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- BasedAckbar
Well my wishes were granted, don't need GT5 now.
Bugatti thread.
- Thread starter TorqueHappenS08
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well done them
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- JDA1982
Any car can be used as a daily driver, practicality varies but you can use an Ariel Atom (tube frame with wheels and an engine) as a daily driver and some people do. To say the Veyron isn't impressive because other cars can go fast and be used daily is missing the point. Because the point of the Veyron is that it goes as fast as it does and it provides superior levels of comfort, luxury and presitge. At 250mph the Veyron is as smooth as a Bentley at 50, the Callaway is not. It's loud, vibrating like mad and skittish, now some people want that, fair enough but some prefer the comfort and the presige that owning a car like the Veyron provides. It's not everyones cup of tea but as a feat of engineerinng the Veyron is right up there. The reliability, the comfort, the power, speed, prestige, it has it all and not just to some degree, to a very high if not even benchmark setting degree. The Callaway doesn't.
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Im happy "PD" has gotten the chance to put the Veyron on the game so we can put it through its paces,Especially Now that ferrari,Lamborghini are also in it,I just hope that "PD" hasnt forgotten about the other BAD A$$ supercars like the Ultimate Aero SSC,Mosler MT900,Ultima GTR,McLaren F1 street car, Koniggsegg CCX GT(hope i spelled it right) etc... Then you would really be able to even out the playing field!!! epsecailly on the NURBURGRING and La SARTHE tracks
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- Murica
- BasedAckbar
Any car can be used as a daily driver, practicality varies but you can use an Ariel Atom (tube frame with wheels and an engine) as a daily driver and some people do. To say the Veyron isn't impressive because other cars can go fast and be used daily is missing the point. Because the point of the Veyron is that it goes as fast as it does and it provides superior levels of comfort, luxury and presitge. At 250mph the Veyron is as smooth as a Bentley at 50, the Callaway is not. It's loud, vibrating like mad and skittish, now some people want that, fair enough but some prefer the comfort and the presige that owning a car like the Veyron provides. It's not everyones cup of tea but as a feat of engineerinng the Veyron is right up there. The reliability, the comfort, the power, speed, prestige, it has it all and not just to some degree, to a very high if not even benchmark setting degree. The Callaway doesn't.[/QUOTE]
I'm not dogging on the Veyron, I agree it is an engineering masterpiece, and agree the Callaway is as comfortable as a pull along wagon on dirt at 250mph. I was just saying that the Callaway has enough amenities to make it bearable everyday. The Veyron goes way beyond that and gives foot massage comfort to the driver.
I give up.
I'm not dogging on the Veyron, I agree it is an engineering masterpiece, and agree the Callaway is as comfortable as a pull along wagon on dirt at 250mph. I was just saying that the Callaway has enough amenities to make it bearable everyday. The Veyron goes way beyond that and gives foot massage comfort to the driver.
I give up.
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- Murica
- BasedAckbar
^Real men drive pink Veyrons with T-Pain hats.
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I admire the veyron for its engineering, but i also detest it for its focus on top speed. Its already a cliche, but then cliches are often true. Its just faaaaaaaarr...faaaaaaar too heavy. Remember the top gear drag race? even in a straight line, its not actually as fast as it seems versus other hypercars. Beating out a mclaren F1 over an entire mile by a mere fraction of a second- what if it were the F1 LM, or the GT? the gap would be even smaller, or the mclaren would have won.
In short its deserving of its hypercar status, but i suspect that many many other hypercars are faster around a track and less compromised by weight. i dont hold it in such high regard as others for this reason.
In short its deserving of its hypercar status, but i suspect that many many other hypercars are faster around a track and less compromised by weight. i dont hold it in such high regard as others for this reason.
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- Murica
- BasedAckbar
@Leonidae
Real men would add to the joke instead of killing it.
Real men would add to the joke instead of killing it.
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- Murica
- BasedAckbar
Unfortunately it is, btw I'm going on 20, and taken out loans for school
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I wonder who came up with the term "internets" btw.
.I wonder who came up with the term "internets" btw.
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- JDA1982
People don't read these days, I swear they don't. We're just going round and round in circles. Before you comment on the Veyron's track ability, Ring time and/or Veyron v F1 drag race on TopGear please read the last few pages of this thread. It won't take hours but it covers it and negates the need for people to constantly be answering the same questions and points over and over again. It's boring, and annoying.
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People read and people still have their own opinion. So the bugatti bogged down, or it was too hot, or whatever. Boo hoo. There are also reasons like how the mclaren doesnt rely on turbochargers. I dont want to hear a bunch of excuses for the bugatti be it on drag races or lap times. I wanna see results. Nothing has really pointed to the bugatti being this massively faster track machine than a mclaren, or massively faster in a straight line in the real world either all the time. I dont want to hear but but but if it wasnt as hot. Yeah. But it was, it was the real world and its that simple!!! lol.
In the real world aerodynamics are still much a black art. Im sure the bugatti doesnt handle like a truck. but im also sure it doesnt handle like an atom 500, or a caparo, or a mclaren F1 because of its mass. In other words, its a heavy car whichever way you look at or argue it.
Its no coincidence that the ring production car lap record by miles is held by a track special that couldnt be used as a paperweight - or the fastest racing formulas emphasise power to weight and minimise mass. My opinion is that even though the veyron is a very special car and no doubt handles very well, it is still very heavy. That weight will always be part of the compromise for the sheer power and drivetrain bugatti settled on.
In the real world aerodynamics are still much a black art. Im sure the bugatti doesnt handle like a truck. but im also sure it doesnt handle like an atom 500, or a caparo, or a mclaren F1 because of its mass. In other words, its a heavy car whichever way you look at or argue it.
Its no coincidence that the ring production car lap record by miles is held by a track special that couldnt be used as a paperweight - or the fastest racing formulas emphasise power to weight and minimise mass. My opinion is that even though the veyron is a very special car and no doubt handles very well, it is still very heavy. That weight will always be part of the compromise for the sheer power and drivetrain bugatti settled on.
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For the record the Veyron has caned a Saleen S7 TT in a drag race, it anhialted a Pagani Zonda F and in other tests it has obliterated the F1's times. It also beat the Ferrari Enzo on the only recorded competetive lap that I have seen and I've looked. If you bog downa powerful 4wd car at launch you really do hamper the early acceleration, personally I think TopGear did it on purpose to dramatise the race. They do it all the time. You can't take that race as gospel, the only tests they do properly are the ones they backup with numbers like the power laps. The rest is just entertainment. The Veyron really is as fast as it is made out to be. If you line he Veyron and McLaren F1 up and let the McLaren go first giving it a headstart until it reached 100mph then the Veyron went, it be in with a shout of reaching 200mph before the F1. That is not a close race.
I don't dissagree that it more than probably doesn't handle as well as an Atom, but I also think that it is a much faster car than the F1 despite it's weight. Probably faster on a track too but that's just my opinion.
I don't dissagree that it more than probably doesn't handle as well as an Atom, but I also think that it is a much faster car than the F1 despite it's weight. Probably faster on a track too but that's just my opinion.
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There are many tracks to test on. as with race cars, one track will suit one car, another track will suit the other. Whereas would one be definitively faster, most of the time? I dont believe so. I dont believe what the bugatti has accomplished through engineering in 2005 is as impressive as what the mclaren accomplished in engineering in 1992. I dont believe the gap in performance from the mclaren to other supercars in 1992 is replicated in the overall gap between the veyron and other modern hypercars. i dont believe the veyron could be entered against purpose built race cars and beat the pants off them- like the mclaren did.
The top gear drag test isnt something i would dwell on or rely on as its not a true test and no doubt dramatized. Merely i see it as a testament not to the bugatti, but the enduring legacy of the mclaren F1. it simply wont go away, despite there being so many other hypercars since. Why test against the mclaren? why not a koeniggsegg, or a CLK GTR, or a 911 GT1 etc etc. Because the mclaren has the reputation as the most iconic supercar from a golden era, the fastest production car in the world for thirteen years, nothing threatened it. The veyron lasted two. More than 15 years on, its still the mclaren facing it down thanks to its reputation. In 15 years, will the bugatti be held in such esteem as that? Personally i think not.
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- Murica
- BasedAckbar
Sorry to interrupt the argument, but that's what I hope a Veyron would look like in GT5 after plowing it.
Imagine the insurance claim on that!
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Sorry to interrupt the argument, but that's what I hope a Veyron would look like in GT5 after plowing it.
Imagine the insurance claim on that!
That looks an awful lot like the accident in the uk where a guy had borrowed his brothers week old veyron and ploughed it into a vauxhall astra!!! i also believe the driver got a few points on his licence, and a 400 pound fine for careless driving. I guess 400 pounds would buy you maybe a new wheelnut or something lol
EDIT: enjoy lol http://www.caradvice.com.au/1747/bugatti-veyron-crash/
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I'd be so pissed...my brother would better leave the island if he did that.
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I would've sold him to cover the insurance repairs
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- KR_Viper
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I second this notion, Grey Fox.
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- Murica
- BasedAckbar
Solid Snake gives his backing Gray Fox.
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- mc959
check Wikipedia for ring laptimes, you'll see it needed 7m40
i'm ok that this car is a 6 star hotel on wheels and it can go above 253 mph or 400+kmh, but we are not talking about driving it home,
but using it in a driving game that uses tracks to race, and here's where i think it won't be so special as everybody thinks.
And yes i didn't read the whole tread, sorry for that...
But i propose to all Veyron lovers too arrange a race on El Capitan
i will use a Ruf CTR3 or Carrera GT if available, and we talk again after the race...=)
but lets first wait for GT5 : (
i'm ok that this car is a 6 star hotel on wheels and it can go above 253 mph or 400+kmh, but we are not talking about driving it home,
but using it in a driving game that uses tracks to race, and here's where i think it won't be so special as everybody thinks.
And yes i didn't read the whole tread, sorry for that...
But i propose to all Veyron lovers too arrange a race on El Capitan
i will use a Ruf CTR3 or Carrera GT if available, and we talk again after the race...=)
but lets first wait for GT5 : (
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- JDA1982
Yes, it did lap the Ring in 7.40 but that wasn't a hot lap and that is the key. Bugatti didn't time the lap either, a bystander did. Bugatti were there testing the cars cooling, not performance. This has all been covered, the only recorded hot lap is the one shown on TopGear and it showed that it's up there with the raw performance supercars. Not the fastest on that track but it's a very fast track car by anyones standards. I would expect a track like the Ring would play into it's hands a bit and should one ever actually do a fast lap there in one and have it timed I think you'd shave plenty off that 7'40 time.
VULCANPROJECT i couldn't have said better myself !!!, It like comparing .22 rifle to M1A1 Abrams tank with fire and forget technology to shoot a apple off of a stick,they both can get the job done but one needs more help lol !!! Basically what im tryin to say is IF "PD" Can get these all these hyper/super cars in the game we don't have to argue in here about it we can get online and see what they really got...
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@ Dave A
Well i really don't think that car could go much faster(maybe 5 a 10sec)
Like a said let's arrange a race and we'll see.
The only problem will be if the Veyron lovers lose, that they will think that the car was'nt made properly in the game cause they can't beat other supercars. But i stop putting oil on the fire.
In a little while we will find out ourself...
Well i really don't think that car could go much faster(maybe 5 a 10sec)
Like a said let's arrange a race and we'll see.
The only problem will be if the Veyron lovers lose, that they will think that the car was'nt made properly in the game cause they can't beat other supercars. But i stop putting oil on the fire.
In a little while we will find out ourself...
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No if the Veyron loses it loses, thatdoesn't make it less of an achievment tough becuase at the time it came out it was and still is anamazingly capable track car as well as offering a level of high luxury and reliability and being stupidly quick in a straight line.
The key to GT5's representation will be the TopGear track since both will be in the game. Even then, the TopGear hot lap was supposedly done after Stiggy plouighed off the road damaging the skirt on one side of the car. I don't know if that's true but you can see a damaged skirt on the recorded lap. I don't think the Veyron will have much trouble beating the McLaren F1 on a track whel a lot of top supercars these days can, like the Enzo. But the Veyron is up there with the current crop of top supercars on a track, not THE fastest, but it's up there.
At the end oftheday which is that fraction quicker won't matter to thoes who have a clear preference for one or the other, they will pick thier regardless. I like both, tbh I'm sure I'll enojy driving an F1 road car more in a racing game, but in real life I'd take the Veyron but that's just me.
Fanboys will keep arguing about these matters till thier blue in the face, but as it stands there is only one competetive lap and that puts the Veyron pretty high up in terms of track performance. It's not definitive as each track is different, but the TopGear track is all we have to go on.
I do think 10-15 seconds at the ring is easilly possible between a hot lap and a fast lap though. When there's people lapping TopGears sub 2 min track with 10 second differences in time depending on how good they are, a 10-15 second difference on a 7 min+ trackis nothing if you compare a lap where you're just driving fast and a lap where you're trying to drive at the limit.
The key to GT5's representation will be the TopGear track since both will be in the game. Even then, the TopGear hot lap was supposedly done after Stiggy plouighed off the road damaging the skirt on one side of the car. I don't know if that's true but you can see a damaged skirt on the recorded lap. I don't think the Veyron will have much trouble beating the McLaren F1 on a track whel a lot of top supercars these days can, like the Enzo. But the Veyron is up there with the current crop of top supercars on a track, not THE fastest, but it's up there.
At the end oftheday which is that fraction quicker won't matter to thoes who have a clear preference for one or the other, they will pick thier regardless. I like both, tbh I'm sure I'll enojy driving an F1 road car more in a racing game, but in real life I'd take the Veyron but that's just me.
Fanboys will keep arguing about these matters till thier blue in the face, but as it stands there is only one competetive lap and that puts the Veyron pretty high up in terms of track performance. It's not definitive as each track is different, but the TopGear track is all we have to go on.
I do think 10-15 seconds at the ring is easilly possible between a hot lap and a fast lap though. When there's people lapping TopGears sub 2 min track with 10 second differences in time depending on how good they are, a 10-15 second difference on a 7 min+ trackis nothing if you compare a lap where you're just driving fast and a lap where you're trying to drive at the limit.
