Bugatti thread.

[dancardesigner]

I wouldn't really compare a GTR to a Veyron, there not in the same class at all. The GTR is merely a successor to the Skyline, and that wasn't considered a supercar.

Interesting video to watch, not much racing footage but interesting conversation about 3mins in.

 

[sumbrownkid]

^I used to live off that street where they hold that supercar meet.

 

[Slurm]

well what do you expect from a thousand HP?

The veyron is built for straight line speed. In track it will get creamed by superior cars. heck the GTR is not that far off from veyron in the top gear speed laps. And that's only 480hp

yeah, and it happens to be faster than virtually every roadlegal car around that track, too. MC12, Zonda F, LP670 SV, Enzo, Scud. It's faster than them all.

I'm not even a great fan of the Veyron - I will be spending most of my time in much simpler cars, but anyone who claims to "know" that the veyron won't work on the track is just spouting poo.

Judging by what people who have actually driven it have said, and the actual facts of tests (both TG laptime and acceleration), I reckon that it'll be devastatingly consistent and fast around any track.

 

[Terronium-12]

I wouldn't really compare a GTR to a Veyron, there not in the same class at all. The GTR is merely a successor to the Skyline, and that wasn't considered a supercar.

Interesting video to watch, not much racing footage but interesting conversation about 3mins in.

You know, I can kind of understand where people are coming from now that I've seen yet another video about the Ultimate Aero - It does absolutely nothing for me. It's unimpressive, it's got a bit too much power at the rear wheels (if you don't modulate the throttle, you'll be spinning through the first three gears from what I've seen). I don't find the lack of ABS on a car that has 1183 hp on tap exciting at all.

I suppose that makes me something of a hypocrite I suppose.

There's just more than a few things that just don't sit right with me when looking at it, but if it's in GT5 I'll sure as hell play with it.

 

[Peter]

We're going out of the circle again, right after daan just posted that this thread is going off topic. The Veyron is a good supercar, and it's faster than most others, moving on.

 

[Terronium-12]

We're going out of the circle again, right after daan just posted that this thread is going off topic. The Veyron is a good supercar, and it's faster than most others, moving on.

What else is there to say? The only Bugatti that's in GT right now is the Veyron and that's the Mobile counterpart. While it's safe to assume it will be in GT5 it's the only Bugatti we know of at the moment, anything just becomes a wishlist, more or less.

Have a thread full of everyone agreeing and talking about what they haven't played with, yet? Someone was bound to disagree and take the conversation in a new direction and that's the nature of a conversation, a good one anyway.

 

[Rand al Thor]

yeah, and it happens to be faster than virtually every roadlegal car around that track, too. MC12, Zonda F, LP670 SV, Enzo, Scud. It's faster than them all.

I'm not even a great fan of the Veyron - I will be spending most of my time in much simpler cars, but anyone who claims to "know" that the veyron won't work on the track is just spouting poo.

Judging by what people who have actually driven it have said, and the actual facts of tests (both TG laptime and acceleration), I reckon that it'll be devastatingly consistent and fast around any track.

no one disagrees with that. Its just when it comes to cornering the veyron is behind other cars. I am sure the stig agrees with me

 

[Peter]

I just learned something about the Veyron. The engine produces 2000hp, but the missing 999hp is produced as heat. Wow, that's alot of heat, there's no reason not to have 10 radiators.

 

[McLaren]

How is the Veyron behind in the corners when Real_Tron just pointed out all the cars that have been beaten by the Veyron when driven by the Stig?

 

[dancardesigner]

What else is there to say? The only Bugatti that's in GT right now is the Veyron and that's the Mobile counterpart. While it's safe to assume it will be in GT5 it's the only Bugatti we know of at the moment, anything just becomes a wishlist, more or less.

Have a thread full of everyone agreeing and talking about what they haven't played with, yet? Someone was bound to disagree and take the conversation in a new direction and that's the nature of a conversation, a good one anyway.

+1:tup: was gonna imply the same thing. Topics never really get completly resolved on forums anyways, theres always going to be some desagreement somewhere, keeping the thread going on endlessly getting nowhere. The main purpose of a forum is discussion and exchange of thoughts/information. Really i think at least we are talking about something valid and something that has a purpose to been discussed. I mean we have been told Bugatti is in GT, YIPPY YAY, what else is there to say that has not already been mentioned, if you ask me this thread has been pretty well kept in line. I mean look at the Forza thread, that's all over the place, not that i neccesarily think that's a bad thing though, if someone has something further to discuss on the main topic then all they need to do is post a question or make a comment that will prevoke feedback, otherwise all these other posts saying the topic is going off course, is pointless.
I agree that if the main topic or course of conversation has been interupted then yes, the thread should be brought back in line, but if the general jist of the conversation has branched off and people are happily conversing, why bring out the hammer? The only other way would be to start a new thread, then we would get flamed for ''making pointless threads'', or ''we have a thread related to this already'', you can't win around here it seems

 

[Peter]

How is the Veyron behind in the corners when Real_Tron just pointed out all the cars that have been beaten by the Veyron when driven by the Stig?

The TGTT has enough straight for the bug to get the advantage over the others.

 

[Terronium-12]

The TGTT has enough straight for the bug to get the advantage over the others.

That's somewhat irrelevant as it's a power track, if it weren't I'm pretty certain it'd be at the top of the board. This would explain the Zonda F and the likes above posting faster times due to the lack of understeer. I assume on the latter.

In fact, I'm almost sure it'd be there anyway but that's for different reasons.

 

[Slurm]

To be honest, I have to agree that the Veyron is probably quite unsuitable for racing. Not because it lacks pace, but because it is likely to be very inefficient. ie. It burns fuel extremely fast and puts insane amounts of load on it's tires.

Bugatti have made a two-tonne car that is as fast as an f1 car in a straight line, and sticks very hard when turning, but shifting 2 tonnes of metal around a track about 1 second faster than a 1.2 tonne car doesn't happen by magic. At the ends of the equation, you have two constants - petrol and rubber.

 

[Patrocles]

so is it in? yes, as my giant rolling 8 ball tells me...
and confussious say, Grand 16.4 twin turbo(cough cough QUAD TURBO) around the nurburgring is in your future... But enough with that.
So since it's basically in, What are your impressions on This being Bugatti's first appearance in the gt series. Do you like bugatti's? what will you do, Do you think this will change peoples minds about Granturismo series being stagnant? Will you pull a james may at the oval test track?



I for one say, that is is ground braking, It seem's the days of driving small tiny Japanese econo boxes has come to an end...Only to be replaced by big fire breathing beer throughing drunks... Which is a good thing, and a bit of a bad thing. I mean...it was nice turning a Japanese econo(daihaitsu MOVE) into a budget super car killer... But it seems thoughs days have gone.

So what do you think about this?

The veyron is a cool car. Probably not good for "swapping paint" in races, but it would be interesting to drive the veyron around some of the tracks.
👍

 

[WolfRacer543]

^All those radiators actually ensure the engine's reliability. If it didn't have those, I'm sure the turbos would've blown up the engine.

Yes but my point is that a car that REQUIRES that many radiators I dont see as actually being reliable. It might be reliable driving around slowly, or for a drag or a couple of laps, but over a real race which might be a couple of hours, a car that REQUIRES radiators for anything and everything (2 radiators just for air conditioning? And 1 for cooling basically every fluid, even the hydrolic spoiler?) doesn't sound reliable to me. Complexity does not equal reliability.

 

[sumbrownkid]

^I see your point, but having all of these things are there to ensure reliability at 250 as well as 25 mph. What other car has four turbos forcing air constantly at a high pressure? All those radiators are there to make sure the engine doesn't go melt itself quickly, and I'm sure that the engineers in Germany knew it needed these things in order for the motor to survive for some time before maintenance. And besides, I don't think the people that buy these have reliability as an issue when they buy a 2 million dollar vehicle.

 

[3Axis]

...engine doesn't go melt itself quickly...

Does the Veyron compete in any motorsport at all?

 

[McLaren]

The TGTT has enough straight for the bug to get the advantage over the others.

That's kind of irrelevant, esp. after Rand just said the Stig would agree with them, even though the Stig is the exact source that says otherwise....

 

[jacksmith]

Yes but my point is that a car that REQUIRES that many radiators I dont see as actually being reliable. It might be reliable driving around slowly, or for a drag or a couple of laps, but over a real race which might be a couple of hours, a car that REQUIRES radiators for anything and everything (2 radiators just for air conditioning? And 1 for cooling basically every fluid, even the hydrolic spoiler?) doesn't sound reliable to me. Complexity does not equal reliability.

^I see your point, but having all of these things are there to ensure reliability at 250 as well as 25 mph. What other car has four turbos forcing air constantly at a high pressure? All those radiators are there to make sure the engine doesn't go melt itself quickly, and I'm sure that the engineers in Germany knew it needed these things in order for the motor to survive for some time before maintenance. And besides, I don't think the people that buy these have reliability as an issue when they buy a 2 million dollar vehicle.

Does the Veyron compete in any motorsport at all?

That's kind of irrelevant, esp. after Rand just said the Stig would agree with them, even though the Stig is the exact source that says otherwise....

Since the Bugatti is in a game and GT is not famous for engine failures,tyre blow ups,backfires and other mechanical failures(which is for sure is a joke and shame on GT)we don't need to worry about its reliability thanks again to GT's stupid real driving simulator tag.In GT you can drive a suzuki cappuccino
for a week without stopping and it would be fine,so folks dont worry about the 16 cylinders,4 turbos,radiators and other things on the veyron,its not going to fall apart just like the cadillac cien(16 cylinders also) in GT4,real life consequences do not apply in the fake world of GT.

 

[McLaren]

Since the Bugatti is in a game and GT is not famous for engine failures,tyre blow ups,backfires and other mechanical failures(which is for sure is a joke and shame on GT)we don't need to worry about its reliability thanks again to GT's stupid real driving simulator tag.In GT you can drive a suzuki cappuccino
for a week without stopping and it would be fine,so folks dont worry about the 16 cylinders,4 turbos,radiators and other things on the veyron,its not going to fall apart just like the cadillac cien(16 cylinders also) in GT4,real life consequences do not apply in the fake world of GT.

All of this of which, my post had nothing to do with.

 

[dancardesigner]

Since the Bugatti is in a game and GT is not famous for engine failures,tyre blow ups,backfires and other mechanical failures(which is for sure is a joke and shame on GT)we don't need to worry about its reliability thanks again to GT's stupid real driving simulator tag.In GT you can drive a suzuki cappuccino
for a week without stopping and it would be fine,so folks dont worry about the 16 cylinders,4 turbos,radiators and other things on the veyron,its not going to fall apart just like the cadillac cien(16 cylinders also) in GT4,real life consequences do not apply in the fake world of GT.

What a 🤬

 

[Terronium-12]

just like the cadillac cien (16 cylinders also) in GT4,real life consequences do not apply in the fake world of GT.

Uhm. Were you born yesterday or something? The Cien has a V12, a 7.5L Northstar, to be exact.

As someone pointed out above me (a wise one indeed). Tosser.

 

[dancardesigner]

Uhm. Were you born yesterday or something? The Cien has a V12, a 7.5L Northstar, to be exact.

As someone pointed out above me (a wise one indeed). Tosser.

He probably was thinking of the Caddy V-16, which isn't even in GT4

 

[Jay]

He is getting confused with the Cadillac Sixteen concept.

I would drop the name calling too if you don't want a slap on the wrist.

 

[dancardesigner]

He is getting confused with the Cadillac Sixteen concept.

Didn't think it was a swear word.

Anyway this guy has started 10 threads, yet only made 29 posts, that doesn't really work, if you ask me he's a troll

 

[Terronium-12]

He is getting confused with the Cadillac Sixteen concept

Or something of the kind. Maybe there were something wrong with my eyes, but I swear GT4 had back-firing.

I don't know, I mean, I do wear glasses.

 

[Jay]

Didn't think it was a swear word.

Doesn't need to be a swear word

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I am quite sure calling someone a tosser for posting his thoughts breaks this rule.

 

[dancardesigner]

Let's just restate his post, just in case you can't see the flamebait

Since the Bugatti is in a game and GT is not famous for engine failures,tyre blow ups,backfires and other mechanical failures(which is for sure is a joke and shame on GT)we don't need to worry about its reliability thanks again to GT's stupid real driving simulator tag.In GT you can drive a suzuki cappuccino
for a week without stopping and it would be fine,so folks dont worry about the 16 cylinders,4 turbos,radiators and other things on the veyron,its not going to fall apart just like the cadillac cien(16 cylinders also) in GT4,real life consequences do not apply in the fake world of GT.

 

[Peter]

I would drop the name calling too if you don't want a slap on the wrist.

Or this:

 

[dancardesigner]