account of events, it would appear that there is no evidence that directly supports his account of events. From the sounds of things, this case is likely to come down to the interpretation of the evidence, supported by additional testimony from witnesses (such as the residents who claimed they heard fighting for hours before the shooting).
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In essence - but of course people love to jump on poor journalistic reporting to pass judgement, even more so when it's an elite athlete.
 
Mike Rotch
It seems like you have already formulated your conclusion on his guilt. Would anything short of a premeditated murder verdict be as a result of corruption in your view?
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No, I don't think he is guilty of premeditated murder, which would be murder in the 1st degree in the US. In my view, he looks to be guilty of murder in the 2nd degree. I.e., committed in the heat of passion or conflict. He acted impulsively, his judgment clouded by booze, dope and extreme anger.

But apparently, the SA police are obsessed with denying him bail, which apparently in SA can only be when they are charging him with premeditated murder. I don't care if he gets bail, or not. I don't care about him at all. He's just another jock who committed a common enough domestic crime. That he is a celebrity by virtue of his deformity and technology is the only reason the media is noticing.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve
 
Dotini
But apparently, the SA police are obsessed with denying him bail, which apparently in SA can only be when they are charging him with premeditated murder.
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They may have a lesser-included charge of second-degree murder so that even if they can't make the premeditated murder charge stick, they'll have something to fall back on.
 
How is he going to stand up for himself in court?

I mean... his athletic career is almost over, its been legged!
 
Dotini
No, I don't think he is guilty of premeditated murder, which would be murder in the 1st degree in the US. In my view, he looks to be guilty of murder in the 2nd degree. I.e., committed in the heat of passion or conflict. He acted impulsively, his judgment clouded by booze, dope and extreme anger.

But apparently, the SA police are obsessed with denying him bail, which apparently in SA can only be when they are charging him with premeditated murder. I don't care if he gets bail, or not. I don't care about him at all. He's just another jock who committed a common enough domestic crime. That he is a celebrity by virtue of his deformity and technology is the only reason the media is noticing.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve
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So you've judged & convicted him, then. What's his sentence?
 
Jaywalker
So you've judged & convicted him, then. What's his sentence?
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Prosthetics which limit his height to no more than 4.5' (~1.5 meter) would be a good start. :sly:

But I don't know what SA law allows.
Certainly he should spend a deal of time in a chain gang or such, and provide suitable compensation to the Steenkamp clan from his vast wealth.

Yours,
Steve
 
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Dotini
Oscar is a wealthy elite. There is no trial by jury in South Africa. The prosecution appears inept. Could a judge perhaps be bribed or otherwise corrupted in such a society? I'm unfamiliar with South African culture, but societies everywhere seem to be tending towards corruption, for instance the European football scandals at the moment. Not to mentin Lance Armstrong, and OJ's incredible legal team.

Uncertainly,
Steve
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My thoughts too... Now it comes out that the lead detective is facing murder charges. Why now? Why not in 2011 when the crime took place... Why do they drop charges, then bring them back now....Hopefully we'll get some answers to that, and hopefully it doesn't have to do with corruption within their Public Prosecutions system...

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Rich S
Now it comes out that the lead detective is facing murder charges. Why now? Why not in 2011 when the crime took place... Why do they drop charges, then bring them back now....Hopefully we'll get some answers to that, and hopefully it doesn't have to do with corruption within their Public Prosecutions system...
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Based on some of the comments that have been made by jouranlists reporting on the story down here, it would seem that Botha was originally charged with seven counts of attempted murder, but those charges were ultimately dropped. However, some kind of police integrity tribual was asked to re-examine the case, and recommended that those involved be committed to stand trial - at the discretion of the prosecutor - because it would be in the public's interest to investigate the incident, even if each of the police involved were acquitted. Pistorius' defence spun this out to mean that Botha is facing seven counts of attempted murder. That might sound like semantics, but there is a considerable difference between the two.
 

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