Boycott time!!

[BallPtPenTheif]

You don't need to organise a boycott. People will just naturally stop playing the game pretty quickly if they leave it in this state.

You think the casual millions are going to spend months on this game grinding credits to buy a few cars? No, they'll just move on to another game, maybe that apparently terrible one that just gives people cars as a reward for doing things in game. So they can have fun, driving the cars they want.

Yup.

I'll occasionally try to jump back into Overwatch and after a few days of getting bad loot box rolls, I usually get bored and lose interest. My motivation for GT7 is different though, as I just want to race Porsches against people online, but other people will probably lose interest.

 

[Rudenut]

You can't bring variety. Unless you plan to spend hundreds if not thousands of hours grinding on this game to get the cars you want.

You have a good thing like custom races, or even the sport races against actual players who are on your level or above you to make racing more fun. But what do they pay you?
5.000 credits for a win after like 10 minutes?
Yeah, good luck buying the legendary cars at that rate mate.

You seem to be completely oblivious to the fine line that can exist in grinding. There's 0 and then there's 100... This is you basically who so far only made comparisons with extreme ends of the spectrum. What you don't realize is that there's numbers between 0 and 100.

Of course I don't want this to be like Project Cars where you have everything unlocked from the start. Where did I even stated that I wanted everything from the start? In fact, NAME ONE PERSON in this thread or any other who demanded everything to be unlocked from the start. No one is asking for this.


Instead of making one of the legendary cars available only after 20 hours of grinding ONE single race over and over, why not add a championship with 10 difference races and with lots of laps on each one of them that takes also many hours to complete, and you get one of the legendary cars as a prize car for winning it? Isn't this much better and far... faaaar less boring?

In fact just look at Gran Turismo 4. You have a Championship which is basically simulating a real life F1 season. It had 15 races, each one of them was pretty much the distance of a real life F1 race (over 300km each) which obviously was a huge championship that would take you over 24 hours to finish. After winning every single race race and the championship, you were rewarded with 4.5 million credits, which was enough to buy any of the most expensive cars of that game (4.5 million) and you got a prize car that was also one of the most expensive cars in the game (the Sauber C9 Mercedes, arguably the 2nd best car in the game after the Formula Gran Turismo which was the car you needed for this championship).
THIS^ is "grinding" done right and rewards you well. THIS is the balance that is needed.

Oh and before doing this championship, you had to do a 24 hour endurance race to win the Formula Gran Turismo itself. Which again, shows you a great balance of grinding, you did a whole 24 hour race and got well rewarded for it.

Or how about instead of making you do the same race over and over for 20 hours, why not about 6-7 hours of that same race? 6-7 hours for most of us who have a job is about 2, 3 or even 4 day sessions, that looks pretty damn reasonable. Especially since you have limited time to get that legendary car as it can go out of stock any time soon.

Or how about 20 hours of different races who give you the same payout? This is still ridiculous but at least there's variety that doesn't cost you massively in terms of time/credits ratio.


Dude... You seriously have no idea on the ridiculous level of grinding we are talking about here.

I'll actually make a thread about it... as soon as the goddamn servers are online and I can play to check the prices of the damn cars for once... Another big negative aspect of this game.

If I could like your comment more than once I would. I think there is some weird Stockholm syndrome type stuff going on with people. It's like people have been so barraged with these practices that refuting them makes us seem entitled to the delusional.

 

[Confi-User-3]

You can't bring variety. Unless you plan to spend hundreds if not thousands of hours grinding on this game to get the cars you want.

You can ALWAYS bring variety into the grind! Go to different races. Use different cars. Tune the car. Change the setup. There is no limit.

You seem to be completely oblivious to the fine line that can exist in grinding. There's 0 and then there's 100... This is you basically who so far only made comparisons with extreme ends of the spectrum. What you don't realize is that there's numbers between 0 and 100.

I very well realise that this game is on the rather higher end of the spectrum considering money progression, but again, it is by far not on a level where I consider it too much. Trust me or not, I have seen games with even worse, much worse progression than GT7. And the grind there was absolutely crucial to continue the game, so it's by far not a voluntary grind like it is here.

Of course I don't want this to be like Project Cars where you have everything unlocked from the start. Where did I even stated that I wanted everything from the start? In fact, NAME ONE PERSON in this thread or any other who demanded everything to be unlocked from the start. No one is asking for this.

No one is asking for this? Look a few posts above. There is breeminator stating this:

It shouldn't be locked in the first place. The box says it's a driving simulator, not a car collecting simulator. Having the cars is a prerequisite for being able to play the game. Progression should be about becoming a better driver, not doing pointless chores just to be able to start playing the game by obtaining the cars.

Anyway, continuing

Instead of making one of the legendary cars available only after 20 hours of grinding ONE single race over and over, why not add a championship with 10 difference races and with lots of laps on each one of them that takes also many hours to complete, and you get one of the legendary cars as a prize car for winning it? Isn't this much better and far... faaaar less boring?

There are championships to do in GT7 with reasonable payout considering the difficulty and race distance. What's your point?

In fact just look at Gran Turismo 4. You have a Championship which is basically simulating a real life F1 season. It had 15 races, each one of them was pretty much the distance of a real life F1 race (over 300km each) which obviously was a huge championship that would take you over 24 hours to finish. After winning every single race race and the championship, you were rewarded with 4.5 million credits, which was enough to buy any of the most expensive cars of that game (4.5 million) and you got a prize car that was also one of the most expensive cars in the game (the Sauber C9 Mercedes, arguably the 2nd best car in the game after the Formula Gran Turismo which was the car you needed for this championship).
THIS^ is "grinding" done right and rewards you well. THIS is the balance that is needed.

I know. I've completed GT4. I'm very much aware of how to grind there and how long these championships were. I even had to abandon the championship because my copy of the game was broken and broke down after the F1 race in Laguna Seca. Good times.
Still, the grind there with this championship was satisfying, yes, but while we're comparing it, grinding this championship would take even longer than to grind in GT7.

Dude... You seriously have no idea on the ridiculous level of grinding we are talking about here.

And to mention it once again. I. Don't. Mind. Grinding. For. Eternity.
If it's a ridiculous level of a grind: Yeah, i welcome that. It's a reason for me to invest time in a game.

The goal in a racing game is to win races and have fun doing it. If the racing part itself isn't fun to you and you need a dangled carrot to keep playing, why are you even playing racing games?

It seems to me that our "goals" in a racing game are very different.
Fun doing it: Of course. Otherwise I would not play the game. I wouldn't play ANY game of ANY genre.
Win races: Not necessarily. Winning is fun, but simply winning as the sole goal is boring. No, that won't keep me motivated.
No, I need goals to fulfill. For example win on harder difficulty. Win with a weaker car than recommended. Improve myself. Understand how Tuning works. Understand how setups affect the cars. Get money for a new car. Beat a Time Trial. Gold a License. Gold a mission. Create a livery I'm satisfied with.
My mind is not competitive enough to only care about winning. There's so much more to enjoy than just that.

 

[Samus]

It seems to me that our "goals" in a racing game are very different.
Fun doing it: Of course. Otherwise I would not play the game. I wouldn't play ANY game of ANY genre.
Win races: Not necessarily. Winning is fun, but simply winning as the sole goal is boring. No, that won't keep me motivated.
No, I need goals to fulfill. For example win on harder difficulty. Win with a weaker car than recommended. Improve myself. Understand how Tuning works. Understand how setups affect the cars. Get money for a new car. Beat a Time Trial. Gold a License. Gold a mission. Create a livery I'm satisfied with.
My mind is not competitive enough to only care about winning. There's so much more to enjoy than just that.

Well yes, but my point is what you do on the track is supposed to be the fun part. If someone is only doing them because they want the reward, and taking away that reward makes it boring and pointless, I'd question if they ever found the racing fun.

 

[R3V]

The game is targeted at the 1% of players who spend 99% of the money. Would be surprised if a boycott takes off or works.

 

[Confi-User-3]

Well yes, but my point is what you do on the track is supposed to be the fun part. If someone is only doing them because they want the reward, and taking away that reward makes it boring and pointless, I'd question if they ever found the racing fun.

Okay, I get your point.
Of course it must be fun to race. That's the meat of all racing games. If the racing fails to be fun, there's no point continuing playing. That's why I continued playing GT Sport during its whole life cycle and I continued playing GT Sport even after achieving all my goals. Even if there are big rewards for that, if the game is garbage, I won't touch it again after completing, or even abandon it before completing it.
But having a goal to race for is also important. It helps me motivate myself to do more racing and to invest more time into all of the games settings and aspects. If there are no goals except winning, then the racing itself in the game must be very satisfying. Which, to be fair, failed to be satisfying in Project CARS due to it's absolutely broken penalty system and very sterile presentation.
But racing just for the sake of winning races does not motivate me. That's also why games like the F1 games don't motivate me to do a career, but just to play the game online with friends to have some fun and do some offline races to train for the online races.

 

[Grimm6Jack]

You can ALWAYS bring variety into the grind! Go to different races. Use different cars. Tune the car. Change the setup. There is no limit.

I very well realise that this game is on the rather higher end of the spectrum considering money progression, but again, it is by far not on a level where I consider it too much. Trust me or not, I have seen games with even worse, much worse progression than GT7. And the grind there was absolutely crucial to continue the game, so it's by far not a voluntary grind like it is here.

No one is asking for this? Look a few posts above. There is breeminator stating this:

Anyway, continuing

There are championships to do in GT7 with reasonable payout considering the difficulty and race distance. What's your point?

I know. I've completed GT4. I'm very much aware of how to grind there and how long these championships were. I even had to abandon the championship because my copy of the game was broken and broke down after the F1 race in Laguna Seca. Good times.
Still, the grind there with this championship was satisfying, yes, but while we're comparing it, grinding this championship would take even longer than to grind in GT7.

And to mention it once again. I. Don't. Mind. Grinding. For. Eternity.
If it's a ridiculous level of a grind: Yeah, i welcome that. It's a reason for me to invest time in a game.

No offence, but you are really a minority, like, not just a minority, almost a literall one of a kind here. " I don't mind grinding for eternity ". This says it all. Not worth it wasting my time arguing with you about it when you are selfish like this. Then grind forever as you like then.
Most people have limited time and also have other games to play and experience. Just because you play a game until the end of time doesn't mean you have to argue with any of us about our criticism of it on this aspect.



But there are a few points I can argue and reply to.

We are not comparing GT7 with any other game as a direct comparison of what is huge/small grinding. We are comparing it mainly to other games of the franchise. GT7 is by far the worst when it comes to getting your cars and it's only done so that PD can get massive profits with the microtransactions, which are by themselves expensive. The game has a menu strictly for the cars you have collected. So yes, you want to 100% the game and by extension, experience all the cars... you do have to get them all.

No, there aren't any championships in GT7 that give a reasonable payout. You seem to have missed the part where Fisherman's Ranch was the best option by far.

You completely missed my point about the GT4 comparison. That championship wasn't a means for repeated grinding. That championship was a way of showing that a long and hard challenge but with variety can be rewarding.
Unlike with GT7 where you literally are forced to do one single race if you want the cars in the least unreasonable time possible, which by itself is the equivalent to finishing 10 other AAA games. For longevity you have the custom races and the online, collecting cars is not a part of that.
Still just to shut you off with the GT4 comparison, there's an event in GT4 where you can win between 5-6 million credits in B-Spec and about 2 million A-Spec in an hour, and that event is a championship race of German Touring Cars, again, not a single and stupid rally race and the cars back then were 4.5 million.

 

[cowboyjon]

I played the game intensely for the first few days, finished the cafe menu then completely dropped it, with no interest left in it at all.

I was one of the earlier folks who complained about the microtransactions and in game economy, way back in the wild times of yester-week and I still look back with nostalgia at all those blind fools screaming there was nothing shady going on at all AND JUST GRIND LIKE A CHEAP HOOR YOU NOOB!

For-by all that, my biggest beef with the game is Sport multiplayer, which I hope gets sorted out but honestly I've no faith at all.

The fundamental issue is the lack of daily races that interest me. I never thought I'd miss the days of Gts bop races but here we are. I can't believe we are getting the same 3 weekly 'dailies' as Gts, only now we only have the one race that is bop.

Somewhere in this **** show that has become the story of the early days of GT7 is the fact that the online multiplayer has been a big step backwards from Gtsport and with all the other crap this isn't getting talked about enough.

 

[Supaboost]

No neeed to boycott a broken unplayable game lol.

Im rather done with this mess, gonna fire up Fh5 and wait for FM8.

 

[GTboyz]

You don't need to organise a boycott. People will just naturally stop playing the game pretty quickly if they leave it in this state.

You think the casual millions are going to spend months on this game grinding credits to buy a few cars? No, they'll just move on to another game, maybe that apparently terrible one that just gives people cars as a reward for doing things in game. So they can have fun, driving the cars they want.

This. This game isn't like GTAO where it's more accessible. This is not gonna end well for PD if they keep this up.

 

[GTPVenomZombie]

You can't bring variety. Unless you plan to spend hundreds if not thousands of hours grinding on this game to get the cars you want.

You have a good thing like custom races, or even the sport races against actual players who are on your level or above you to make racing more fun. But what do they pay you?
5.000 credits for a win after like 10 minutes?
Yeah, good luck buying the legendary cars at that rate mate.

You seem to be completely oblivious to the fine line that can exist in grinding. There's 0 and then there's 100... This is you basically who so far only made comparisons with extreme ends of the spectrum. What you don't realize is that there's numbers between 0 and 100.

Of course I don't want this to be like Project Cars where you have everything unlocked from the start. Where did I even stated that I wanted everything from the start? In fact, NAME ONE PERSON in this thread or any other who demanded everything to be unlocked from the start. No one is asking for this.


Instead of making one of the legendary cars available only after 20 hours of grinding ONE single race over and over, why not add a championship with 10 difference races and with lots of laps on each one of them that takes also many hours to complete, and you get one of the legendary cars as a prize car for winning it? Isn't this much better and far... faaaar less boring?

In fact just look at Gran Turismo 4. You have a Championship which is basically simulating a real life F1 season. It had 15 races, each one of them was pretty much the distance of a real life F1 race (over 300km each) which obviously was a huge championship that would take you over 24 hours to finish. After winning every single race race and the championship, you were rewarded with 4.5 million credits, which was enough to buy any of the most expensive cars of that game (4.5 million) and you got a prize car that was also one of the most expensive cars in the game (the Sauber C9 Mercedes, arguably the 2nd best car in the game after the Formula Gran Turismo which was the car you needed for this championship).
THIS^ is "grinding" done right and rewards you well. THIS is the balance that is needed.

Oh and before doing this championship, you had to do a 24 hour endurance race to win the Formula Gran Turismo itself. Which again, shows you a great balance of grinding, you did a whole 24 hour race and got well rewarded for it.

Or how about instead of making you do the same race over and over for 20 hours, why not about 6-7 hours of that same race? 6-7 hours for most of us who have a job is about 2, 3 or even 4 day sessions, that looks pretty damn reasonable. Especially since you have limited time to get that legendary car as it can go out of stock any time soon.

Or how about 20 hours of different races who give you the same payout? This is still ridiculous but at least there's variety that doesn't cost you massively in terms of time/credits ratio.


Dude... You seriously have no idea on the ridiculous level of grinding we are talking about here.

I'll actually make a thread about it... as soon as the goddamn servers are online and I can play to check the prices of the damn cars for once... Another big negative aspect of this game.

Well said. Agreed.

 

[Confi-User-3]

No offence, but you are really a minority, like, not just a minority, almost a literall one of a kind here. " I don't mind grinding for eternity ". This says it all. Not worth it wasting my time arguing with you about it when you are selfish like this. Then grind forever as you like then.
Most people have limited time and also have other games to play and experience. Just because you play a game until the end of time doesn't mean you have to argue with any of us about our criticism of it on this aspect.

I very highly doubt that I'm that special. Only because I seem to be in the minority on GTP, does not mean I'm in the absolute minority of ALL players or that everyone thinks like you. Very often it is just the case of the minority being very loud, just like vegans screaming for banning meat. I consider such people selfish.
Also, isn't this a forum? Isn't a forum for exactly that, for having discussions? Or is it to flatter your opinion? I am allowed to have my own opinion and I'm not afraid of having a different opinion than the rest on here.
And guess what, I'm also an adult, I also have a job and I also have very limited time. But if there is something I learned it is that I still have no need to rush a game. However, you guys talk about that game like it is your life and that your life depends on how fast you can grind money and that the cars that are in the UCD and LCD now would never ever appear again. The only answer I can think off of that would be: Chill out.

We are not comparing GT7 with any other game as a direct comparison of what is huge/small grinding. We are comparing it mainly to other games of the franchise. GT7 is by far the worst when it comes to getting your cars and it's only done so that PD can get massive profits with the microtransactions, which are by themselves expensive. The game has a menu strictly for the cars you have collected. So yes, you want to 100% the game and by extension, experience all the cars... you do have to get them all.

Microtransactions that are so overpriced that you don't even dare touching them because it is simply not worth it. Sure.
Every normal functioning human being wouldn't even dare to touch them. These MTX are clearly meant for business people that have the money and that don't have the time to progress this fast. That was the idea Kaz mentioned for GT6 and it is even more valid in GT7. They were never meant for the normal Gran Turismo fan.
I don't mind MTX existing, however if there is once thing I'd like to improve it would be to have the same option as in GT Sport: To deactivate them from showing in-game and prevent the option to even buy them.
If you consider the game 100% cleared if you have every car, granted, but then again: Does it need to be rushed?

No, there aren't any championships in GT7 that give a reasonable payout. You seem to have missed the part where Fisherman's Ranch was the best option by far.

Yeah, WAS! It isn't anymore, is it? So now championships make more sense again, no?

You completely missed my point about the GT4 comparison. That championship wasn't a means for repeated grinding. That championship was a way of showing that a long and hard challenge but with variety can be rewarding.
Unlike with GT7 where you literally are forced to do one single race if you want the cars in the least unreasonable time possible, which by itself is the equivalent to finishing 10 other AAA games. For longevity you have the custom races and the online, collecting cars is not a part of that.
Still just to shut you off with the GT4 comparison, there's an event in GT4 where you can win between 5-6 million credits in B-Spec and about 2 million A-Spec in an hour, and that event is a championship race of German Touring Cars, again, not a single and stupid rally race and the cars back then were 4.5 million.

I know this event, as I have done it for about 50 times in my own playthrough of GT4 to get all LM cars that costed 4.5 millions. Half the payout for A-spec and triple it down for B-spec and we're on the actual level of payout it actually is. So it still needed 4 to 5 hours to get the car you need when you were driving them themselves, doing the same 5 races. Or doing the wet Tsukuba race all over again to win the Mazda 6 Race Car or however it was called. Which also is repeating the same race ad nauseam.
Again... you are NOT forced to always do the same race. The events now are more time-based now. If you're always doing the same race to minimise time loss, then yeah, do that, but don't be surprised if it bores you as you have other races with very similar length and payouts.
Plus, the game is still in the process of getting bigger and getting more events. Remember GT Sport? It took literally YEARS to have a half-decent career mode with acceptable payouts for races, plus ridiculous multiplicators for doing races with underpowered cars. I have no doubts that GT7 will get there as well. You just need to be patient and think in the long run. But if some people are out of patience already it rather seems that they have a short fuse.

 

[Rudenut]

I very highly doubt that I'm that special. Only because I seem to be in the minority on GTP, does not mean I'm in the absolute minority of ALL players or that everyone thinks like you. Very often it is just the case of the minority being very loud, just like vegans screaming for banning meat. I consider such people selfish.
Also, isn't this a forum? Isn't a forum for exactly that, for having discussions? Or is it to flatter your opinion? I am allowed to have my own opinion and I'm not afraid of having a different opinion than the rest on here.
And guess what, I'm also an adult, I also have a job and I also have very limited time. But if there is something I learned it is that I still have no need to rush a game. However, you guys talk about that game like it is your life and that your life depends on how fast you can grind money and that the cars that are in the UCD and LCD now would never ever appear again. The only answer I can think off of that would be: Chill out.

Microtransactions that are so overpriced that you don't even dare touching them because it is simply not worth it. Sure.
Every normal functioning human being wouldn't even dare to touch them. These MTX are clearly meant for business people that have the money and that don't have the time to progress this fast. That was the idea Kaz mentioned for GT6 and it is even more valid in GT7. They were never meant for the normal Gran Turismo fan.
I don't mind MTX existing, however if there is once thing I'd like to improve it would be to have the same option as in GT Sport: To deactivate them from showing in-game and prevent the option to even buy them.
If you consider the game 100% cleared if you have every car, granted, but then again: Does it need to be rushed?

Yeah, WAS! It isn't anymore, is it? So now championships make more sense again, no?

I know this event, as I have done it for about 50 times in my own playthrough of GT4 to get all LM cars that costed 4.5 millions. Half the payout for A-spec and triple it down for B-spec and we're on the actual level of payout it actually is. So it still needed 4 to 5 hours to get the car you need when you were driving them themselves, doing the same 5 races. Or doing the wet Tsukuba race all over again to win the Mazda 6 Race Car or however it was called. Which also is repeating the same race ad nauseam.
Again... you are NOT forced to always do the same race. The events now are more time-based now. If you're always doing the same race to minimise time loss, then yeah, do that, but don't be surprised if it bores you as you have other races with very similar length and payouts.
Plus, the game is still in the process of getting bigger and getting more events. Remember GT Sport? It took literally YEARS to have a half-decent career mode with acceptable payouts for races, plus ridiculous multiplicators for doing races with underpowered cars. I have no doubts that GT7 will get there as well. You just need to be patient and think in the long run. But if some people are out of patience already it rather seems that they have a short fuse.

I think you are being obtuse. Why, instead, did PD not patch the game to increase the payouts of other series or races to match the payouts of the most efficient races instead? The grind was objectively slower in this game than in any other game in the series already. I would prefer the payouts to be similar to GTS. You still had to grind the races and the game would still be quite a while before we finish. There is only one reason.

 

[Imari]

Err... no.
I always felt some pride when I finally was able to buy a car after a lot of grinding. How is it any fun to race in like 3 short races to get enough payout to buy the super expensive cars? Exactly, it is not.

I mean, I thought Gran Turismo 1 was really good but I guess I was wrong. And everyone else who enjoyed it. And all the people who reviewed it. And Sony for thinking that this was a franchise that deserved being kept around.

The front page article does a pretty good job of displaying how out of whack the economy in GT7 has become compared to older games.

You can still boycot the online component, they'll notice when they have 10 times too much server capacity all of a sudden....

And they'll drop and bunch of servers and thank you for saving them the money.

X my friend. X

Boomer isn't just an age, it's also a state of mind.

 

[Tornado]

And that's not even counting that people will come out of the woodwork to defend even the stupidest decisions regarding this franchise, as they are still doing in this case when this game launched and the scope of its design as it pertained to microtransactions specifically was present.

 

[Confi-User-3]

I think you are being obtuse. Why, instead, did PD not patch the game to increase the payouts of other series or races to match the payouts of the most efficient races instead? The grind was objectively slower in this game than in any other game in the series already. I would prefer the payouts to be similar to GTS. You still had to grind the races and the game would still be quite a while before we finish. There is only one reason.

They... did. It is more evenly distributed now. The WTC 800 races received a massive increase in payouts, 70'000 Cr. now instead of 5'000 Cr. as of before if I'm not mistaken. A few other races however did get a downgrade considering race length and difficulty, which is fair enough.
The only thing I'm not understanding is to to give different prize money for different races of a series or cup.
Anyway, about being obtuse: Pre-1.07 you got nearly 100'000 Cr. for a perfect 4 minute race. 100'000 Cr.! For a 4 minute race! Let that sink in.

 

[Rudenut]

They... did. It is more evenly distributed now. The WTC 800 races received a massive increase in payouts, 70'000 Cr. now instead of 5'000 Cr. as of before if I'm not mistaken. A few other races however did get a downgrade considering race length and difficulty, which is fair enough.
The only thing I'm not understanding is to to give different prize money for different races of a series or cup.
Anyway, about being obtuse: Pre-1.07 you got nearly 100'000 Cr. for a perfect 4 minute race. 100'000 Cr.! For a 4 minute race! Let that sink in.

I don't think you are understanding what I am saying. If this was not all about driving people to MTX, then why did they not bring other series and races up to the level of HSR or Ranch prior to the patch. I am talking about hourly rate. You are still being obtuse. I suspect you are trolling.

 

[Renan_]

Don't boycott. Start a review bomb.

That doesn't work anymore, people are aware of the bad review bombing, I mean, the ones that are just there to troll, literally almost every AAA game gets "review trolled", mainly if it's a exclusive to some brand, it doesn't matter if the game is good or not. So in the end it also doesn't matter how thoughtful the review bombing would be, the people will just see the numbers, the thoughtful reviews will get lost in the shuffle, even before all this they are lost (remember when Sony pulled GT7 from Russia? Look at the amount of Russians bombing the game because of that, not counting the common review trolls there).

The bottom line is that this doesn't work anymore because of those people, thank the fanboys cOnSoLe WaRs for that, people will just see the numbers, what some journalists has to say about it and go to YouTube to watch reviews

 

[Rudenut]

That doesn't work anymore, people are aware of the bad review bombing, I mean, the ones that are just there to troll, literally almost every AAA game gets "review trolled", mainly if it's a exclusive to some brand, it doesn't matter if the game is good or not. So in the end it also doesn't matter how thoughtful the review bombing would be, the people will just see the numbers, the thoughtful reviews will get lost in the shuffle, even before all this they are lost (remember when Sony pulled GT7 from Russia? Look at the amount of Russians bombing the game because of that, not counting the common review trolls there).

The bottom line is that this doesn't work anymore because of those people, thank the fanboys cOnSoLe WaRs for that, people will just see the numbers, what some journalists has to say about it and go to YouTube to watch reviews

You seem to think review bombs are for the benefit of users that come to metacritic or steam to see if a game is worth buying. Review bombing brings attention to an issue and that is usually picked up by various media outlets and youtubers. This activity does get the developers attention and can change behavior. Think Battlefront 2 or Cyberpunk. I don't condone review bombing for every issue, but anti-consumer behavior as egregious as this...absolutely.

Google Search

 

[Confi-User-3]

I don't think you are understanding what I am saying. If this was not all about driving people to MTX, then why did they not bring other series and races up to the level of HSR or Ranch prior to the patch. I am talking about hourly rate. You are still being obtuse. I suspect you are trolling.

So... having a different opinion is now considered trolling. Wow.

The payouts are still so high that are able to buy two Gr.4 cars per hour. That's way enough.
Again... what's the problem? What do you expect? Three 4 minute races to buy a XJ13?

 

[Renan_]

You seem to think review bombs are for the benefit of users that come to metacritic or steam to see if a game is worth buying. Review bombing brings attention to an issue and that is usually picked up by various media outlets and youtubers. This activity does get the developers attention and can change behavior. Think Battlefront 2 or Cyberpunk. I don't condone review bombing for every issue, but anti-consumer behavior as egregious as this...absolutely.

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My point is about the bad review bombing that has been happening a lot just for the sake of it and people are aware of this already, they just gonna go there and see "oh, good numbers from the journalists and bad from users, wait, it's an exclusive? Hmm, I see, not gonna read those", that's what's going to happen, it doesn't matter if someone comes there willing to give a honest review warning about all of this, that stupid console wars thing destroyed the metacritic system, I hate to say this, but it's more up to YouTubers or any other famous influencers to pay attention to that issue and do something about it, the most effective thing we can do is just not buy microtransactions, advice people that are on forums or communities and make some backlash on social media, but that's it.

Again, thank the fanboys for that

 

[Rudenut]

My point is about the bad review bombing that has been happening a lot just for the sake of it and people are aware of this already, they just gonna go there and see "oh, good numbers from the journalists and bad from users, wait, it's an exclusive? Hmm, I see, not gonna read those", that's what's going to happen, it doesn't matter if someone comes there willing to give a honest review warning about all of this, that stupid console wars thing destroyed the metacritic system, I hate to say this, but it's more up to YouTubers or any other famous influencers to pay attention to that issue and do something about it, the most effective thing we can do is just not buy microtransactions, advice people that are on forums or communities and make some backlash on social media, but that's it.

Again, thank the fanboys for that

Again, the reason that there are articles being written and youtube videos being made not by fans, but actual journalists. I mean they are not the only reason, but they are one reason. It creates traffic and rumbles.

 

[wheelhp]

I very highly doubt that I'm that special. Only because I seem to be in the minority on GTP, does not mean I'm in the absolute minority of ALL players or that everyone thinks like you. Very often it is just the case of the minority being very loud, just like vegans screaming for banning meat. I consider such people selfish.
Also, isn't this a forum? Isn't a forum for exactly that, for having discussions?

Look man you should drop another 50 hours into GT7 then see if you like the grind. You're just not looking at it clearly. The grind in this game is far from fair.

 

[HarVee]

Who are the numskulls that voted yes? Who are the people that actually want to spend twice the amount of their precious time grinding the same race over just to buy a car that they want?

Edit: I am not trying to directly insult anyone, it's just that thought process baffles me is all. I am puzzled as to why some would like being paid less. It's like if you had a job, which GT7 might as well be one now, you wouldn't want a pay cut would you? Probably not. So using that logic, why would you accept that PD thinks so little of your time alive that they want you to work twice as hard?

 

[smilerftm]

How do we know those 'leaked' prize money changes are real? No-one has been able to get onto the game since before the messed up patch was released so where have these new prize money figures come from?

 

[KJF]

You can ALWAYS bring variety into the grind! Go to different races. Use different cars. Tune the car. Change the setup. There is no limit.

I very well realise that this game is on the rather higher end of the spectrum considering money progression, but again, it is by far not on a level where I consider it too much. Trust me or not, I have seen games with even worse, much worse progression than GT7. And the grind there was absolutely crucial to continue the game, so it's by far not a voluntary grind like it is here.

No one is asking for this? Look a few posts above. There is breeminator stating this:

Anyway, continuing

There are championships to do in GT7 with reasonable payout considering the difficulty and race distance. What's your point?

I know. I've completed GT4. I'm very much aware of how to grind there and how long these championships were. I even had to abandon the championship because my copy of the game was broken and broke down after the F1 race in Laguna Seca. Good times.
Still, the grind there with this championship was satisfying, yes, but while we're comparing it, grinding this championship would take even longer than to grind in GT7.

And to mention it once again. I. Don't. Mind. Grinding. For. Eternity.
If it's a ridiculous level of a grind: Yeah, i welcome that. It's a reason for me to invest time in a game.

It seems to me that our "goals" in a racing game are very different.
Fun doing it: Of course. Otherwise I would not play the game. I wouldn't play ANY game of ANY genre.
Win races: Not necessarily. Winning is fun, but simply winning as the sole goal is boring. No, that won't keep me motivated.
No, I need goals to fulfill. For example win on harder difficulty. Win with a weaker car than recommended. Improve myself. Understand how Tuning works. Understand how setups affect the cars. Get money for a new car. Beat a Time Trial. Gold a License. Gold a mission. Create a livery I'm satisfied with.
My mind is not competitive enough to only care about winning. There's so much more to enjoy than just that.

Jesusy Christ lol

If you enjoy the grind then fair enough. Nobody is telling you that you cannot. But why are you so invested in defending it in it's current form?

Some people just want to buy a car game and enjoy racing in their favourite cars, mate.

There are obviously many ways in which PD could extend the life of the game for people willing to grind while also making it accessible to those who won't or can't. Splitting it into 'casual' and 'ranked' modes is an easy solution.

 

[Imari]

They... did. It is more evenly distributed now. The WTC 800 races received a massive increase in payouts, 70'000 Cr. now instead of 5'000 Cr. as of before if I'm not mistaken. A few other races however did get a downgrade considering race length and difficulty, which is fair enough.

The races that were pretty obviously typos (by being an order of magnitude off of similar races) got an increase. Everything else went down.

Anyway, about being obtuse: Pre-1.07 you got nearly 100'000 Cr. for a perfect 4 minute race. 100'000 Cr.! For a 4 minute race! Let that sink in.

You think that's too low? It's pretty low by Gran Turismo standards, but it's not that bad.

 

[EceliN]

****ing sick of gt7 with ******** buy money to get cars and not much races wtf is wrong with you i will return this ****ing game and want my money back i dont want to buy money to get cars i wanna race much difrent races like back in the days why you dont do that soooo simple

 

[AutumnalGlow]

How do we know those 'leaked' prize money changes are real? No-one has been able to get onto the game since before the messed up patch was released so where have these new prize money figures come from?

It opened for around 5 minutes last night around the scheduled time, and then went back down again.

 

[smilerftm]

It opened for around 5 minutes last night around the scheduled time, and then went back down again.

And someone got all those prize figures in 5 minutes?