BMW M League anyone interested???
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- chorda / GTP_chorda
Have you driven a car "in to" the limited speed? I can tell you that you really feel that it's limited. The engine kind of "dies".. It's very obvious when driving and reaching the limited speed. On a car that is not limited, the acceleration kind of fades away before reaching the actual top speed, but when reaching a limited speed, the decrease in acceleration is instand and you can clearly feel it (at least in the more powerful cars). If a 330i is limited, you might not feel the limit in the same way as in the M3 since the acceleration is close to 0 in a 330i at that speed. In an M3, the acceleration is still pretty strong, and I think that an M3 E46 could reach 295 without the limiter. Though I have not driven one without the limiter yet, so I can not say with 100% accuracy. But as far as the limited M3 goes, I know for a fact that the limiter kicks in around (could vary, depending on what car you drive) 275 km/h.
Just because the manufactors say that the cars are limited to 250 km/h does not really prove thet they actually are. My M3 is not delimited, and still reach 275 km/h. But the actual speed if you used a GPS would probably be around 265 km/h even dough the speedo says 275.
The speed shown is not "actual" speed. Some of the Mercedes modles base the speedo thru GPS, and is therefore correct. But as far as M3 E46 goes, the speedo is a "happy speedo" if you understand what I'm trying to say.
Ya im in CST (GMT minus 6) so it should work out fine for ya. I would like to run the races around 2:00-3:00 (GMT), about an hour race with 10 minute qualifying.
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- nastradamus87
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Do you have an M3 or a CSL? Perhaps the CSL is limited a little higher?
I get what you're saying... I like it when manufacturers do that. They undersell the top speed in a way to keep you out of trouble. So you look down at the speedo and see that you are going 5 over the limit, but you are actually at the limit. That way you can avoid tickets if you tend to drive a little higher than the limits.The speed shown is not "actual" speed. Some of the Mercedes modles base the speedo thru GPS, and is therefore correct. But as far as M3 E46 goes, the speedo is a "happy speedo" if you understand what I'm trying to say.
Good to hear.
Anyone up for a practice session tomorrow night around 2:00am GMT?
Ya, I'll probobly have a lobby open tonight in about a half hour if ya care to join...I'll post the room #.
Tire wear, tire and wheel changes (upgrading to aftermarket) also change how your speedo reads. It might make very slight changes but speedo's are never spot on.
Just want to remind everyone about the BMW Series voting thread. The link is on the OP, scroll to the bottom of the OP and you'll find it. Please take a few minutes to place your votes. A new poll will be up tomorrow, I'll keep the poll's refreshing daily. Also, if i haven't got your PSN on the signup list please copy the list and update it with your PSN on it (if there's 16 people signed up, add yourself anyway). I hope that Wednesday or Thursday sounds good for everyone (this isn't finalized). Also I would like to hear comments on my proposed points system (it will be readjusted for 16 drivers should we actually have 16 people).
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- EvoGT89, GTP_EvoGT89
Put me on the list driving a Z4M.
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I'm aware of that issue, and what you need to watch out for is when upgrading to wheels/tires with a larger overall diameter. Too large and your speedometer will now be underestimating your speed. So when you think you're going 5 over the limit you may actually be going 10 over. It's smart to have your speedo recalibrated if you plan to use larger wheels.
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- chorda / GTP_chorda
@ Graham Trismo
It's a M3 Comp. Package.
A standard E46 M3, but with some details from the CSL:
19" magnesium wheels
suade steering wheel with "M-track mode"
Steering ratio (more direct steering)
Stiffer springs
Bigger brake discs (345mm instead of 325mm)
I also added:
CSL front
CF grill
CF side vents
CSL diffusor
Blacked out turn indicators
Last part of the exhaust changed to a 15 kg lighter version
brake liquid hose surrounded by metal to make sure presure is up even after working the brakes very hard.
Racing Brake calippers
The topspeed is limited exactly the same on CSL, CP and standard. I've driven them all in to the limit. 👍
It's a M3 Comp. Package.
A standard E46 M3, but with some details from the CSL:
19" magnesium wheels
suade steering wheel with "M-track mode"
Steering ratio (more direct steering)
Stiffer springs
Bigger brake discs (345mm instead of 325mm)
I also added:
CSL front
CF grill
CF side vents
CSL diffusor
Blacked out turn indicators
Last part of the exhaust changed to a 15 kg lighter version
brake liquid hose surrounded by metal to make sure presure is up even after working the brakes very hard.
Racing Brake calippers
The topspeed is limited exactly the same on CSL, CP and standard. I've driven them all in to the limit. 👍
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- Counter_Steer
Well last night went well. 
I was driving my shiny new Z4M, and pretty much wiped the competition. Sorry guys, but I won three out of three races that I participated in, and I was driving the "slow" car. 
These cars are amazingly even, and it was really fun. So sorry redcouch and Denilson, but I think a general PP limit will work just fine. 👍
Oh, and I was 5PP under the limit too.
I was driving my shiny new Z4M, and pretty much wiped the competition. Sorry guys, but I won three out of three races that I participated in, and I was driving the "slow" car. These cars are amazingly even, and it was really fun. So sorry redcouch and Denilson, but I think a general PP limit will work just fine. 👍Oh, and I was 5PP under the limit too.
Well last night went well.
Oh, and I was 5PP under the limit too.
Agreed... But you get a 300kg penalty! Haha jk. Ya I like just a general PP limit. We can do all the testing and tuning we want and might never find exactly what we're looking for. Now we have to determine what the PP limit will be.
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- GTP_hamster1984
So are we going with adjustle tranny and full race suspension?
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- redcouch1
Well last night went well.
Oh, and I was 5PP under the limit too.
From my last test with the correct tires and closer PP I showed that the three cars indeed are even in performance. It was your mistake to think I had any problem with things going your way.
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Please refer back to my testing post... i think it's on page 10. I also put up very even times in my own test (testing the PP). I think either way we go about it, it WILL be fair racing. With just having a PP limit and a few "off limits" mods it will also be much easier to enforce while being fair at the same time. If we did decide to go with some sort of spec for each car I would have almost no way of enforcing it. I think for everyone it is just as fair and a lot easier to go with a PP limit.
Please refer back to my testing post... i think it's on page 10. I also put up very even times in my own test (testing the PP). I think either way we go about it, it WILL be fair racing. With just having a PP limit and a few "off limits" mods it will also be much easier to enforce while being fair at the same time. If we did decide to go with some sort of spec for each car I would have almost no way of enforcing it. I think for everyone it is just as fair and a lot easier to go with a PP limit.
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- redcouch1
I agree, the only way to spec each individual car is with exact weight, power, and PP. The only way to have a different setup and still meet the spec values would be to use ballast and power restrictor, which is more trouble than its worth I think. Any other mod that doesnt effect PP I dont know of any way to monitor, but thats moot since I'm fairly sure you will be allowing all the top powertrain mods and what not.
If you set a PP limit, and a power and weight target(say plus or minus 15 HP and kg for flexability) for all cars to follow I think it will be fine, yes. However, I was originally thinking if each car had different performance at the same PP level, we would have to have a set PP, weight, and power spec specific to each car. Seems when you put all the cars at a similar PP, weight, and power they are the same though, so I vote for that now.
If you set a PP limit, and a power and weight target(say plus or minus 15 HP and kg for flexability) for all cars to follow I think it will be fine, yes. However, I was originally thinking if each car had different performance at the same PP level, we would have to have a set PP, weight, and power spec specific to each car. Seems when you put all the cars at a similar PP, weight, and power they are the same though, so I vote for that now.
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Well last night went well.
Oh, and I was 5PP under the limit too.
Well, for me, it's was never a contest about whos suggestion to go by..
But to make a decition based on you winning 3 races against other drivers might not be the correct way to come to a conclution. You might be a very fast driver, right?
And on the other hand, you might be extremely slow.. What will happen when a fast driver uses the Z4 M with 5 more PP?
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- EvoGT89, GTP_EvoGT89
Not true in the slightest. I gave instructions to copy/past your self to the list. That and i want PSN's, I don't know if Evolution_GT is your PSN as well as your GTP account. Not trying to be a 🤬 but I have been busy the last few days (in the real world). I've take notice of your post and consider you and anyone else thats posted here signed up. If you want to be added to the list either copy/paste yourself to the list or reply in a post with a little more detailed info...
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- EvoGT89, GTP_EvoGT89
My apologizes, I shouldn't have assumed you would notice the two respective PSN accounts I listed underneath my avatar.
Not sure which PSN I should be using for this league, however my main PSN is EvoGT89, which I would prefer to use (attached to my game save data), and my other PSN account, GTP_EvoGT89 is purely used for WRS.
1) CJS158 Car: TBD
2) DiegoC1980 Car: TBD
3) GrahamTurismo Car: E46 "Something"
4) Bimmerboy96 Car: TBD
5) nastradamus87 Car: TBD
6) redcouch1 Car:TBD
7) hamster1984 Car: Z4M
8) Krizzay Car:TBD
9) GTP_Egghead Car: The Slowest One
10) sach22 Car: TBD
11) Counter_Steer Car: Z4 M
12) GrayFox32 Car: M3 Coupe '07
13) chorda Car: CSL or GTR
14) ssyd780 Car: CSL
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