"Blue Devil" News: Test Details Roll In
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lol Ive noticed him even though Im not a member. I think he just balances out the universe. I think why he made that comment is because US figures are always better than european ones, so he came up with that conclusion.
Its liek how corvette fans think EU mags are against american cars because we dont get the same figures.
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Big news today kids, the long-rumored LS9 may have been caught in development...
Images of what appears to be a new high-performance engine from General Motors have surfaced on the web. Snapped by member 'norm' of the Digital Corvettes discussion forums
...Now the arguement becomes, is this the new Corvette "Blue Devil" 6.2L supercharged V8, or is this the new 6.2L S/C V8 that will be used in the possible Cadillac Escalade-V? The Corvette forms that posted the information seems to point both ways, so it's semi-up-in-the-air.
Check the forum HERE
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It will be interesting to see how everything works out. My only hint that this is a truck motor, not a Corvette engine, is that it displaces 6.2L and makes "only" 650 BHP. The L96 that is seeing duty in the Yukon and Escalade displaces 6.2L and produces between 380-403 BHP, and a supercharger option seems like something that could happen to "replace" the top-engine spot that was once held by the Vortec 6000 H.O.
I would have expected Team Corvette to work on a way to use the C6-R's 7.0L mill and detune it slightly to run on regular street fuels, and still make nearly 600 BHP. That way, you keep the legendary 427ci engine size, make legendary ammounts of BHP, and you keep history going straight, as no Corvette should ever have to resort to forced induction out of the factory.
I would have expected Team Corvette to work on a way to use the C6-R's 7.0L mill and detune it slightly to run on regular street fuels, and still make nearly 600 BHP. That way, you keep the legendary 427ci engine size, make legendary ammounts of BHP, and you keep history going straight, as no Corvette should ever have to resort to forced induction out of the factory.
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Well, I would think 7.0L to match the legacy of the Corvette. I mean, atleast for me, that would be the most logical engine size for the ultimate Corvette. The next-step up from the 427ci (although, IMO, not as good) was the 454ci V8, thus it would require another .4L of displacement from the allready stretched 7.0L they got out of that small-block.
...Could there be a big-block revolution in the works?
...Could there be a big-block revolution in the works?
Sticking in a 454 would totally shaft the weight balance.
Either they are making a higher revving, more powerful naturally aspirated 7.0, they found a way to make the 7.0 eat a lot of boost without dying and got it to push out some stupid number (I can't see less than 700 Hp being justified if they have to go FI), or they are using a smaller engine, because it can cram a lot of boost easier, and still put out respectable numbers.
I think a 700 Hp Vette would be fine if it had FI, if they only get 600-650 it will seem like a waste.
Either they are making a higher revving, more powerful naturally aspirated 7.0, they found a way to make the 7.0 eat a lot of boost without dying and got it to push out some stupid number (I can't see less than 700 Hp being justified if they have to go FI), or they are using a smaller engine, because it can cram a lot of boost easier, and still put out respectable numbers.
I think a 700 Hp Vette would be fine if it had FI, if they only get 600-650 it will seem like a waste.
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They could go up to 600 and just tickle the Supercar envelope some more, they could do 650 and have some good bragging rights, they could do 700 and rock the world with their insanity.
The only real reason I can think of to switch to a 6.2 would be to make the engine tougher so you can pump out more than 650 Hp from it with a blower.
Mind you, some of this is a good guess, some of this is hope, I'd be happy with just 650 if they drop the car under 3,000 lbs.
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Chances are, power is going to stop at 650, as it seems to be the sweet-spot for most hard-core supercars. The Enzo stopped at 650, same with the LP640, S7, etc.
But cramming an S-load of BHP into a car isn't going to make it any faster if it cannot handle the power to begin with. Lingenfelter has had that problem plenty of times with the 650 BHP Twin-Turbo LS1 Corvettes, not to mention their 850 BHP models that cook the tires through all four gears in the 4L80E.
A 600-650 BHP version of the C6-R's race-prepped LS7 seems adequate, or atleast thats what I think. Lingenfelter Performance is allready squeezing 616 BHP out of the LS7, and that has pretty much pushed the engine to it's limits
All of this is done by:
...We will have to see what happens.
But cramming an S-load of BHP into a car isn't going to make it any faster if it cannot handle the power to begin with. Lingenfelter has had that problem plenty of times with the 650 BHP Twin-Turbo LS1 Corvettes, not to mention their 850 BHP models that cook the tires through all four gears in the 4L80E.
A 600-650 BHP version of the C6-R's race-prepped LS7 seems adequate, or atleast thats what I think. Lingenfelter Performance is allready squeezing 616 BHP out of the LS7, and that has pretty much pushed the engine to it's limits
All of this is done by:
Lingenfelter
...We will have to see what happens.
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One must also realise that Chevrolet is watching Dodge with the "Diamondback" project, and will likely try to top whatever Dodge comes up with.
Two things will not happen though:
I also doubt that the 6.2 is a Corvette engine, because Chevy has ben pushing the "427" aspect quite hard in it's ads for the Z06. In addition, the 6.2 would be far heavier than the 7.0, and I don't think Chevy wants to have to rebalance the car.
Two things will not happen though:
- They will not turbocharge the car past 650. The engine block would not be able to take it with any form of reliability. Up to 650 would really probably be no problem though, because they can reinforce the block if they need to.
- They will most likely not supercharge the car, for it would lose the revability that the Z06 already has in spades. Besides, the car already has enough torque.
I also doubt that the 6.2 is a Corvette engine, because Chevy has ben pushing the "427" aspect quite hard in it's ads for the Z06. In addition, the 6.2 would be far heavier than the 7.0, and I don't think Chevy wants to have to rebalance the car.
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Cylinder holes are smaller=more metal in engine. Aluminum or not, any metal weighs more than the absense of it. The same reason why a Hemi 426 weighed more than a 440, and the 427 big block weighed more than the 454.
When added to the weight of a turbo- or supercharger setup, you've added probably 200-300 lbs to the front of the car, and can't mount it as far back or low as it was as the LS7.
When added to the weight of a turbo- or supercharger setup, you've added probably 200-300 lbs to the front of the car, and can't mount it as far back or low as it was as the LS7.
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But bragging rights don't mean anything when you can't actually use the power you keep talking about. Its the same thing when the kids get their 30-ft spoilers on the back of their Grandma's Civic and think it adds enough downforce to make it fast.
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Wow. Ironic statement of the day. Since when has any car company not made a car because it was "unnecessary and unsafe"? I thought that was up to Ralph Nader.
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What surprises me the most about the decision by Cadillac NOT to build V-spec models of the Escalade and SRX is that they have been in development for so long. After the V12-powered Cadillac Cien debuted a few years back, there were V12-powered Escalades running about Detroit, rumored to be the V-Spec models that were supposed to be ready back in 2003.
As for the SRX, it was presumed that it would get it's V-Spec trim from it's STS sibling that it shares many of it's parts with. Although I do not know of any test mules, I sure there was one, as it would be realively simple to drop the 4.4L S/C Northstar V8 under the hood of the small-ish SUV.
As for the SRX, it was presumed that it would get it's V-Spec trim from it's STS sibling that it shares many of it's parts with. Although I do not know of any test mules, I sure there was one, as it would be realively simple to drop the 4.4L S/C Northstar V8 under the hood of the small-ish SUV.
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No... the LS7 can be pushed to put out more than 600whp or about 740bhp.YSSMAN
