Boycott time!!

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Do you approve of the prize money changes?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 7.6%
  • No

    Votes: 145 92.4%

  • Total voters
    157
Based on what we've seen on GTP today I'd expect a lot of Zero scores, poorly worded rants and ALL CAPS!!11! reviews...

... the kind of review most rational people ignore.
Which is why I expressed my review in as eloquent a manner and with as much criticism for the actual content as I am capable of. There are many problems with the game as far as content is concerned. Payouts pushing MTX are just one problem. If GT4 at release is the pinnacle of design for the series, then GT7 has a long ways to go.
 
What a disaster.

When Sony censored leaked-gameplay-videos by this strange "Mumbo" company or how it was called, i already had a bad feeling.
 
Add to your reviews, even the graphic downgrade on PS5 at the level of graphic effects, (tire smoke, debris "grass, sand," even on dirt tracks, water raised by cars, sparks) which is inconceivable such a thing.
They have to at least let us users choose the quantity/quality of the effects so it just sucks, it’s unrealistic.
 
I completely understand how people who love to get credits quickly and who love to collect cars would be disappointed. I'm not a fan of microtransactions but it's not like they are illegal.

We paid for a game and got that game and can enjoy it without microtransactions, if we choose. I'm currently loving gt7 and I will never use real money to buy something in a video game. I did that a few years ago with 2K and it got out of hand badly. the addiction is strong.

I had millions of credits sitting on the table with GT Sport because I didn't need to buy cars that I really wasn't going to use that much anyway.

Also, as it's been mentioned already, we're likely going to have this game for 3 or 4 years and they'll be plenty of time to build up credits enough to buy cars.

I know there are some who really want them now and don't want to wait. I guess that's the audience where the microtransactions make sense for PD.

Lastly, for the people who say they don't want to mindlessly grind the same races over and over just to earn credits to buy cars, I completely agree with you. Don't do that if it takes away your love for racing and your enjoyment of the session you're in.

Set up some custom races and try to enjoy the racing itself and let the credits come in as they may.

I will end by saying I'm enjoying the game and I think it was worth every penny I paid for it but there's no need for me to give PD more money.
 
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Er....yeah? The key word being "reasonable". The balance of the economy in the game is miles off and I genuinely don't think it would be were it not for microtransactions
Err... no.
I always felt some pride when I finally was able to buy a car after a lot of grinding. How is it any fun to race in like 3 short races to get enough payout to buy the super expensive cars? Exactly, it is not.
I can also remember the online events in GT6 that sometimes paid you over a million in 30 minutes. Ridiculous. What's the point in that?
Grinding has to be exactly that: A grind. It has to consume time. It has to be hard. It has to be a bit boring.
Plus, with the 20 millions cars not being worth 20 millions anymore and the XJ13 so far being an unicorn (but still with a 35% discount), I really don't see any valid reason to boycott the game in the hopes to increase the payout. Plus, we will get more events in the future that might or might not have higher payouts.
You don't even need these cars, they're optional. It's nice to have them, sure, but complaining it takes too long to purchase them because you're impatient and don't want to spend some sweat into it, I consider this lazyness.
 
I agree with review bombing, though it is hit or miss on whether developers react to it. EA for instance had a sports game a few years ago get 0.2 out of 10 Metacritic score, yet still keeps the same hated formula for all of their sports games. Hopefully PD will take this to heart, but I expect that they won't. Boycotting will have a more immediate financial impact in them, so may get more of a reaction.
 
Err... no.
I always felt some pride when I finally was able to buy a car after a lot of grinding. How is it any fun to race in like 3 short races to get enough payout to buy the super expensive cars? Exactly, it is not.

I'm not asking for that. I want a reasonable time vs. reward balance. As it stands I'm struggling to even afford more than a single Gr.3 and Gr.4 car to use to race online with. One of the best bits of GT Sport was using the different cars in each class to experiment with, now I can't do this because I just can't afford the cars.

I can also remember the online events in GT6 that sometimes paid you over a million in 30 minutes. Ridiculous. What's the point in that?
Grinding has to be exactly that: A grind. It has to consume time. It has to be hard. It has to be a bit boring.
Plus, with the 20 millions cars not being worth 20 millions anymore and the XJ13 so far being an unicorn (but still with a 35% discount), I really don't see any valid reason to boycott the game in the hopes to increase the payout. Plus, we will get more events in the future that might or might not have higher payouts.

I don't mind some grinding as long as there are decent rewards to be had. I did a lot of the Blue Moon grinding in GT Sport but even though the overall payout per hour was lower than in GT7 it never felt unfair because you also had the daily marathon reward car given to you. GT7 has removed that and replace it with piss poor roulette rewards (I've still not received above 20,000 credits in those).

You don't even need these cars, they're optional. It's nice to have them, sure, but complaining it takes too long to purchase them because you're impatient and don't want to spend some sweat into it, I consider this lazyness.

It's quite the opposite actually, I work my arse off every day and then when I finish work I want to sit down and be able to enjoy playing a game, not be forced to spend hour upon hour of bouncing around on some god awful rally track just to be able to afford a Gr.3 car to play with my mates. In GT Sport I got a lot of these via daily marathon rewards so the grind wasn't as forced as it is in GT7.
 
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I completely understand how people who love to get credits quickly and who love to collect cars would be disappointed. I'm not a fan of microtransactions but it's not like they are illegal.

We paid for a game and got that game and can enjoy it without microtransactions, if we choose. I'm currently loving gt7 and I will never use real money to buy something in a video game. I did that a few years ago with 2K and it got out of hand badly. the addiction is strong.

I had millions of credits sitting on the table with GT Sport because I didn't need to buy cars that I really wasn't going to use that much anyway.

Also, as it's been mentioned already, we're likely going to have this game for 3 or 4 years and they'll be plenty of time to build up credits enough to buy cars.

I know there are some who really want them now and don't want to wait. I guess that's the audience where the microtransactions make sense for PD.

Lastly, for the people who say they don't want to mindlessly grind the same races over and over just to earn credits to buy cars, I completely agree with you. Don't do that if it takes away your love for racing and your enjoyment of the session you're in.

Set up some custom races and try to enjoy the racing itself and let the credits come in as they may.

I will end by saying I'm enjoying the game and I think it was worth every penny I paid for it but there's no need for me to give PD more money.
Would carrying the money banked from GT Sport over to your GT7 username make sense....a little bit of reward for loyalty to the franchise.
 
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Impatient people demanding that they progress faster than they already are. Right. Sadly, this is what we are as a society nowadays. Everything has to be unlocked as fast as possible and if it can't be done in a reasonable amount of time, it is not worth it.
Good luck with your boycott and good luck finding mates to support you.
However, the game will be around with us for a few years. The UCD and LCD will offer the cars again in a while. There will be plenty of time to complete the car collection. There's really no need to rush.
1000% agree with you man

Sadly in current times, the youngest generation don't want to wait and work for nothing. All need to be in the moment, right now, without any effort, NOW. In other way.... the tantrum begins. Is a western world phenomena. A spoiled generations habituated to demand demand, demand.
That is the reality in a modern world and I think that is the reason why the new generations are so unhappy, empty and without objetives. They don't realize that the interesting and the most enjoyable part of life is on the way, not in the finish line.

What we need to do in the game to have the credits to buy cars? PLAY. We are not buying a game console to PLAY? They are not asking to carry sand bags under the sun, or wash dishes 10 hours per day, 6 times a week. Just PLAY
We are not buying a console to PLAY?

In 2017 I moved from Gran Turismo to Forza Motorsport because I really like the car catalog and I was not very happy with the Gran Turismo Sport concept. I started to play the 6 and the game pays millions for only 3 races. What's happened? In the first 10 days I already had all the cars what I want and I lose interest and motivation to play it agan.
I use the game for just 3-4 weeks and after that I didn't touch it anymore.
 
1000% agree with you man

Sadly in current times, the youngest generation don't want to wait and work for nothing. All need to be in the moment, right now, without any effort, NOW. In other way.... the tantrum begins. Is a western world phenomena. A spoiled generations habituated to demand demand, demand.
That is the reality in a modern world and I think that is the reason why the new generations are so unhappy, empty and without objetives. They don't realize that the interesting and the most enjoyable part of life is on the way, not in the finish line.

Why are you assuming it's a generational thing? I'm 36 and I think it's out of balance, as does my 52 year old colleague and my 40 year old boss who I play the game with.
 
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It's quite the opposite actually, I work my arse off every day and then when I finish work I want to sit down and be able to enjoy playing a game, not be forced to spend hour upon hour of bouncing around on some god awful rally track just to be able to afford a Gr.3 car to play with my mates. In GT Sport I got a lot of these via daily marathon rewards so the grind wasn't as forced as it is in GT7.
I play games to relax as well. However, progressing in a game and grinding is both relaxing to me, it makes no difference. There's always a goal in mind. I try to improve my car setup, change cars, use different tuning parts, change the racing line...
And I personally don't feel that I have a time limit because the cars will turn up sooner or later again anyway. If I don't get the car this time, I will get it the next time it's in the UCD.
Also, if I'm not mistaken, the Gr.3 cars still cost only 450'000 Cr. Even with the 1.07 Update it should be about an hour to unlock the next Gr.3 car. That would still be one car a day, for forty days straight. I'd absolutely enjoy that.
 
It's so wrong, why lessen some rewards? Why not just increase the amount for the longer races and let the rest stay the same? I'm definitely going to send PD a message by not playing for a while and maybe post a negative review on some sites, I might come back in the future, but this is stupid, don't give a kid a toy and than take it away when he/she is having fun with it......................
I'm boycotting for now, going to give ACC a try I guess.
 
Not buying this game at launch was a great decision. I won't buy it until the mtx policy is over. GT used to be my favorite video game franchise but I can't accept that work in progress game or like they say "game as a service". 80euros is a lot of money today, everything is so much more expensive and I expect almost perfection for that money. The game was supposed to have 50 café books? Well, I'll wait. They almost lost me as a player. They can keep all these mtx, stupid roulette reward or grinding, I'm so disappointed by GT.
 
Sadly in current times, the youngest generation don't want to wait and work for nothing. All need to be in the moment, right now, without any effort, NOW. In other way.... the tantrum begins. Is a western world phenomena. A spoiled generations habituated to demand demand, demand.
That is the reality in a modern world and I think that is the reason why the new generations are so unhappy, empty and without objetives. They don't realize that the interesting and the most enjoyable part of life is on the way, not in the finish line.

What we need to do in the game to have the credits to buy cars? PLAY. We are not buying a game console to PLAY? They are not asking to carry sand bags under the sun, or wash dishes 10 hours per day, 6 times a week. Just PLAY
We are not buying a console to PLAY?

In 2017 I moved from Gran Turismo to Forza Motorsport because I really like the car catalog and I was not very happy with the Gran Turismo Sport concept. I started to play the 6 and the game pays millions for only 3 races. What's happened? In the first 10 days I already had all the cars what I want and I lose interest and motivation to play it agan.
I use the game for just 3-4 weeks and after that I didn't touch it anymore.
Ok, boomer.
 
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Well, I can't refund it, even if I wanted to. The least I could do is just give up on Gran Turismo games from this point on, refusing to support Polyphony or Sony. Won't buy their DLC, their MTX, nothing.
 
The time to boycott would have been before buying when it was becoming clear that the intent with the game was to squeeze blood from a stone. After you already bought it and have seen PD put in the effort to rub it in your face doesn't do anything. Whether you're playing or not only really matters to Sony's bottom line if you're buying microtransactions in the process.

KJF
Why is the game online only if they don't care whether or not people play it once they've paid?
So it's impossible to find anything to get around the game structure as designed.
 
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If we don't boycott this game until they change the prize money they will continue to rip us off. One week guys that's all it would take.
You want to boycott…. something that you already paid for? I know there’s MTX and stuff but it’s not like any of us had any interest in buying that stuff anyways….
 
The time to boycott would have been before buying when it was becoming clear that the intent with the game was to squeeze blood from a stone. After you already bought it and have seen PD put in the effort to rub it in your face doesn't do anything. Whether you're playing or not only really matters to Sony's bottom line if you're buying microtransactions in the process.


So it's impossible to find anything to get around the game structure as designed.
You can still boycot the online component, they'll notice when they have 10 times too much server capacity all of a sudden....
 
But why would they care about this (online only) if the players actions after buying the game are irrelevant to them?

And the idea that game publishers don't care about player engagement is based on what exactly?

In reality a large drop in engagement would be bad for multiple reasons. Drop in MTX, negative press, lesser interest in future games, loss of trust between publisher and designer etc...

The time to boycott would have been before buying when it was becoming clear that the intent with the game was to squeeze blood from a stone. After you already bought it and have seen PD put in the effort to rub it in your face doesn't do anything. Whether you're playing or not only really matters to Sony's bottom line if you're buying microtransactions in the process.


So it's impossible to find anything to get around the game structure as designed.
 
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As a parent, I already hated the amount of grind the game required. Additionally, I was upset about the lack of BOP in Sport. But they had the audacity to lower the earnings of races? After all this BS about GT being Kaz's "love letter to cars"....

I've never been moved to create an acct until today but as soon as I get home from work, I'm creating a Metacritic acct to rate this game where it belongs.
 
Err... no.
I always felt some pride when I finally was able to buy a car after a lot of grinding. How is it any fun to race in like 3 short races to get enough payout to buy the super expensive cars? Exactly, it is not.
I can also remember the online events in GT6 that sometimes paid you over a million in 30 minutes. Ridiculous. What's the point in that?
Grinding has to be exactly that: A grind. It has to consume time. It has to be hard. It has to be a bit boring.
Plus, with the 20 millions cars not being worth 20 millions anymore and the XJ13 so far being an unicorn (but still with a 35% discount), I really don't see any valid reason to boycott the game in the hopes to increase the payout. Plus, we will get more events in the future that might or might not have higher payouts.
You don't even need these cars, they're optional. It's nice to have them, sure, but complaining it takes too long to purchase them because you're impatient and don't want to spend some sweat into it, I consider this lazyness.
"Reasonable" is a pretty subjective thing. Some can play the game 6 hours a day, others can play 6 hours a week etc.

There needs to be a fair balance in the grind.

Right now only a few single player events have a good payout. Using the best credit per hour event right now, in order to buy all group3 cars it would be a 20+ hour grind(on track time) of the same race over and over and over. Some can do that in a few days, others a whole month, but one cannot argue that 20+ hours of the same race vs AI is astonishingly horrible, boring gameplay.

If one were to partake in Daily Race C exclusively, as it is now, it would take roughly 240 race WINS to have enough money to buy all group 3 cars. They are about 20 minute races so that is 80 hours on track. And I cannot stress enough, that is only if you WIN every single one of those races. Us mere mortals who place mid pack all the time this will easily be 180 hrs of daily C.

I get you like the game, you have a desire to defend it, but the game economy is in no way reasonable for even most die hards.

The fact PD very quickly went out of their way to nerf event payouts in game very clearly signals their intentions that they do not want people earning credits by playing the game, they want your money. Fair enough, but I will not give PD another dime, nor do I even have the will or desire to put that much time in the game just to unlock a single class of race cars. The rate I play the game it would take me a year and half to unlock only gr3 cars, oh, and none of this factors in every car will likely need 140K in tires......so make that 3 years before I have all gr3............


In B4: "Well, then buy credits"......NO! :D
 
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Would carrying the money banked from GT Sport over to your GT7 username make sense....a little bit of reward for loyalty to the franchise.
This would truly be putting the consumer first and that would be a love letter from Kaz to those loyal to his brand. Sadly, it would fly in the face of the millions (if not billions) he stands to make from microtransactions.

It's such a great idea though
 
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