"Blue Devil" News: Test Details Roll In
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I think people are overassuming when it comes to the Corvette Z06-R. There is not going to be forced induction, there isnt going to be any more than eight cylinders, and I doubt there will be a dramatic decrease in weight.
Look at it this way, the Z06 is still lighter than a Carrera GT, is faster, and costs less than half as much. The Z06-R will probably use high compression heads with a more race-car like engine timing, cams, etc. It is going to be a C6R for the streets... Stripped interior, higher horsepower, higher price. Think Porsche GT3-R vs GT3 for the street... Nothing more, nothing less...
For GM to be doing it, it is really there to reel in more Corvette fans, and help create more in the process. It seems unquestionable that Chevrolet wants to build the fastest American "full-production" (as in more than a coupe cars per year like Saleen and Mosler) car available. With the Ford GT completely out of the picture for 2007, it is completely within the grasp of the folks a GM assuming that DCX doesn't decide to do the same with the Viper SRT-10...
Look at it this way, the Z06 is still lighter than a Carrera GT, is faster, and costs less than half as much. The Z06-R will probably use high compression heads with a more race-car like engine timing, cams, etc. It is going to be a C6R for the streets... Stripped interior, higher horsepower, higher price. Think Porsche GT3-R vs GT3 for the street... Nothing more, nothing less...
For GM to be doing it, it is really there to reel in more Corvette fans, and help create more in the process. It seems unquestionable that Chevrolet wants to build the fastest American "full-production" (as in more than a coupe cars per year like Saleen and Mosler) car available. With the Ford GT completely out of the picture for 2007, it is completely within the grasp of the folks a GM assuming that DCX doesn't decide to do the same with the Viper SRT-10...
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Im thinking now GM will have raised the bar to a 600hp Corvette now maybe we will see some other cars like Cadillacs and future Camaro's special editions reaching 500hp to compete with cars like GT500 Mustang and still not surpass the precious Corvette flagship.
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The Z really doesn't need forced induction to do anything. More importantly than more power is less weight, if they really want to impress people internationally, and FI would just kill the chances of that. Plus, I already said before you can make 600+whp from just a few mods on a Z06... why go FI?
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My bad on the Z06 vs Carrera GT in weight... Carrera weighs in at 3146lb vs the Corvette's 3147... I knew it was a close one, I thought the Corvette undercut it just a bit.
The Z06 will out accelerate the Carrera GT to 60MPH (3.4 vs 3.5), but the difference in rather minimal (okay maybe half a second) all the way through the quarter mile, etc. The only performance test where the GT undoubtedly trumps the Z06 is in top speed, 205 for the Porsche and 198 for the Corvette.
But the Corvette is less than half the price, damn near as fast, and gets better gas mileage. I'd like to see the two of them go at it on a real racetrack, just to see what would happen...
So how quick is the standard C6 supposed to be then? The Z51-equipped models match the previous Z06 in almost every way, and up untill the new C6-based Z06 came out, it was the fastest production Corvette made available to the public. The Vette is plenty fast in the United States, I don't see how it "should be faster..."
The Z06 will out accelerate the Carrera GT to 60MPH (3.4 vs 3.5), but the difference in rather minimal (okay maybe half a second) all the way through the quarter mile, etc. The only performance test where the GT undoubtedly trumps the Z06 is in top speed, 205 for the Porsche and 198 for the Corvette.
But the Corvette is less than half the price, damn near as fast, and gets better gas mileage. I'd like to see the two of them go at it on a real racetrack, just to see what would happen...
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So how quick is the standard C6 supposed to be then? The Z51-equipped models match the previous Z06 in almost every way, and up untill the new C6-based Z06 came out, it was the fastest production Corvette made available to the public. The Vette is plenty fast in the United States, I don't see how it "should be faster..."
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It's suppose to be as quick as it is, that's what I said, I didn't say, hint at, or imply it was too slow and should be faster. I said the RS4 being faster is "all in praise of the RS4 being fantastically quick as opposed to the C6 not being as quick as it should be". In other words, the RS4 being quicker is in no way a bad reflection of the C6.
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CGT
Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 605
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1380
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 445.44
0 - 60 (Secs) : 3.36
0 - 100 (Secs) : 6.63
60 - 100 (Secs) : 3.27
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 11.35
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 130.87
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 11.25
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 132.34
Z06
Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 505
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1420
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 361.34
0 - 60 (Secs) : 3.67
0 - 100 (Secs) : 7.65
60 - 100 (Secs) : 3.98
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 11.77
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 124.04
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 11.67
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 125.44
Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 605
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1380
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 445.44
0 - 60 (Secs) : 3.36
0 - 100 (Secs) : 6.63
60 - 100 (Secs) : 3.27
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 11.35
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 130.87
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 11.25
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 132.34
Z06
Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 505
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1420
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 361.34
0 - 60 (Secs) : 3.67
0 - 100 (Secs) : 7.65
60 - 100 (Secs) : 3.98
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 11.77
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 124.04
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 11.67
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 125.44
I'm still going with the same viewpoint I've had all along. Cars are meant to be driven. I don't want to buy a beautiful car that performs like crap, but I've no problems with buying a hideous car that rules the track (I'd nab an Ariel Atom if I could get one).
Famine: I'll answer your question. I think it's a matter of where you go. This forum has more intelligent posters than most. Supercars.net, on the other hand, had a substantial number of European (and American) posters that vehemently hated on everything American the last time I was there, which wasn't too long ago.
On the Corvette SS...I would've preferred that GM revive the "Grand Sport" name. Doesn't have to have the old paint job, but I liked that name. I've got my own projections as to where it'll end up in the placings, but I'll refrain from posting them for now. When some times come through, I'll spill.
Famine: I'll answer your question. I think it's a matter of where you go. This forum has more intelligent posters than most. Supercars.net, on the other hand, had a substantial number of European (and American) posters that vehemently hated on everything American the last time I was there, which wasn't too long ago.
On the Corvette SS...I would've preferred that GM revive the "Grand Sport" name. Doesn't have to have the old paint job, but I liked that name. I've got my own projections as to where it'll end up in the placings, but I'll refrain from posting them for now. When some times come through, I'll spill.
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And what if you'll never take it to the track? You can't think about track use every time you buy a new car. I'd prefer a good looking car that's economical and comfey that a car that can blitz a track, because I would benefit from a car that's economical and comfey a lot more.
I totally agree about SC.net, I used to regular there, as it stands I only pop into one or two of the car specific thread's now (mainly TVR one's ofcourse).
I totally agree about SC.net, I used to regular there, as it stands I only pop into one or two of the car specific thread's now (mainly TVR one's ofcourse).
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You callin me intelligent? 
I would prefer Grand Sport to SS also, a car as iconic as the Corvette deserves something special. Although I'd prefer Z06-R to Grand Sport.
The Impala SS is iconic also, but only with the SS moniker, which is why I feel the Impala and all other Chevy models should get an SS while the Vette should not.
I agree with the intelligence comment -tho I think Im far from intelligent- because most forums have people cursing and screwing around, while this one has active mods who prevent that. Runescape has good censoring, but well always find a way around that, and there arent many mods around to stop us.
I would prefer Grand Sport to SS also, a car as iconic as the Corvette deserves something special. Although I'd prefer Z06-R to Grand Sport.
The Impala SS is iconic also, but only with the SS moniker, which is why I feel the Impala and all other Chevy models should get an SS while the Vette should not.
I agree with the intelligence comment -tho I think Im far from intelligent- because most forums have people cursing and screwing around, while this one has active mods who prevent that. Runescape has good censoring, but well always find a way around that, and there arent many mods around to stop us.
live4speed
That's when I think about performance in terms of fuel economy and safety characteristics, both active (good brake performance for one) and passive (got to be tougher than tissue paper if it takes a hit). My daily driver is a '94 Plymouth Acclaim sedan (saloon) that looks like utter crap, but has over 300 horses and handles well enough that my mother managed to evade being caught between two crashing semi-trucks once.
I wouldn't be as annoyed if more people took the stance of "I just personally prefer the aesthetics over the performance" rather than going for the full-out "performance means nothing, Ferrari/Porsche/Lambo/Viper/Noble/etc...is still better because it has SOUL!" on things. They're CARS. You DRIVE them. o_o; And I won't even get into the argument about whether or not the Corvette evokes "passion".
Of course.
That place would make Satan weep...
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Whats wrong with wanting a car that has soul? Thats why so many people choose the 3-series over the IS, G35, etc...
I'm glad Alfa Romeo is going to be on sale in the US for Callendar Year 2007, finially some truely soulful cars will be available once again...
I'm glad Alfa Romeo is going to be on sale in the US for Callendar Year 2007, finially some truely soulful cars will be available once again...
