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To be honest with you. I think no matter how close the vette comes to Ferrari or Porsche, it is still a peice of crap GM product in the end. The build quality of the car is crap, the engine technology is crap, and the suspension technology is crap, and don't get me started with the interior!

Those car companies are just in different leagues, so there is no point in trying to compare them.
The interior IS crap and I don't tihnk anyone would try to pretend otherwise. but Regarding the rest of the car, does it have to all be state of the art to be considered good? Sometimes state of the art can be crap, and tried and tested can be good. It's all down to what works and what will get the job done. There's a reason the Z06 can keep up with the Ford GT and the Ferrari 360CS on a track, and that reason is not because the car is crap. Sure the sum of the Ferrari's parts is far better and more advanced than that of the Z06's, but the end result is a very fast car. I don't know much about Vette's reliability, but I'd presume that's not shocking either. If you'd care to add some substance to your post you might get a better response.
 
To be honest with you. I think no matter how close the vette comes to Ferrari or Porsche, it is still a peice of crap GM product in the end. The build quality of the car is crap, the engine technology is crap, and the suspension technology is crap, and don't get me started with the interior! :grumpy:

Those car companies are just in different leagues, so there is no point in trying to compare them.

That sounds a little biased don't you think? I'm pretty sure that if you drove a Z06 on a racetrack your opinion would be slightly different?
 
The interior IS crap and I don't tihnk anyone would try to pretend otherwise. but Regarding the rest of the car, does it have to all be state of the art to be considered good? Sometimes state of the art can be crap, and tried and tested can be good. It's all down to what works and what will get the job done. There's a reason the Z06 can keep up with the Ford GT and the Ferrari 360CS on a track, and that reason is not because the car is crap. Sure the sum of the Ferrari's parts is far better and more advanced than that of the Z06's, but the end result is a very fast car. I don't know much about Vette's reliability, but I'd presume that's not shocking either. If you'd care to add some substance to your post you might get a better response.

The post was soley my opinion on American car companies using technology from the fifties and sixties in their new cars. I was coming from the point that if I were to buy a expensive sports car, not supercar, that I would spring the extra dollars for a nicer more advanced car with a better driving feel. Sorry if their wasn't enough substace to the oringinal post.

For some substance then! The reason I called the engine garbage is because using that much displacment (talking of current Z06) they only managed 500hp. They are still using an old engine design on their top of the line car. Allthough they came up with a new name for it (cam-in-block, very caveman like) and it had better be decent, because they have been working on the same thing for around 20 years and the same overal design for around 40 years. The old school suspension design does work good on the track, but suffers ride quality on the street were it Europeon and Japanese counterparts do not. :grumpy:

Also I used to work at a Chevy dealership and dealed with a lot of GM cars, Corvettes included. These cars have not escaped the build quality and reliability issues that other GM cars also have problems with. In addition the materials used and the assembly of Corvettes isn't anything to be proud of either. You could find better quality parts and materials on a mid-90's Civic. :grumpy:

JMO, backed with a couple quick facts! :)

That sounds a little biased don't you think? I'm pretty sure that if you drove a Z06 on a racetrack your opinion would be slightly different?

As for driving Z06's I have had plenty of experience in that department. In fact since I worked at the dealer that got one of the first new Z06's. I was probably one of the first civilians to drive one. After that I drove a few more at the dealer when they came in for service.

Outside of the dealership I have had the chance to autocross a couple Z06's and drive one at a trackday at Gingerman Raceway in Michigan. :)
 
To be honest with you. I think no matter how close the vette comes to Ferrari or Porsche, it is still a peice of crap GM product in the end. The build quality of the car is crap, the engine technology is crap, and the suspension technology is crap, and don't get me started with the interior! :grumpy:

Those car companies are just in different leagues, so there is no point in trying to compare them.

...Wow, that takes a lot of guts to talk like that when you know that I'm around. I think there are more than a few members who know how I feel about the Corvette, and to be completely honest, I do have to question your reasoning here.

1) GM is Crap: I'm not going to defend everything that GM has done in the post-Golden-years era, however in the past seven years alone, GM's quality has increased ten-fold, their products are exciting and generating plenty of buzz, and it would appear as though GM is serious about bringing back the GM of yore. Certainly, GM still has a way to go in order to knock-out the Japanese guns in the quality department, but with Toyota faltering (basically a victim of their own success) in build quality, Honda showing signs of cheapness, and the Koreans generally surprising everyone, GM might not have long to go to get back where they need to be. Look no further than the Aura and Outlook for some good recent work, the Cadillac brand has been stellar for the past few years, and with the addition of the Zeta program this year, it is quite easy to see that GM is not only maintaining their dominance of the American market, but hope to expand it in segments previously left untouched by the company.

2) The Porsche/Ferrari Factor: Gripe all you want, but people are still going to put cars like the Corvette and the Viper in with the 911 and the F430 no matter what happens. What it comes down to is that for less money you can buy the two American cars that pretty much out-perform cars that cost twice as much. Around the world, cars like the Corvette and Viper have increased in popularity simply because they aren't 911s or F430s which have almost become generic in Europe. Here in America, they are icons because they are built in America, use decisvely American technology, and sell for blue-collar American prices. Why complain? I love the idea of our "ass-backwards" Z06 beating up on the F430 and the like...

3) Corvette Technology: How many times have we had this debate on the forums here? I mean in nearly every mention of the Corvette or Viper, the same stuff gets brought up, and nearly every time people split themselves down the middle. What it comes down to is that the Corvette doesn't need to have F1-derrived V8s or transmissions, it doesn't need 47 computers to monitor the suspension/brakes/seat cushions/steering wheel height/your mom's phone number/etc. All that matters is that you stick in a high-power V8, a "shift-yourself" manual transmission, and match it up with a low-weight body and chassis to make the go-fast come a little easier.

So what if we still use pushrods. You find me a 505 BHP engine that you can buy out of the box for $15K and will probably run for 150K+ miles. Using these engines keeps the price down, the weight down, and overall increases the reliability and the ease of customization and maintenance on the engine. If people had a problem with GM running the same design for the past 53 years, they would have changed it by now. Simply put, there isn't any reason to dump the small-block, and I believe most sane people realize that. But people still complain... "Why do you only make 505 BHP with 7.0L???" Well, its the way we do it in America. Look at the Viper and you used to only get 500 BHP from an 8.2L V10. What it comes down to with the Z06 is that history has brought back the 427ci V8 in modern times, and we don't care if people don't like it. We want our BHP and torque on the cheap, and thus we shop for our Chevrolet/GM V8 designs...

As for the suspension issues, I believe that is more of a personal issue than anything. Just like pushrods, people seem to have this notion that the world gave up on it years ago, and for the most part they did. But have the leaf-springs not worked out well since 1963? They last longer than coil-overs or multi-links, reduces weight, and doesn't call for an anti-roll bar. Sure it is a bit more complex and slightly more expensive than some other setups, but given how long they will last, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Build quality issues are something that are variable with the Corvette. Sure, they don't have Porsche or Ferrari-quality materials inside the cabin (after all, that is why the Z06 costs only $70K), but they are a significant improvement over the C4 and C5 generations, and GM has been fairly active in improving it as time goes by. On the side of poor build quality when it comes to reliability, electrical issues have been something that have plagued the Corvette for decades... Same things happen at Jaguar and Aston Martin, but does that mean that you wouldn't buy an XK or V8 Vantage? Thought not...

I'm not out to put the Z06 in the same category as the Enzo or the Carrera GT, but with the extra power the Corvette ZL-1 could do some spectacular things. Given that the current Z06 pretty much matches the SLR in most performance benchmarks, the Carrera GT and other supercars aren't far-off. We'll see what GM does decide to do with the car in the near-future, but it is anyone's guess how radical the performance will be. If anything, the Z06 surpassed a lot of expectations as a cheap supercar, and I'm sure that the ZL-1 will do much the same.
 
3) Corvette Technology: How many times have we had this debate on the forums here? I mean in nearly every mention of the Corvette or Viper, the same stuff gets brought up, and nearly every time people split themselves down the middle. What it comes down to is that the Corvette doesn't need to have F1-derrived V8s or transmissions, it doesn't need 47 computers to monitor the suspension/brakes/seat cushions/steering wheel height/your mom's phone number/etc. All that matters is that you stick in a high-power V8, a "shift-yourself" manual transmission, and match it up with a low-weight body and chassis to make the go-fast come a little easier.

And don't forget all those Le Mans wins...against the supposedly superior Porsche, Ferrari, etc..
 
As for driving Z06's I have had plenty of experience in that department. In fact since I worked at the dealer that got one of the first new Z06's. I was probably one of the first civilians to drive one. After that I drove a few more at the dealer when they came in for service.

Outside of the dealership I have had the chance to autocross a couple Z06's and drive one at a trackday at Gingerman Raceway in Michigan. :)

Nice, you backed up your opinion so I strongly respect your thoughts on the Z06.:)
 
As a reinforcement... what's wrong with the Corvette's leaf springs? It's lighter than comparable coil springs, has never been known to fail without reason, and is very compact.

People need to get the idea that Corvette leaf springs = truck leaf springs. They are a completely different and original design.

As for pushrods... meh... Mercedes still makes SOHC engines with three valve heads... that's certainly "old fashioned"... and throttle butterflies... why does anybody still use them? BMW already showed you can run an engine without throttle butterflies... :lol:

Personally... whatever works... works.
 
Yeah. I see eg6's points, but it's hard to argue against the "bang for the buck" Corvette offers. Isn't this one of those, agree-to-disagree moments? I personally think both types of cars are great.
 
And don't forget all those Le Mans wins...against the supposedly superior Porsche, Ferrari, etc..


Really? Because last I checked, it was Dodge who put the Americans back into Le Mans racing with the Viper years after the GT40, and that is was Porsche who was the dominant manufacturer at LeMans.

BTW, winning in a class doesn't really mean "winning Le Mans" imho.

Oh, that "supposedly" is fact.

Porsche has 16 overall wins in Lemans with 7 in a row from 1981-1987. Where was Chevy? Ferrari is 2nd with 9, with 6 in a row from 1960-1965. Where's Chevy? Bentley and Alfa Romeo dominated 4 years in a row twice from 1927-1930 and 1931-1934. Chevy? 1951, 1953, 1955, 1956, and 1957 were dominated by the Jaguar C-Type and D-Types. Chevy? Audi, of course has 5 with the R8 and 1 with the R10. Bentley up set that in 2003. Chevrolet? Yeah, racing in the back. Ford has 1966-1969 with the GT40s. Chevrolet? Mazda has the 1991 race. Chevy? And of course, 1995 with McLaren. Chevy? Sauber, Peugeot, Renault, Aston Martin, and BMW all have wins. Where's Chevrolet's Corvette?

None. Chevrolet has never actually won a Le Mans race. I think the only time they actually won a 24 Hour race was during the Rolex.

So, really, why are you comparing Corvette Le Mans History to Porsche and Ferrari when the Corvettes have never had a big LeMans win while Porsche actually does?
 
Porsche builds cars that are a class under the top class with a nod and a wink to the judges, and then goes on to win outright.

Chevy has been competing two classes under the top class now, with LMP1 and LMP2 out and about.

How many races have you watched with the Vettes harrassing the LMP1 cars?

I recall several, not too shabby for a car that actually shares DNA with a real street car.
 
Doesn't the 1-2 finish in GT class for 3 years straight count? Le Mans is not all LMP class, after all.

I don't count winning a class in 5th and 6th place as being superior to Ferrari and Porsche who have actually proved their dominance at Le Mans for several years.

Porsche builds cars that are a class under the top class with a nod and a wink to the judges, and then goes on to win outright.

Chevy has been competing two classes under the top class now, with LMP1 and LMP2 out and about.

How many races have you watched with the Vettes harrassing the LMP1 cars?

I recall several, not too shabby for a car that actually shares DNA with a real street car.
And how many times did the Vette actually win ahead of said LMP? I can not recall any.
 
None. Chevrolet has never actually won a Le Mans race. I think the only time they actually won a 24 Hour race was during the Rolex.

I think the in-class wins should certainly count in the Corvette's favor, be it a C6-R, C5-R, or even further back in the past with some of the origional Duntov-designed Corvette racers. The car's history in racing has been one of great success, not only in America, but around the world. Sure, they haven't had an overall success at LeMans, but when it comes down to it, when was the last time that a non-prototype car won LeMans? Its been a few decades, hasn't it? When was the last time that Ferrari officially sent in a car or two and won? 1965?

It really isn't worth it to pick on Chevrolet in this circumstance, as they have won, they just haven't won it all. Hell, you know that last year they finished fourth overall, and I'd call that pretty good against the likes of the Audi R10 and the Prescarolo Sport. The General already had their fun with the Cadillac LMP program, and we all know how that turned out. I give them more than enough credit to stick with the Corvette at GT1 class. IMO, it is probably the most interesting to follow, and probably the most competitive these days.

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Isnt the aston db9-r faster than the C6-R?

The Aston DBR-9? Between it and the C6-R, it pretty much is a fight to the death in most circumstances. I'd say that between the two cars, they are nearly identical in most measurements, however I think they were saying that the DBR-9 was faster out of the corner, but the C6-R had a higher top-speed (or was that reversed?).
 
I think the in-class wins should certainly count in the Corvette's favor, be it a C6-R, C5-R, or even further back in the past with some of the origional Duntov-designed Corvette racers. The car's history in racing has been one of great success, not only in America, but around the world. Sure, they haven't had an overall success at LeMans, but when it comes down to it, when was the last time that a non-prototype car won LeMans? Its been a few decades, hasn't it? When was the last time that Ferrari officially sent in a car or two and won? 1965?

It really isn't worth it to pick on Chevrolet in this circumstance, as they have won, they just haven't won it all. Hell, you know that last year they finished fourth overall, and I'd call that pretty good against the likes of the Audi R10 and the Prescarolo Sport. The General already had their fun with the Cadillac LMP program, and we all know how that turned out. I give them more than enough credit to stick with the Corvette at GT1 class. IMO, it is probably the most interesting to follow, and probably the most competitive these days.



The Aston DBR-9? Between it and the C6-R, it pretty much is a fight to the death in most circumstances. I'd say that between the two cars, they are nearly identical in most measurements, however I think they were saying that the DBR-9 was faster out of the corner, but the C6-R had a higher top-speed (or was that reversed?).


I know they've "won", but I was mostly commenting on the fact what gave harry the right to comment on Corvette Le Mans History Wins, and then say to the "supposedly superior Porsche, Ferrari, etc." when the truth is that those companies HAVE won LeMans races. Even with class wins, Porsche and Ferrari are still far more superior in theirs.

As for world wide Corvette history? Where? Grand Am maybe. Certainly not the FIA GT or FIA GT3. Those both have been dominated by Vipers, with 2006 as the only season the C6R thanks GLPK showing some strength.

And define, "prototype." ;) I assume though, you are speaking in terms of LMP.

And it actually, hasn't been a few decades, not even A decade. A Porsche 911 GT1 in 1998 won followed by 2 TWR Porsches, and McLaren. The 2 TWRs were prototypes, however, still, Porsche re-entered with a 911 GT1 to show closed cars still were dominant until next year when BMW would start this long prototype chain.
 
The Aston DBR-9? Between it and the C6-R, it pretty much is a fight to the death in most circumstances. I'd say that between the two cars, they are nearly identical in most measurements, however I think they were saying that the DBR-9 was faster out of the corner, but the C6-R had a higher top-speed (or was that reversed?).
Here in the UK and Europe some of the series field factory backs DBR-9 teams and it's pretty fair to say that they are a dominant force along with the Maserati MC12's, the Corvettes are not. I don't know what the differences are between the car specs to the ones raced in the ALMS. The're both GT1 class cars as far as I'm concerned. Saleen and Lamborghini are the regular losers over here with the Corvette being very mich more middle of the table cars. At LeMans the Astons seem to be very much capable of running faster lap times than the Vettes but they seem to struggle to hold out in terms of reliability more than the Vettes. Maybe it's a pacing thing, because I may be wrong but arn't ALMS races quite long, whereas most European GT races are usually similar in lenth to a Formula 1 race. Even the FIA GT champioship has the Astons dominating the Corvettes, though in the FIA GT championship every team is a private team, none are factory backed, that's the rules.
 
Maybe it's a pacing thing, because I may be wrong but arn't ALMS races quite long, whereas most European GT races are usually similar in lenth to a Formula 1 race.

The "normal" races are 2:45. Laguna Seca is extended to 4 hours. Sebring is 12 hours and Petit Le Mans is 10 hours.
 
Well that trashese that theory. There's only 1 long race in the FIA GT calender and that's the Proximus 24hrs of Spa, the rest are all 500km or 3 hours, whichever comes first.
 
Well, if you go to the LMS races, all races are 1000km. And Aston competes there regularly. Infact, they won the GT1 class -06.
 
Here in the UK and Europe some of the series field factory backs DBR-9 teams and it's pretty fair to say that they are a dominant force along with the Maserati MC12's, the Corvettes are not. I don't know what the differences are between the car specs to the ones raced in the ALMS. The're both GT1 class cars as far as I'm concerned. Saleen and Lamborghini are the regular losers over here with the Corvette being very mich more middle of the table cars. At LeMans the Astons seem to be very much capable of running faster lap times than the Vettes but they seem to struggle to hold out in terms of reliability more than the Vettes. Maybe it's a pacing thing, because I may be wrong but arn't ALMS races quite long, whereas most European GT races are usually similar in lenth to a Formula 1 race. Even the FIA GT champioship has the Astons dominating the Corvettes, though in the FIA GT championship every team is a private team, none are factory backed, that's the rules.

The no-factory backing is what hurts the Lamborghinis primarily because there's zero from any race series much like Ferrari. Now, I wouldn't say their the biggest losers with Saleen. Saleen has come pretty strong in some races. Lamborghini though, mainly relys on Reiter Engineering.

About Saleen though, you can't say the Corvette is any better because in the 2006 Season, these were the ending results.

1st - Vitaphone obviously do the MC12s. 2nd and 3rd were both DBR9s, with the 4th belonging to the Zakspeed S7-R. Behind them, was finally, the C6R from GPLK.
 
I don't count winning a class in 5th and 6th place as being superior to Ferrari and Porsche who have actually proved their dominance at Le Mans for several years.

And how many times did the Vette actually win ahead of said LMP? I can not recall any.


They routinely finish well ahead of many Porsches and Ferraris. In fact, they did it recently: 12 Hours Sebring.. They even beat the RS Spyder. That looks like beating LMP-class cars to me.

But not since the 1960's can you expect a non-LMP-class car to come in first against LMP-class (P1/P2) cars. However, being first in class year after year, in major races, is pretty impressive to me (being a bit of a novice motorsport fan, but knowing enough to do the research).
 
They routinely finish well ahead of many Porsches and Ferraris. In fact, they did it recently: 12 Hours Sebring.. They even beat the RS Spyder. That looks like beating LMP-class cars to me.

But not since the 1960's can you expect a non-LMP-class car to come in first against LMP-class (P1/P2) cars. However, being first in class year after year, in major races, is pretty impressive to me (being a bit of a novice motorsport fan, but knowing enough to do the research).

Ehm, both McLaren and Porsche won outright in GT1 during the late 90´s...

Corvette IS to be payed proper respect for their well deserved successes, they have fought hard for them, and to say anything else is just BS. The other teams can´t make a good enough job, and that´s it!
I´m a big fan of Aston Martin, and I always hope for them to win, but the attitude from Prodrive, was not - let´s say satisfying - at all during last ALMS season, so in the end I ended up rooting for the Vettes. In Europe however, the Astons have their toughest competition from Maserati, and the Vettes are just average (funding you know), so I cheer the Astons on here.
 
Ehm, both McLaren and Porsche won outright in GT1 during the late 90´s...
Which is all well and good. Except when the McLaren won ('95) the 'Vette was over 10 years old and lacking factory support. Porsche entered the GT1 in '96 and won the GT1 class but lost to a different type of Porsche. In '97 the far far slower McLaren F1 GTR beat the 911 GT1. In '98 the Porsche only won because everyone else blew up. And at no point did the Corvette have any factory support or any serious effort made by privateers to enter Le Mans.
 
Wasn't 2001 the first year that a Corvette had been factory-backed in either FIA or AMLS in decades? The last successful factory-backed racers were in the C2 era, and after GM backed out of factory-backed racing in the late '60s, it pretty much put an end to the Corvette's fun for quite a few years...

However I do think it is important for us to distinguish between the Z06-R (FIA) and the C6-R (ALMS) for competition purposes. The Z06-R is pretty much a modified street Z06 while the C6-R (although developed hand-in-hand with the Z06) is indeed a different animal with a few other tricks up it's sleeve. Certainly the Z06-R may not be as dominant in FIA racing (factory-backing would help), however the success of the C6-R is what sets it apart from the DBR9... However both (DBR9 and C6-R) are extremely deadly against one another, and you can bet that it will always be a good race between the two.
 
Which is all well and good. Except when the McLaren won ('95) the 'Vette was over 10 years old and lacking factory support. Porsche entered the GT1 in '96 and won the GT1 class but lost to a different type of Porsche. In '97 the far far slower McLaren F1 GTR beat the 911 GT1. In '98 the Porsche only won because everyone else blew up. And at no point did the Corvette have any factory support or any serious effort made by privateers to enter Le Mans.

I didn´t mean for that to sound like it anti Corvette. I merely replied to the fact that harrytuttle said no car except LMP class cars had won outright since the -60´s.

Wasn't 2001 the first year that a Corvette had been factory-backed in either FIA or AMLS in decades? The last successful factory-backed racers were in the C2 era, and after GM backed out of factory-backed racing in the late '60s, it pretty much put an end to the Corvette's fun for quite a few years...

However I do think it is important for us to distinguish between the Z06-R (FIA) and the C6-R (ALMS) for competition purposes. The Z06-R is pretty much a modified street Z06 while the C6-R (although developed hand-in-hand with the Z06) is indeed a different animal with a few other tricks up it's sleeve. Certainly the Z06-R may not be as dominant in FIA racing (factory-backing would help), however the success of the C6-R is what sets it apart from the DBR9... However both (DBR9 and C6-R) are extremely deadly against one another, and you can bet that it will always be a good race between the two.

Correction: the Z06-R competes in GT3, not GT1. In GT1 there are 1 C6R and I think 1 C5R, competeing under GT1 regulations. But the factory backing is why the C6R struggles to be a middlecar FIA GT. The team running the C6R in FIA GT (GLPK carsport) is a small team without the budget to really do any development on the car.
 
But the factory backing is why the C6R struggles to be a middlecar FIA GT.
Do you realise that none of the teams in the FIA GT championship have factory backing? They are all private teams, including the Astons and the Maserati's. you can't argue about a lack of factory support for the Corvetet in relation to the FIA GT, because in that regard they are in the same boat as every other team in the series.
 
Do you realise that none of the teams in the FIA GT championship have factory backing? They are all private teams, including the Astons and the Maserati's. you can't argue about a lack of factory support for the Corvetet in relation to the FIA GT, because in that regard they are in the same boat as every other team in the series.

That is not the point. I know all teams are priveteers in FIA GT. The point is, that the Corvettes in ALMS are more developed and thus faster, than the ones is FIA GT. If the ´vettes in ALMS come overseas, wich is a possibility now when they have no competiton in ALMS, they will surely be in the very front in LMS too. LMS also holds only priveteers, and some of the FIA GT teams race in LMS aswell.

To go slightly on topic: Has enyone seen how the development for the GT2 Viper comes around?
 
Correct. And in LMS, the Oreca Saleen ended up third. No Lambo AFAIK in LMS though.
No-factory support is what it kept them out. The car's not bad in the FIA, but it definately needs more support in the plant. Reiter can only do so much.

Ehm, both McLaren and Porsche won outright in GT1 during the late 90´s...

Corvette IS to be payed proper respect for their well deserved successes, they have fought hard for them, and to say anything else is just BS. The other teams can´t make a good enough job, and that´s it!
I´m a big fan of Aston Martin, and I always hope for them to win, but the attitude from Prodrive, was not - let´s say satisfying - at all during last ALMS season, so in the end I ended up rooting for the Vettes. In Europe however, the Astons have their toughest competition from Maserati, and the Vettes are just average (funding you know), so I cheer the Astons on here.
Well, you do know BMS Scuderia Italia has been spotted at Sebring testing. If they do race, the Corvettes may be in for a battle from the FIA GT DBR9.

Which is all well and good. Except when the McLaren won ('95) the 'Vette was over 10 years old and lacking factory support. Porsche entered the GT1 in '96 and won the GT1 class but lost to a different type of Porsche. In '97 the far far slower McLaren F1 GTR beat the 911 GT1. In '98 the Porsche only won because everyone else blew up. And at no point did the Corvette have any factory support or any serious effort made by privateers to enter Le Mans.
Never got why they felt the need to the tone down the power. I think they were just jealous. :grumpy:
That is not the point. I know all teams are priveteers in FIA GT. The point is, that the Corvettes in ALMS are more developed and thus faster, than the ones is FIA GT. If the ´vettes in ALMS come overseas, wich is a possibility now when they have no competiton in ALMS, they will surely be in the very front in LMS too. LMS also holds only priveteers, and some of the FIA GT teams race in LMS aswell.

To go slightly on topic: Has enyone seen how the development for the GT2 Viper comes around?
Oreca, from what I hear, is supposed to be taking their time making sure the Viper can compete with the other class. I think it's a waste, and that they should go for the Vettes.
 
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