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Worth noting. It’s still such a mess and there is no clear end in site... but, this is the U.K. in the 21stC. A total cluster****.

Like all things at the moment Brexit - both the concept of withdrawal itself and the uncertainty currently surround whether it's going to happen of not, and the uncertainty of what will happen afterwards if it does - will be a factor...

... but Ford Europe is a catastrophe. Ford values Ford Europe at -$5bn. That's not an "approximately equals" sign, it's a minus. As recently as January, Ford was absolutely ripping into Ford Europe, with Steven Armstrong, then the group vice-president for Ford in Europe, Middle East and Africa, saying the brand had unacceptable reduction in market share over the last five years and posting billion-dollar losses.

Armstrong, who's now president of Ford Europe since April, laid out plans for a $14bn restructure of Ford outside the USA, including slashing tens of thousands of jobs across its 15 sites in Europe (including closing Bridgend). Ford has also announced closures at a transmission factory in Blanquefort, France (850 jobs) in December, and a vehicle assembly factory in Sao Bernardo do Campo, Brazil (2,800 jobs) in February, and cut 20% of its entire workforce in Germany (5,000 of 24,000 jobs) in April.

This has all been on the cards for five years. Ford was pointing the finger at reduced diesel demand, increasingly stringent European emissions regulations, and poor-selling models (C-Max got insta-killed; Edge [:(] has followed it this week) with poor margins. Ford USA, as we know, decided to stop making all passenger cars except Mustang, in favour of SUVs, and the same thing is on the table for Europe too - Armstrong has said all models, including Fiesta (the UK's best-selling car in 30 of its 40 years), Focus and Mondeo, are up for the axe.


Of course Brexit was also a factor cited in January. Armstrong noted that in the event of "the wrong result" (I don't know if this means Brexit in general, or a No Deal, or a really hilariously bad deal), the cuts would have to be even deeper - and it's worth noting that this doesn't necessarily mean cuts in the UK only.

I will wager Ford's statement on Bridgend later today will contain the exact phrase "part of a restructuring plan for the brand announced in January".

Edit: So close :lol:

FORD CONFIRMS START OF CONSULTATION ON POTENTIAL CLOSURE OF BRIDGEND ENGINE PLANT IN SUPPORT OF BUSINESS REDESIGN
* Consultation starts concerning the proposed end of engine production and closure of Bridgend Engine Plant in South Wales by late 2020
* Proposal supports Ford’s redesign strategy to create a more efficient and focused business in Europe, with significant progress already being made
* Comprehensive plan includes an enhanced employee separation programme, plus measures to help employees find new jobs or other career opportunities
* Ford will remain a significant employer in the U.K.; engine production maintained at Dagenham; Dunton Technical Centre home to Ford’s European sales-leading commercial vehicle business

COLOGNE, Germany, June 6, 2019 – After detailed consideration, Ford today confirmed the start of a consultation with its unions concerning the potential closure of the Ford Bridgend Engine Plant in South Wales. The proposed action is a necessary step to support Ford’s global business redesign and is part of the company’s strategy to create a more efficient and focused business in Europe.

“Creating a strong and sustainable Ford business in Europe requires us to make some difficult decisions, including the need to scale our global engine manufacturing footprint to best serve our future vehicle portfolio,” said Stuart Rowley, president, Ford of Europe. “We are committed to the U.K.; however, changing customer demand and cost disadvantages, plus an absence of additional engine models for Bridgend going forward make the plant economically unsustainable in the years ahead.”

Factors behind the proposed closure of Bridgend include significant underutilisation of the plant, driven by the impending end of engine production for Jaguar Land Rover, the cessation of the previous generation Ford GTDi 1.5-litre engine, and reduced global demand for the new generation Ford GTDi and Pfi 1.5-litre engine. At expected volumes, the plant also faces a cost disadvantage compared with other Ford facilities building the same engine.

Significant efforts to identify new opportunities have not been successful.

It is proposed that production of the new generation Ford 1.5-litre engine will end at the Bridgend facility in February 2020, with manufacture of the engines supplied to Jaguar Land Rover ceasing in September 2020, when it is proposed that Bridgend will close.

As part of its proposals, Ford also has provided details of a comprehensive plan with an enhanced separation programme for Bridgend employees. This includes helping employees with redeployment opportunities to other Ford sites in the U.K. and assisting with domestic relocation where possible, or supporting them to find new employers or pursue new opportunities, such as creating their own businesses or training for new careers.

“As a major employer in the U.K. for more than a century, we know that closing Bridgend would be difficult for many of our employees,” Rowley said. “We recognise the effects it would have on their families and the communities where they live and, as a responsible employer, we are proposing a plan that would help to ease the impact.”

Ford currently expects to record pre-tax special item charges of about $650 million in relation to the proposed closure of Bridgend. Approximately $400 million of the charges would be paid in cash and are primarily attributable to separation and termination payments for employees. Non-cash charges of approximately $250 million include pension expense and accelerated depreciation and amortization. Most of the pre-tax special item charges would be recorded in 2019, with the cash outflows occurring in 2020, and are part of the $11 billion in EBIT charges with cash-related effects of $7 billion the company expects to take in the redesign of its global business.

Ford’s Bridgend Engine Plant opened in 1977, and today employs around 1,700 employees, including nearly 400 who signed up to a voluntary separation programme earlier this year and will leave between May and December 2019.

Ford is committed to the U.K., where it continues to be the passenger and commercial vehicle sales leader. Even after the proposed closure of Bridgend, Ford will remain a major employer with significant operations in the country.

Ford’s Mobility Innovation Office in London is developing future mobility solutions for Europe, while the Dunton Technical Centre in Essex is home to Ford’s European market- leading commercial vehicle business which is set to play an even more significant role in the future. Ford will continue to produce diesel engines at the Dagenham Engine Plant in east London, and transmissions at the Halewood Getrag Ford Transmissions joint venture on Merseyside.

Ford of Europe’s transformation strategy – Sustainable profitability
The company is working swiftly, with significant progress made, to create a sustainably profitable business in Europe. In addition to today’s announcement of the start of the consultation in Bridgend, key actions underway as part of Ford of Europe’s transformation strategy include:

* Near-term actions to improve profitability and reduce structural costs. Parallel longer- term redesign initiatives include a more targeted vehicle line up within three customer- focused business groups – commercial, passenger and imported vehicles
* Confirming 16 new electrified vehicles for Europe, with eight debuting in 2019.
* Leveraging relationships, including an alliance with Volkswagen AG, to support commercial vehicle growth.
* Voluntary employee separation programmes are expected to reduce in excess of 5,000 jobs in Germany, while more than 500 salaried employees have volunteered for packages in the U.K.
* Consolidating Ford of Britain’s and Ford Credit Europe’s headquarters at the Ford Dunton Technical Centre in Essex, U.K., to create a customer-centric technical hub.
* Optimising the European manufacturing footprint and addressing underperforming markets/vehicles, including:
* Ending C-MAX / Grand C-MAX production in Saarlouis, Germany, in June 2019.
* Shift reductions in Saarlouis and Valencia, Spain.
* Restructuring the Ford Sollers joint venture in Russia to focus on growing its commercial vehicle business; discontinuation of all passenger vehicle production in June 2019, with the closure of two vehicle assembly and one engine plant.
* Production at the Ford Aquitaine Industries transmission plant in Bordeaux, France, ends in August 2019.
 
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Some of the Tory MPs up for the leadership are seriously discussing proroguing (in effect closing) Parliament for the remaining duration of Brexit, presuming we're still on for October. This would stop parliament from having a further say in Brexit.

That can't be allowed to happen, it would be wrong in every way.
 


Worth noting. It’s still such a mess and there is no clear end in site... but, this is the U.K. in the 21stC. A total cluster****.

I'm almost certain Jim will not post about his nonsense tweet being dismissed as nonsense.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...CN1T70TM?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=twitter

For the record. The eu prohibited the British government giving a 30 million loan to British steel because EU completion laws. Whilst just a few days ago gave the ok to the slovakian government to give millions in loans to one of their companies. Eu competition laws only exist for Britain? The eu has done nothing but set out to destroy Britain. We do not need them, we give them money to tell us what we can and cant do, we let them dictate that others can fish in our waters then sell our own fish back to us. Cant wait for the eu to crumble and crumble it will.
 
For the record. The eu prohibited the British government giving a 30 million loan to British steel because EU completion laws. Whilst just a few days ago gave the ok to the slovakian government to give millions in loans to one of their companies. Eu competition laws only exist for Britain?

Case 1: Government bidding to keep industry within Europe, as opposed to Mexico, gets to support it's economy.
Case 2: Government attempting to keep uncompetitive industry going, whilst objecting to measures that would make ALL European steel more competitive, and also failing to invest in energy infrastructure that would make it more competitive in the first place.... doesn't get to support its economy.
 
For the record. The eu prohibited the British government giving a 30 million loan to British steel because EU completion laws. Whilst just a few days ago gave the ok to the slovakian government to give millions in loans to one of their companies. Eu competition laws only exist for Britain? The eu has done nothing but set out to destroy Britain. We do not need them, we give them money to tell us what we can and cant do, we let them dictate that others can fish in our waters then sell our own fish back to us. Cant wait for the eu to crumble and crumble it will.

British Steel gets £100m government loan to pay carbon bill
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48113303
 
The eu prohibited the British government giving a 30 million loan to British steel because EU completion laws.
I don't remember this happening, but the UK government did give British Steel a £100m loan to pay for carbon credits (or risk a £500m EU fine) because the EU suspended the UK's membership of the Emissions Trading Scheme for 2018-2020 even though we would still have been in it after Brexit and until the full withdrawal was agreed.

I mentioned it about two weeks back in this thread.
 
What happens when you empower people who have no actual value




Maybe he's realised that doing well in the European elections actually gives the Brexit party no additional say in Brexit. It's a shame that wasn't made clearer to the people that voted for them.
 
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What happens when you empower people who have no actual value




I wonder what negotiations he’s demanding to be apart of?

Is this news?

Will anything come of it? Doubtful.

If you never knew this letter was sent... Would your day have been different?

I suppose slow news days are a good thing really.
 
Is this news?

Will anything come of it? Doubtful.

If you never knew this letter was sent... Would your day have been different?

I suppose slow news days are a good thing really.
What?

How can anything come of it, the negotiations are over and Europe has dismantled its negotiation team? There is nothing to negotiate.

It further highlights that The Brexit Party operate from some fantasy land, the same fantasy they keep telling their uneducated supporters. It’s similar to Ann’s post success interview, where she also said The Brexit Party wanted to get involved with negotiations that had long finished. It’s a con.
 
What?

How can anything come of it, the negotiations are over and Europe has dismantled its negotiation team? There is nothing to negotiate.
Exactly. This is nothing.

Frustrates me that it apparently warrants a BREAKING NEWS tweet. Isn't even news.

Just more pointless babble for one side to get all vitriolic about.
 
And that affects what? I can't imagine the number of inane requests and pointless letters that pop through that letter box on a daily basis.. We know it's gonna lead nowhere, i'd be surprised if Ms. May was even polite enough to read it.

Brexit Party asks to be involved in Brexit after (meaningless) political victory... What a shocking revelation
 
Peterborough by-election goes to....

... the Labour party. The Brexit Party do not therefore win their first seat in Parliament.

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Did they hide the Brexit Party candidate in "Others" on the voting form again?

I can't help thinking that collectively speaking the electorate may have been slightly biased against electing MPs from parties with no manifesto or executive committee.
 
Boris Johnson will not face prosecution over the vote leave bus and the case has been thrown out of court.



Mr Ball, who's legal challenge was funded by online donations (that he openly admitted he didn't know who or where they came from, oh the irony) has now had his moot point legally mooted :lol:
 
Boris Johnson will not face prosecution over the vote leave bus and the case has been thrown out of court.



Mr Ball, who's legal challenge was funded by online donations (that he openly admitted he didn't know who or where they came from, oh the irony) has now had his moot point legally mooted :lol:

Tempting to call this not news as well.

Literally the least subtle attempt at political assassination I have ever seen. You'd think you wouldn't have trouble making BoJo look bad...
 
The Brexit Party do not therefore win their first seat in Parliament.
And we can probably thank those who voted for UKIP and the other (tiny) Eurosceptic parties (English Democrats and SDP), who between them got more than the 683 votes the Brexit Party lost by.
 
Tempting to call this not news as well.

Literally the least subtle attempt at political assassination I have ever seen. You'd think you wouldn't have trouble making BoJo look bad...

It's significant news seeing as its one of the biggest points remainers have been banging on about for the past 3 years. Was very much relevant news to them when he was summoned to court. But today the case made against that point has been rightly denounced as nonsense as every politician in history would be in the dock otherwise.
 
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It's significant news seeing as its one of the biggest points remainers have been banging on about for the past 3 years. Was very much relevant news to them when he was summoned to court. But today the case made against that point has been rightly denounced as nonsense as every politician in history would be in the dock otherwise.

Most of them should be...
 


The letter is sensational. He wants a WTO brexit, which is of course doing nothing until October and letting it happen by default. However he also wants to negotiate.
 
Either way it still makes me happy to see the two established parties getting a kicking.

The problem with that is ... does the end result leave anybody better off? Trump kicked the GOP by winning the primaries & then kicked the Democrats & won the Presidency - is that actually had positive consequences? Farage & his boys have crippled the Tories & destroyed the existing economic status quo, will that actually have positive consequences?
 
The problem with that is ... does the end result leave anybody better off? Trump kicked the GOP by winning the primaries & then kicked the Democrats & won the Presidency - is that actually had positive consequences? Farage & his boys have crippled the Tories & destroyed the existing economic status quo, will that actually have positive consequences?

To me, this entire Brexit situation has not just exposed, but paraded how weak and unfit for purpose the system is, just how inept, self-serving and arrogant our politicians are, and just how stupid, naive, and easy to manipulate a lot of the population is. Farage continuing to line his own nest using the politics of fear, hate and greed probably won't do enough to change all that, but who knows... if it does all go wrong, it may be a catalyst for real change.

... failing that.. Plan B...

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The eu has done nothing but set out to destroy Britain. We do not need them, we give them money to tell us what we can and cant do, we let them dictate that others can fish in our waters then sell our own fish back to us. Cant wait for the eu to crumble and crumble it will.

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